: An update on Quadzilla
hdmax 08-03-2004, 11:28 AM I e-mailed Quad, and this is what he sent to me.
Mike,
Somehow I missed your message. I am actually out of town as we speak, but I will be back tomorrow. If you need to contact me use quad@quadzillapower.com.
Right now for the LB7 we have a speed de-limiter, tire size, higher revs fix for the 2001 trucks that is being finished as we speak. We have beta units on trucks and plan to fully release this fix in the next 10days. This is a free upgrade to all existing Tuner owners that have a 2001. This is a separate fix for 2001 and can't be used with 2002-2004 although we are working on the tuner being able to recognize the difference so it does not take a special tuner. This should make some people happy over at the DP.
We also have a tuner for both LB7 and LLY that works as a speed limiter remover, tire size, read and erase DTC, reset Allison, and raise revs in steps (this is still being tested to see how high we will go). This is being sold for $269 right now. Hopefully very soon the same unit will do both LLY and Lb7 without specifying. Right now they are separate. Also when we are comfortable we will offer this for 2001 trucks.
We are almost done with testing on rev 1.0.3 for the LB7. This is strictly a software change and the hardware version of 1.20 and 1.21 are still good. These are new tunes from 50hp all the way to the 215hp program. We had some slight issues with the last revision and these tunes should fix them. These include over boost codes, and MAF codes. Basically the trucks were making too much boost with too little pedal effort. The new tunes have a slightly softer pedal and it is easier to be steady with.
We also made our best efforts to loose as much smoke as possible, similar to the original tunes. At the 90hp level you start to get a puff on the new tunes under hard acceleration.
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Michigana_Joe 08-03-2004, 11:51 AM Excellent info -- thanks for posting it. Definitely sounds like Quad is addressing the issues that Quadzilla customers care about most -- hopefully they will be released soon!
ratlover 08-03-2004, 12:09 PM Has anyone done any verification to see if the quadzilla tuner does reset all of the TAP cells for the allison? I know its a claimed feature but there was some talk as to weather it actually cleared them all or not? Has anyone used the quad to clear the TAPs and then took a look with a tech2 or the like to see if it did set everything back to fast learn???
Scotty Seelen 08-03-2004, 01:41 PM That's exactly what I'm looking for on my 2001. Hope he comes through.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif
hdmax 08-03-2004, 01:59 PM I have cleared 3 tranny code with the Stealth, I do not remember the numbers. I first tried it with the Predator, then remembered the Stealth made a claim of being able to do so, so after the Predator failed to do anything. I went to the Stealth, And it cleared them all without a glitch. I verified this by running the Predator once more, and this time it could not see them, where as before it seen them but could not clear.
I know that the transmission was in limp home mode, and that when I checked with both the Predator, and the Stealth, there were 3 different 700 series codes.
Hope this helps!
hdmax 08-03-2004, 02:01 PM I liked this part, even if it isn't accuratehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif
"Oh yeah and it will still run off and leave the Juice."
ratlover 08-03-2004, 02:05 PM I dont mean clearing codes. I mean the TAP cells, the values the allison learns and then uses it to figure out how to shift. I'm curious if the stealth can put all of the allison parameters back to a fast learn???(that a good description guys?)
Clearing codes and reading em is cool and very nice but I'm really interested in seting the trans to a fast learn for all of its values.
Amric 08-03-2004, 08:09 PM I can't wait until I can upgrade my Quad for one that I can stack safely with the VA200+. Unitl then, the DTC codes, tire size, and speed limiter are useful, but not worth the price I paid for the 215hp. I was very happy with the power, and look forward to trying it again.
Mackin 08-03-2004, 08:52 PM I liked this part, even if it isn't accuratehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif
"Oh yeah and it will still run off and leave the Juice."
I'm not so sure about that, I've seen Juice boxes out dyno a 215.
