Any fellow Handshaker's think it's posible to hit 11's? Will the handshaker's let me in? And if so what's my #. Thanks Merry Christmas.

Welcome to the site Max707!

If you loose the lift and and the if engine holds up to the drugs i think it could be done!!!

What if I ran a 32x14.50 slick or somthing like it? Would it help or hurt? I've already ran drugs through it just not with the Dual CP3's, Injectors, and PPE Fuel Part's. Thanks

You just ruined my goal :( . Being the forst with a really mod'd 6spd. Just funnin'. Welcome to the site :D . You have a SBC clutch or Mac's?

South Bend DD650. I'm dyin to find out my HP/TQ, what do you think. At any rate though it's *&%*ing INSANE!

not sure on hp, with out the drugs i would say 525/550hp i still think the turbo will be your limiting factor to make big hp on #2! now on spray, i dont know the n20 will make up for what the turbo cant??

What if I ran a 32x14.50 slick or somthing like it? Would it help or hurt? I've already ran drugs through it just not with the Dual CP3's, Injectors, and PPE Fuel Part's. Thanks


Using drugs with all that extra fuel you now have will make lots of power but could really make your connecting rods hate life!!

Hey Max707 whats your truck?

05'LLY scroll up in the thread it's listed. Crew Cab/Short bed Weigh's 7400lbs

05'LLY scroll up in the thread it's listed.


I think he means, is a crew cab, reg cab, short bed, and so on????? the weight and size of the truck will have a lot to do with it!

My Trucks a Crew Cab/Short bed That Weigh's 7400lbs.

South Bend DD650. I'm dyin to find out my HP/TQ, what do you think. At any rate though it's *&%*ing INSANE!


That Ceramic?

I'd bet you're making more than 525rwhp but what do I know :rolleyes: . You can make 480rwhp with just the PPE.

I put 498HP 987TQ Without CP3. Yes it's ceramic. I think I'll hit 575-625HP and 1150-1250TQ.No Drugs. Some people always comment on the size of my turbo, but it's surprising how cool the motor runs. I hit 50PSI all the time.

I think i need to find another dyno? i can only make 440 with a ppe hot +2 ET
and 460 with efi??????

I think it's not only possible to run 11's with a stick, but inevitable.

I think it's not only possible to run 11's with a stick, but inevitable.


I think it will happen, I hope it happens, I will more than likely try some day but for now im still trying for 12's on a stock engine and #2!

05 LLY- I bet if you had a Turbo, Injectors and a CP3 Dual Fueler you would be over 525HP on #2 only.

In reality a lly, stick should be able to make 500 hp on a stock engine with efi no problem due to less driveline lose than a auto!



I dont know much about the A2K turbo but i dont think its a 600hp #2 only turbo!

Well When I Hit The Dyno I Know I Will Be Happy. I Will Have Around 700+rwhp On #2 Only. 707 Max Should Be Able To Turn Out Some Very High Numbers With Those Mods Reagrless Of His Turbo.

What gear do you guys Launch In and are you getting on the brake to build more boost??

Mcrat My Borther Is Max 707 I Was Wondering What You Think His Truck Will Dyno. Im Trying To Learn About These Fast Duramax's. I Think I Want To Buy One.

How much money do you have to spend to get a Dmax 750+rwhp or a 10 sec truck. Automatic truck.

How much money do you have to spend to get a Dmax 750+rwhp or a 10 sec truck. Automatic truck.


It's a weight issue. If you are willing to set up a 4500 lb truck, you will only need ~550rwhp to pull it off.

The higher weight you run, the more power you are going need.

And money.

I've had to skim this thread, and will return later. But, for now:

Take a look at the NHRA records in Stock. Compare auto vs. stick. Auto is now often just a bit faster than stick (although, last I knew the index for a stick is *still* 0.05 quicker than for an auto). Now, I don't know diddly about computer controlled turbo motors, but given that (i.e. I'll shoot off my mouth :) ), I see little reason why a stick Dmax should give away much to an Allison Dmax. If I'm wrong here, please correct me.


