After searching it seems a boost stick is a cheap way to add a little seat of the pants difference and also lower EGT. I read that my Edge Attitude monitor will not give an accurate boost reading after installing the BS. Do I need to install an aftermarket boost gauge? I tow often during certain times of the year on the farm but nothing extremely heavy. Other than that the truck is just a daily driver. Any input it appreciated.

If you already have Edge/Attitude then BS is not going to do much good being stock turbo is really only good to 32 psi tops and your Edge already ups boost to 30psi with its programming. BS is great companion to Edge EZ or other products that dont increase boost in their programminng

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.

i have a 04.5 and the most boost i see is 24lbs..that is with the hot lly ppe programmer...will the boost stick help me?

If you already have Edge/Attitude then BS is not going to do much good being stock turbo is really only good to 32 psi tops and your Edge already ups boost to 30psi with its programming. BS is great companion to Edge EZ or other products that dont increase boost in their programminng

That is not true. Edge does not increase boost.

That is not true. Edge does not increase boost.

So a BS will give me more boost and lower EGTs correct? From what I've read it works well with programers since they add more fuel. Is worth it for me to get one? And if so, do I need an aftermarket boost gauge.

So a BS will give me more boost and lower EGTs correct? From what I've read it works well with programers since they add more fuel. Is worth it for me to get one? And if so, do I need an aftermarket boost gauge.

The BS will add a little boost and help with the EGT's. Even more so if you have a 4" exhaust (less restrictive exhaust system). As others posted, the Edge doesn't increase boost, so the BS just might help out. It will also reduce smoke some. Boost guage is probably not necessary as I've never seen mine climb over 30psi. If you get the BS, be sure and get the "extension" also. They are not real easy to install. Space is very limited in there. The extension will allow you to remove the BS and re-install it without any hassle.

A pyrometer is a good idea if you don't have one. With added performance, diesels can be pushed too hard, especially towing.

So if an edge juice or EZ module doesn't add any boost, then the boost stick would benefit, if equipped with a free flowing exhaust. Will the attitude monitor read up to 30 PSI of boost on the display?

I have seen mine as high as 30 with pred on 65. It also cut my smoke to all most zero when I put it back on. Miss the smoke:mad: but love the power:D . JD:cool:

I tested it with the Edge. It gave the truck a lot more response at lower RPM. I really liked the combination.:thumb:

So if an edge juice or EZ module doesn't add any boost, then the boost stick would benefit, if equipped with a free flowing exhaust. Will the attitude monitor read up to 30 PSI of boost on the display?

You'll feel a slight performance gain with the boost stick, as well as a little more turbo whistle.

The 4" exhaust is just another performance improver. It's not a must, but nice to have.
Benefits are somewhat better performance and lower EGT's.

I don't believe you'll see the added (BS) boost on the Attitude Display because it is just reporting what the ECM sees. The BS fools the engine and causes it to increase boost, which won't be seen by the ECM. Others may offer more definitive info on this than I can.

IMHO, boost guages at lower performance levels are over-rated, meaning 'not that necessary'. Unless you are really running some high-performance stuff and creating boost over 35psi, I wouldn't bother with one. There may be some benefits to having a boost guage that I'm not aware of....if so, others will chime in and let us know.

To be honest, I wished I had installed a high-quality ECT (coolant) temp guage in place of the boost guage. The factory ECT guage is poorly calibrated and does not accurately reflect real ECT's.

Boost stick is a good product. Makes quite a difference in most plug and play or canned tune programs.

I'm looking for a little better response down in the low RPMs. It sounds like a BS will give me this. Thanks for the help guys :D

On my 2005 LLY, I have installed an Edge EZ, Finger Stick, EGR blocker plate, 4" exhaust, and Boost Stick. Plus a few other things, such as Timbrens, Bilsteins, 285 tires, Line-X, etc... Oh yeah, Killer Bee CAI also.

We tow a toyhauler fifth-wheel, which probably weighs about 12,000.

Currently, the boost stick is disconnected because it apparently creates a problem which limits boost and power considerably, and triggers the CEL. I do not recall the code indicated, but I think it was intake related. P299? Anyway, it ran fine for a few days, but then triggered the CEL and cut power quite a bit. Would only run up to 2000 rpm max. After I pulled the boost stick, it ran fine...

When we tow, the coolant and trans temp stay fine, but it's hard to keep EGT's under 1350 going up any kind of hill. It seems to do best when I remove the Edge EZ, I can give it considerably more throttle without shooting EGT's way up. I understood that the Edge EZ was designed to use for towing in the lowest setting. Doesn't work too well though, as I can only give it half throttle or so to keep EGT's in line.

Thoughts???


Ed

On my 2005 LLY, I have installed an Edge EZ, Finger Stick, EGR blocker plate, 4" exhaust, and Boost Stick. Plus a few other things, such as Timbrens, Bilsteins, 285 tires, Line-X, etc... Oh yeah, Killer Bee CAI also.

We tow a toyhauler fifth-wheel, which probably weighs about 12,000.