Mac http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif
Edited by: Mackin
sdaver 08-03-2004, 10:15 PM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/795_12_4_54.gifsame story different messengerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
tbone1227 08-04-2004, 12:58 AM raising the revs ? is there a tuner out there that you can program to have the shifting points change in regards to rpm levels, i know on some gasser programs you can program it to shift at a later point (more rpm's) - anything like that out for our trucks ?
GMC-2002-Dmax 08-04-2004, 01:57 AM I can't wait until I can upgrade my Quad for one that I can stack safely with the VA200+. Unitl then, the DTC codes, tire size, and speed limiter are useful, but not worth the price I paid for the 215hp. I was very happy with the power, and look forward to trying it again.
I have the v1.19 or v1.20 Quad 215 tuner and I also have the Kennedy VA 200+++.
The current Quad tunes I have are 110/135/215 and a special 225 test tune.
The 215 tune was not as smooth and quiet as the Kennedy VA 200++, nor from my most recent dyno time in June nearly as strong. The 225 tune has a severe cold lope idle, and was surgy and had a noticable timing rattle.
In my opinion, it lacks the big VA in drivability, HP and TQ.........
As hdmax has posted Quad has supposedly revised the tunes to address some of these problems,
SNIPPED from hdmax :
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"As always the updates are free and should be ready very quickly."
I would send mine in for an update, but I don't think it's upgradeable.
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Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax
gmccall 08-04-2004, 11:49 AM Aw..... something I can comment on from experience.
My late model Attitude (145hp) has much nicer driving manners than my Quad 215hp box. No comparison.
Quad rattles a little, surges sometimes and has a lopey cold mode idle. As for power, Quad wins
With Attitude I ran an 8.8 at 78mph in the 1/8th mile. Quad gave me an 8.55 at 80mph Which do I run around with ? Quad of course set on kill I'm hoplesshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif
carterkraft 08-04-2004, 01:51 PM I dont mean clearing codes. I mean the TAP cells, the values the allison learns and then uses it to figure out how to shift. I'm curious if the stealth can put all of the allison parameters back to a fast learn???(that a good description guys?)
Clearing codes and reading em is cool and very nice but I'm really interested in seting the trans to a fast learn for all of its values.
Quad has a Tech2 so I don't know why it wouldn't do as promised?
ratlover 08-04-2004, 01:55 PM rattle, surges, cold lopey idle, much worse driving characteristics, but you still run the quad because it makes more powerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
I love it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif
experience with taps anybody???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
ratlover 08-04-2004, 02:00 PM I dont know either? Just wondering if anyone has verified that after having the quad set the trany to fast learn or what ever it is stated that it does(its awways kinda been vague from the descriptions) if all the allisons deals are set to fast? There were some that were unsure of its ability, also some have said that when using(and I cant remember what scanner, maybe a tech 2?) a particular scanner when you tell it to clear em all if you look at each value individualy some will be clear and some wont, you need to zap em individualy. Just curious and looking for verification. No offense, I have bought alot of products that dont work as advertised. Quad looks tasty as another toy if it will do all that is stated.
gmccall 08-04-2004, 02:39 PM I set an overboost code several months ago and Quad box cleared the code as advertised. A very quick funtion.
As for as the tranny programming, each time you install the Quad box it will ask you if you want to reset..(which Quad tells me it is for resetting the tranny program, for those with tranny upgrades. I learned this from Quad after calling him. I was changing power levels for a while and testing with the Quad box and kept resetting my tranny unknowingly after it would learn to shift. That function works as the tranny would learn to shift, then I would reinstal the box to change power levels and unknowingly tell the Quad box to RESET my tranny which causes it to relearn. Tranny Shifts like crap every time I activated this function untill it relearned.
Quad also said if the tranny has learned bad shifting habits from changing power levels to much you can use the Reset function.
The bottom line in my case was to stop changing power levels. Tranny is working great.