Bill

I think it's harder to run the gears with my Southbend DualDisc than any suped up car I've been in. Also you gotta take into consideration that for a diesel to rip you gotta have the boost goin. In a manual Diesel Truck you can loose that boost in between shifts. Those are two major factors that NHRA cars dont have to deal with. Now onto your question the matter of a ZF-6 vs Allison. The Allison is probably going to win 9 out of 10 passes. A situation like both trucks have over 500+rwhp I think the Allison is gonna slip it's way down the track. A ZF-6 can handle more power than a Allison stock unit. And if that Allison is even slightly modifed and the ZF-6 doesnt have at least 150hp on it it's toast. I will tell you this though, it would be real cool to see a ZF-6 with my Mods stock height ripping 1/4 mile passes. I've seen some ZF-6's on this site in the low 13's, but those truck's I think have only about 450-500rwhp. Banshee on the dieseltruckresource forum runs 12.6 in his Dodge quad/long bed Revtek Lift 2'' on 31'' tires and I think he's somewhere around the 650hp 1200tq range. He shifts like no other though. If I could only De-Lift my truck:( .

Since I don't have a track near by I use a particlar hill that's almost exactly 1/4mi from bottom to top and app 10%+ grade. From a dead stop 2wd launch w/ very little tire spin I can hit 95mph. Have no idea how many sec though. With a 2500-3000rpm 4wd launch I'm confident I can hit 100mph but I don't have sleeves yet :( . I don't have anything but a Big EFI tune {supposed to be making 500rwhp :D }. I don't see any reason with a turbo and maybe a mod'd CP3{or duals} that a 6spd can't hit the 11's.

I would have to say:agreed: . A Reg Cab is gonna be the ZF-6 to doit. It will have to have all the goodies. CP3X2,Injectors,A5K,NOS,SunCoast, Sleeves etc... Keep puttin coin in your piggy and maybe you will be the one:ro) . Untill then though I'll let yall know when I finally get some 33's on and start my quest for 12's.:D

I dont think you can use mph to judge 1/4 mile times with a 6 speed. Racing a 6 speed depende so much on you doing every thing the same each time. I have over 50 time slips here almost all of them @ 95mph+ but times rangeing form 15.5 to 13.1x's. my very first time ever at the track i ran a 14.7 @ 98mph with just an edge and boost stick??


If i were to lighten my truck up i think it would run 12's but i want it to run 12's in the same dress as i drive it to work! LAst time weighed it was 6500lbs?

Also some food for thought, when i was running 245 tires i could 60' in the mid 1.7's and only manage just over 100mph with best ets in the 13.40/13.50 range, and by swithching to 265's i can only muster up a best 60' of high 1.8's but trap speeds of 103+ with ets in the low 13's.

Then again i really dont know a whole lot about it?

Nice times 05 LLY:cool: . Have you ever thought about what your times would be if you had a Turbo, CP3X2,Nos and Injectors? I saw a reply awhile back and this guy said he gained 5mph in the 1/4 just from the Dualfueler. I would bet good money that combo would help drop at least a second off your 1/4.

05 LLY tell me about the EFI ZF-6 tune you run. Can you program CP3X2 with it too?

I put 498HP 987TQ Without CP3. Yes it's ceramic. I think I'll hit 575-625HP and 1150-1250TQ.No Drugs. Some people always comment on the size of my turbo, but it's surprising how cool the motor runs. I hit 50PSI all the time.

I find it incredible that you get 50psi of boost on an A2000. That turbo isn't much larger if any than a stock LB7 turbo. I had as many or more mods than you list when I was running an A2000 and never made over about 30spi of boost. Warped the pedestal on the damn thing too. Mind you it was installed in July of 05, maybe they improved them since I had mine. It never dynoed over about 500rwhp running propane and H2O/meth along with bigger sticks from ATS. I was runnng a hot Juice stacked with a Xcelerator for a tune. 50lbs of boost is a lot of boost, I know guys running A5000's that don't make that much. IIRC ATS said it would only build about 35psi or so, I would check your gauge. If you get your stick into the 11's you will be a great driver, doing that with a stick would be a real feat. Good Luck.