Currently, the boost stick is disconnected because it apparently creates a problem which limits boost and power considerably, and triggers the CEL. I do not recall the code indicated, but I think it was intake related. P299? Anyway, it ran fine for a few days, but then triggered the CEL and cut power quite a bit. Would only run up to 2000 rpm max. After I pulled the boost stick, it ran fine...

When we tow, the coolant and trans temp stay fine, but it's hard to keep EGT's under 1350 going up any kind of hill. It seems to do best when I remove the Edge EZ, I can give it considerably more throttle without shooting EGT's way up. I understood that the Edge EZ was designed to use for towing in the lowest setting. Doesn't work too well though, as I can only give it half throttle or so to keep EGT's in line.

Thoughts???


Ed


merry Christmas Ed

what size is your magnaflow? I don't see an air intake system in your sig. you could try that.

however, I am sure you have been told this before. your model is known for overheating. do a search for it, as there are some cures. they are not 100% i think, but it does help.

imagine how hot you would be with a tuner???

ed,

contact Kennedy. I know there were some problems with CA emission trucks and the early boost sticks. I believe they have updated it to correct the issues.

Fingers - Is the boost stick with Predator 2.0 improving performance or is it defeating the prurpose since 2.0 increased the boost? I know there's a lot less smoke with the combo.

2.02 increased boost.

Sorry I meant 2.02. So, no gain with the boost stick.

BS and 2.02 Predator is not optimal.

BS and 2.02 Predator is not optimal.

What problems does the extra boost from the BS cause when running the Predator V2.02? I ran this combo for awhile. The truck run strong. I noticed that at 70 mph cruise on level ground it was indicating 5 to 6 lbs of boost.

Under load, you actually make less power making the extra boost. No gain, maybe a loss. At cruise, it is essentially a wash. This has nothing to do with EGT and such.

Under load, you actually make less power making the extra boost. No gain, maybe a loss. At cruise, it is essentially a wash. This has nothing to do with EGT and such.

Not that Senor Fingers needs backup, but that is what I experienced as well. The BS with the EZ was a good combination. When I switched to the Pred 2.02 it ran better without the BS.

Fingers, does Edge w/Attitude V1.0 add boost? That is the version I have currently. I bought the truck off my dad about a month ago and he never sent the Edge to be updated. If V1.0 does add boost it won't work with the BS correct?

BS works well with the Edge.

Ok good, I bought a BS and it should be here Thursday. I've read more than once V1.0 adds boost but I'll take your word over others. Thanks!

V1 caps the boost signal IIRC. I'll let John Kennedy chime in and keep me honest.

does it work on the lbz motors. i am hurting for more boost. please give me more boost!!!:mad:

No LBZ version is available.

does it work on the lbz motors. i am hurting for more boost. please give me more boost!!!:mad:


Buy an Edge. Too little boost is not a problem on the LBZ version of the juice....:eek:

Fingers.I was under impression that Edge juice with Attitude increased boost as well and therefore did not NEED a BoostStick.
My buddy has 05 LLY (cali truck) with Edge/Attitude combo -no Bs and his Attitude display shows him hitting 30 psi boost. I believe he has version 1.0.
I have 05 LLY(fed truck) with Edge EZ and BS.Autometer gauge shows I hit 30 psi as well.
If his Edge/*** combo doesnt add boost then whats with his display?Is he being bullsh*##ed by his display?
Im curious now ,and probably Chevy HD as well.

The BS increases the boost across the operating range of the motor. The V1 Edge simply caps the boost signal so the affect is only at high output. (WOT) There is a way to bypass the capping, but I am not familiar enough to spell it out.

What about Banks stuff does Fingers or anyone else know how well the BS works with the Banks stuff? Also will my Banks Dyna Fact Boost gauge be able to read the extra boost? I would think that it would be the same as the Edge *** monitor that it only reads what the ECM is reading for I think this is how the Dyna Fact gauges work. Am I correct in this statement?

I can testify that the boost stick works great with either the predator (v2.0)or the edge (v1.0).

The only thing missed was the smoke, but guess I just need a hotter tune!

-Chris

I can testify that the boost stick works great with either the predator (v2.0)or the edge (v1.0).

The only thing missed was the smoke, but guess I just need a hotter tune!

-Chris

Great, I'm putting it in tomorrow :D

Anyone getting alot of turbo bark with Juice/Attitude & BS? Any suggestions? I can unplug the ???? where the blocker plate goes and it does help?

Anyone getting alot of turbo bark with Juice/Attitude & BS? Any suggestions? I can unplug the ???? where the blocker plate goes and it does help?

I'm not sure from your post if you have a blocker plate or not? If not installing one will help with the turbo barking. You may also want to get a Finger Stick to help with the codes it will throw (insufficient EGR flow.)

ps - If you fill out your sig with your truck info it helps others in diagnosing your issues :thumb:

No blocker plate. The EGR is unplugged. What does this harm?