Diesel Tech 08-04-2004, 03:26 PM I think we need to clear up a few things. On a 2001 model year you can clear TAP cells which by it self will put the software in to fast learn mode. In 2002 - 2004 you can clear TAP cells which also puts the software into fast learn mode, But, you can also enter the software in to fast learn with a special command that you will learn the transmission while the truck sits still. So you must describe these as two different functions because they are completely different. The second function is not available for 2001. Now whether or not the Quad box can do any of these functions I don't know.
ratlover 08-04-2004, 03:44 PM But a snapon scanner with an 01 cartrage will do both to an 03 chevy right? Snapon man has a used set up and I'm taking a look at it today.
If I can get it for the right price and it will do all I could need then no need for the quad(well short of power but I dont believe he is top dog witch is what I am after).
Those HD bozos off your back yet were they will let you crank out parts for us yet? I need more powerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif
EDIT: SNAPON SCANNER BOUGHThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif any one wana meet up with a quad and we can put this dude to rest? new cartrages are out so the 01 cartigaes are going for pennies on the dollarhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif
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JJs DuMax 08-04-2004, 03:58 PM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Question.gif I'm looking for a good tow/tune package that is handheld, hopefully something that can be used from inside the cab. Not planning on exhaust or tranny upgrades, just want to put more hp/tq for towing. The better half will be driving solo with a heavy 5ver behind her and isn't going to know how to remove anything from under the hood should the need arise to go to the stealership for warranty work. Is the quadzilla tow unit a hand held unit? If not are there others? The attitude/juice gets great reviews but requires popping the hood and pulling wires which will freak http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Mama J out. Suggestions? JJ
Scotty Seelen 08-04-2004, 04:06 PM Between the Bullydog Powerpup and the Hypertech, the latter is the easiest to use, with a person just answering "Y" to going back to stock. I've never worked with the Quad, but it can't get any easier than the "Hyper". They're all handheld units that plug in under the dash.....
JJs DuMax 08-04-2004, 04:45 PM Thanks. I've contacted Hyptertech to get the new part number since none of their distributors in Jville seem to know it. Several of them stated the products never come out when they say they will. From what I have read it looks like something I can work with. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif JJ
ratlover 08-04-2004, 04:51 PM Juice is very easy to take off and you cant screw it up. And with the built in protection of the juice you can set the EGT back down to what ever temp you want and not have to worry about anybody cooking anything. There are some other under the hood plug in types that also have protection features as well. And if you run a low tune(on just about any brand tuner or plug in moduel) you shouldnt have to worry about anybody looking at the guage or cooking something. No hand held tuner that i know of offers any kind of trany backdown protection or egt back down protection.
Might go with a regular juice as apposed to the attitude or tuner because it can kinda be a PITA to figure out how set the power levels on the regular juice.....and once she figures out how to load the big daddy program into it, witch is pretty easy with a attitude or a quad tuner(or the like), look out! http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
JJs DuMax 08-05-2004, 09:52 AM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gifProbably my best bet is to find a local shop that sells these types of items and see for myself. I'm always leary of fooling around with the PCM since soooo much is controlled by those darn things. I do like the sound of the juice/attitude so all the vitals can be monitored. Anyone know of any shops in Jacksonville, FL that are reputable to deal with?
carterkraft 08-05-2004, 02:38 PM Between the Bullydog Powerpup and the Hypertech, the latter is the easiest to use, with a person just answering "Y" to going back to stock. I've never worked with the Quad, but it can't get any easier than the "Hyper". They're all handheld units that plug in under the dash.....
The Quadzilla tuners (new ones anyway) are that simple, you are asked to "return to stock" or "release the beast". Simple four button setup.