First of all Ats is pretty vague about housing size, boost and what hp #'s their unit's handle. As far as my gauge working it's 2 months old and it works fine. Installed by Ponci's Diesel Center the best shop In Northern California. Before I bought it ATS did tell me a Average D-Max will see 32-38psi he then whent on to say with a pumped fuel system I should easily see 45psi. ATS also said it would handle up to 550hp. I will go off what their rep told me verbaly on the phone back in August before I bought it. I hit 482.10hp 953.30tq on a Superflow WinDyno 11/4/06 with out any of the PPE fuel mods and 90hp Sticks. I did use a 100hp Nos shot and PPE Hot+2 Level 6. I hit the Dyno again #2 only with the 90hp Sticks PPE Hot+2 Level 5 and got 453.5hp 893.1tq. On the # 2 only run I was only hitting about 1375 egt. Now on Jan 22-23 when I go back to the Dyno to see what the CP3X2, Ported Fuel Rail, Billit Pick up and Shim Kit gave me I guarantee you I see at least 100rwhp 100tq! Also when I was on the Dyno last I had a 1/4 tank of fuel and the rail was deffinateley runing dry. Low fuel pressure too!

I dont think you can use mph to judge 1/4 mile times with a 6 speed. Racing a 6 speed depende so much on you doing every thing the same each time. I have over 50 time slips here almost all of them @ 95mph+ but times rangeing form 15.5 to 13.1x's. my very first time ever at the track i ran a 14.7 @ 98mph with just an edge and boost stick??


If i were to lighten my truck up i think it would run 12's but i want it to run 12's in the same dress as i drive it to work! LAst time weighed it was 6500lbs?

Also some food for thought, when i was running 245 tires i could 60' in the mid 1.7's and only manage just over 100mph with best ets in the 13.40/13.50 range, and by swithching to 265's i can only muster up a best 60' of high 1.8's but trap speeds of 103+ with ets in the low 13's.

Then again i really dont know a whole lot about it?

You know a lot more than I do,though :) . I'm running a slightly bigger tune than the one I got from you. I'd be happy with mid 13's with my current setup cause my truck weighs 8200lbs,as it sits :eek: .

I have yet to dyno this EFI setup but my VA 200 made 476/1013 on fuel only with no other mods @ 5000' in CO.

Mine weighs 7400lbs as is. What kind of dyno 01DuramaxSixSpeed?

First of all Ats is pretty vague about housing size, boost and what hp #'s their unit's handle. As far as my gauge working it's 2 months old and it works fine. Installed by Ponci's Diesel Center the best shop In Northern California. Before I bought it ATS did tell me a Average D-Max will see 32-38psi he then whent on to say with a pumped fuel system I should easily see 45psi. ATS also said it would handle up to 550hp. I will go off what their rep told me verbaly on the phone back in August before I bought it. I hit 482.10hp 953.30tq on a Superflow WinDyno 11/4/06 with out any of the PPE fuel mods and 90hp Sticks. I did use a 100hp Nos shot and PPE Hot+2 Level 6. I hit the Dyno again #2 only with the 90hp Sticks PPE Hot+2 Level 5 and got 453.5hp 893.1tq. On the # 2 only run I was only hitting about 1375 egt. Now on Jan 22-23 when I go back to the Dyno to see what the CP3X2, Ported Fuel Rail, Billit Pick up and Shim Kit gave me I guarantee you I see at least 100rwhp 100tq! Also when I was on the Dyno last I had a 1/4 tank of fuel and the rail was deffinateley runing dry. Low fuel pressure too!