Truck is 3500 CC 4x4 GMC 2005 model dually. Edge w/Attitude and BS. Kennedy suggested to unplug the egr to see if that stopped the bark. It did. Without the BS the truck sucks. I would rather run it stock that with the bare edge - attitude combo. It shifts really really slow like its really slipping. With the boost it shifts really firm in level 1 and ok in 2. I pull a loaded trailer alot and level 1 is the only thing I can pull with. I limped on level 2.

No blocker plate. The EGR is unplugged. What does this harm?

I don't think it will harm anything. With the blocker plate installed you can make absolutely sure there is no exhaust gas making it by the disabled valve. There was some discussion on here awhile back concerning the proper "method" for just unplugging the EGR valve. I don't recall the exact outcome of the discussion but the general gist was that there was some concern about when you unplugged the EGR valve to make sure it was uplugged while the valve is in the closed position

Truck is 3500 CC 4x4 GMC 2005 model dually. Edge w/Attitude and BS. Kennedy suggested to unplug the egr to see if that stopped the bark. It did. Without the BS the truck sucks. I would rather run it stock that with the bare edge - attitude combo. It shifts really really slow like its really slipping. With the boost it shifts really firm in level 1 and ok in 2. I pull a loaded trailer alot and level 1 is the only thing I can pull with. I limped on level 2.

You got me on this one. I'm not sure why the boost stick, added to a Edge, would affect shift firmness. That is more a testament to my ignorance on the topic than anything else.

A few posts back, it was mentioned that the BS with the Edge EZ was a good combination. I have the EZ which I leave on 3 and a 4" Volant cat-back. I posted a question in the tranny forum and was told I would increase the possibility of tranny damage with the BS/EZ combo. Is this true? I notice the EZ powers up mainly after 2000 rpm (seat of the pants). I am a pretty conservative driver, and like the EZ on 3 to pass and enter freeways, but notice the truck runs close to stock from stoplights untill 2000 rpm.

I have the Edge J W/*** and fingers stick/boost stick/egr blocked/4" mbrp/cold air intake, and have never seen more than 23 psi boost on monitor under any conditions, perhaps it is wired in wrong, truck runs fine tho...05 GMC 2500HD...opinions?? GtoDoug5

V1 caps the boost signal IIRC. I'll let John Kennedy chime in and keep me honest.


Edge Juice V1.0 capped the boost signal passed back to the ECM. There is an update for it though.

Edge EZ does not cap boost signal.

the latest predator version does nothing for boost.

If you already have Edge/Attitude then BS is not going to do much good being stock turbo is really only good to 32 psi tops and your Edge already ups boost to 30psi with its programming. BS is great companion to Edge EZ or other products that dont increase boost in their programminng

Not true - I added the boost stick to my Juice/Attitude and it did lower EGTs and made the truck more responsive. Its a combo I would recommend for the LiLLY. I noticed a difference for the better - it's worth the $$ if you already have the Edge.

I have the Edge J W/*** and fingers stick/boost stick/egr blocked/4" mbrp/cold air intake, and have never seen more than 23 psi boost on monitor under any conditions, perhaps it is wired in wrong, truck runs fine tho...05 GMC 2500HD...opinions?? GtoDoug5

Attitude is reading the boost off the bus, which is AFTER the BS has modified the signal. That is, the Attitude is being fooled.

the latest predator version does nothing for boost.

Last I checked we were in the LLY forum. Latest Pred version 2.02 increases boost depending on elevation etc.

Well, my Predator V2.02 certainly increases boost over stock.

I'm refering to the lbz version. no boost increase.
Mister FINGERS needs to make us a boost stick.

I like my boost stick but i think it made my trany go into default mode. But i love it!

The BS adds about 15hp to a good tune, and it adds in power at the lower RPM range also. That makes your 65hp setting now an 80hp setting. Keep that in mind when your pushing your tranny's limit!:)

You got that right. Already looking into a suncoast. Now let me get this right fingers 05 lly edge with juice attitude DOES IT ADD MORE BOOST ON TOP OF THE EDGE JUICE WITH ATTITUDE? My trans slipped with just on setting 2. Hell i got three more settings and its never been off 2. But when i get the trans can i put on setting 5 then with out hurting anything? Love the boost stick though!

What version of Edge Juice?

Dont know all i know is that its the juice with attitude it has five settings. Ill let you know when i come home from work. Just cant remember right now its been to long since i put the dam thing on.

I got the 1.2 version. How about stacking the diablo on top of the edge will that creat more boost and hurt anything? IF so what version of the diablo do i need to get?

It is a daily driver and dont want to hurt the truck. I want the low setting on the diablo and the edge for the rest. Will this be to much boost? Called edge today they said it would not add boost on version 1.0 1.2 and 1.3 is this true just want your opion on that or maybe kennedys, just dont want to hurt the truck. Going to up grade the trans like yours.

I know this is a little old of a thread but I am thinking of getting a BS for my truck and did not see my combo.

Is it worth it, I am putting on a 4 inch this weekend as well as the EGR plate and FS. Also thinking of moding the stock intake. Where will I notice the difference without a programmer?

boost stick + NON 2.02 predator on 40hp is an amazing combo for all around good power (mild) and a great tower tune. nothing but happy with it.