Heartbeat Hauler 08-06-2004, 02:50 PM http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/795_12_4_54.gifsame story different messengerhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
Yeah what he said. I got sucked into this story twice now. I'm strickly on a "believe it when I see it" basis.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif
JP
hdmax 08-06-2004, 03:33 PM I got sucked into this story twice now. I'm strickly on a "believe it when I see it" basis.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif
JP No one told you to buy anything, so if you go sucked by any thing I post, it's your own damn fault. So don't be crying on the threadshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
blowingsmoke 08-18-2004, 08:59 AM I have the Quad tow tune max 110HP.. It's been great - I've only ever zinged the tranny once.. However, here recently I can't load any tunes.. the I get and error code and then the truck wont start. I have to set it back to stock.. - Anyone else had this problem..??? I think my version is out of date or something.. - it's over a year old..
sdaver 08-18-2004, 11:35 AM * *I got sucked into this story twice now. I'm strickly on a "believe it when I see it" basis.<IMG id=chkImg1 alt="Click on image to open in new window" src="smileys/Stern Smile.gif" name=chkImg2>
JP No one told you to buy anything, so if you go sucked by any thing I post, it's your own damn fault. So don't be crying on the threadshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
quad is what really sucks........................promise the world..........deliver another excuse........with a new messenger each timeEdited by: sdaver
Heartbeat Hauler 08-18-2004, 02:38 PM I got sucked into this story twice now. I'm strickly on a "believe it when I see it" basis.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif
JP
No one told you to buy anything, so if you go sucked by any thing I post, it's your own damn fault. So don't be crying on the threadshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif
Better lighten up punk. I didn't buy anything, I'm tellin ya what happened to me. I spent a lot of time and effort trying to make this happen with one of his vendors and it was hype. I am one of the folks that want one of these tuners, but I've been out & out lied to, and I'm tryin to keep someone else from gettin strung along like I did and get bupkis for their trouble. So if I were you I would get my ducks in a row before you start tellin people they are "cryin' on a thread" Looser....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif
JP
White Duramax 08-18-2004, 09:13 PM HH, just curious was the vendor or Quad the one giving you the run-around? I have dealt directly with Quad on a couple different things and he has always been strait with me, he is hard to get hold of but I have gotten good service from him.
Heartbeat Hauler 08-19-2004, 12:09 PM White Duramax,
It was the vendor. I was running emails back & forth with him and PMing 1/2 dozen other guys that were interested in a "Basic Tuner" for their truck. Much of my distaste was from the fact that we were really excited about this product and was lead on for about 30 days, then all of a sudden nothing, no return emails, PMs, squat. Then a few weeks later I received an e-mail stating well they weren't gonna pursue this right now because the supplier....I assume Quad....was working on other priorities. Which, sounded exactly like the scenario I followed a year or so ago about this very thing. Anyways, I was just tryin to keep someone else from chasin' that wild goose.
JP
Scotty Seelen 08-19-2004, 12:21 PM Hopefully, Quad will be done beta testing this product for the 2001's soon. By the original post, it looks like it should be any day now. Right now, I have only two options. One is a custom program from TTS. That one is out, because I've got the 6-gun with speedloader already installed. The other is the Predator from Diablosport, which only raises it to 110mph. With the rev limiter raised by Quad, I would think 120-125mph wouldn't be out of the question. C'mon Quad........
White Duramax 08-19-2004, 12:56 PM I wonder if TTS or Westers would just raise your speed limiter. Another easy fix, get an ATS Co-Pilot, it will help your tranny hold and make firmer shifts, and best of all, NO speed limiter period. You could just run it on the lowest setting which isn't much firmer than a stock shift. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif
heartbeatcanada 08-19-2004, 04:38 PM Westers will get ya just the speed limiter gone, if thats all ya want.
Scotty Seelen 08-20-2004, 07:35 AM I've never heard of Westers before. What is it and what does it involve? Any help would be appreciated.
heartbeatcanada 08-20-2004, 07:58 AM I've never heard of Westers before. What is it and what does it involve? Any help would be appreciated.
Westers is a company who makes custom pcms.(same as tts) I've been running there pcm for about 6 months now, and know others that are too. He can eliminate the speed limiter on any year including 01. Don't know what the cost would be for just getting the speed limiter raised though.
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