You may want to consider at least a set of billet rods because if you expections are correct, your stock ones are on borrowed time. If you have access to or own a tech 2 or EFI live it would be good to see how your rail pressure hold up at WOT. I'm not a big fan of the FASS and wonder if it will keep your twin CP's fueled. Your truck is way too heavy for drag racing to get very fast. I was able to get my 02 crewcab down to about 6900 with me in it and I'm about 210#. Some say on here that 300 lbs is worth a tenth of a second. If you are in Norcal maybe see you at Redding next summer. I want to see you put that truck through the gears. Question, why did you decided to go with the A2000 v/s the A5000? Again good luck.

I actually have Arp studs. I dont think I will go much over 600hp 1200tq even if I get EFI Live custom tune to go along with my CP3X2, but we'll see. With my 100hp Nos shot I'll roll right past these #'s, but still not enough to break rods. Pretty sure most of the 700+hp rigs see rods go if not replaced with aftermarket TTS Rods. Just my oppinion though only time will tell!:D Please tell me your problem with the FASS? Oops almost forgot I went with the A2K because I live and drive in the Mtns. On a given work day I could go from 3500' down to 1200' with a 7500lb+ load and trailer. I would like to see a A5K do this day in day out with the egt's under 1000.

Ponci's is the best shop in Northern California? Brad knows his ****, but thats an awfully bold statement.

When you were on the dyno on 11/4/06...was that Ponci's dyno day? I was there, I don't remember seeing you. Whats your rig look like, I might've just missed you, or you may have shown up after I had already left. Damn those chilli dogs were good.

I actually have Arp studs. I dont think I will go much over 600hp 1200tq even if I get EFI Live custom tune to go along with my CP3X2, but we'll see. With my 100hp Nos shot I'll roll right past these #'s, but still not enough to break rods. Pretty sure most of the 700+hp rigs see rods go if not replaced with aftermarket TTS Rods. Just my oppinion though only time will tell!:D Please tell me your problem with the FASS? Oops almost forgot I went with the A2K because I live and drive in the Mtns. On a given work day I could go from 3500' down to 1200' with a 7500lb+ load and trailer. I would like to see a A5K do this day in day out with the egt's under 1000.



Running a stack that you have no idea what amount of fuel and timing you are shooting, bigger injectors, twin pumps to keep everything fueled, 50psi of boost and n20???? its hard to beleive your rods havent left you yet??? Wonder what kinds of cyl psi thats making!!!!!

AS for the efi tuneing, its moslty my own tuning, with some help for TEAM SALAD!! Im no tuning expert, but seem to do well, if i could just get on one of these good run dynos i think i would make higher numbers! BUt then again there just numbers, the truck performs great for only 460 hp:rolleyes: ???? For a good cp3x2 tune you might want to consider Mcrat for efi!

I'm running a slightly bigger tune than the one I got from you.

The tune i sent you was some what detuned, due to the fact that you were going to tow with it. I Can send another if youd like but again i havent mesed with lb7's a whole lot!!!

thats a lot....I cant even get over 38psi with any of the turbos Ive run.

Boost does not equal HP. We can make 52PSI on a factory LLY charger. Well for 10 seconds, right Ben? :D

Casper runs 11.8 with 38PSI at LACR.

Boost does not equal HP.


:exactly:

I drive a Black 05 LLY crew/short 6'' Lift 18'' black rims on 35''X13.50's. I was their at the event 8:00am first truck on the rollers. I live 35 minutes from his shop. Brad does do really good work. 05 LLY I have N20 and never discussed running it in my truck so I dont understand what the 50psi N2O statement means. If your accusing me of lying than I guess I have no respnsne to that. McRat is right boost is simply a measure of back pressure in the motor it has nothing to do with power. I know that this setup runs great I've been running it for 4-5months minus the CP3X2 and it works great no problems. I'll be happy to list what the system with the pump and custom EFI tune make, but like I said not till Jan 23 when I Dyno again.:D

What is a good run Dyno 05 LLY? I've never heard that before. Also maybe you should add some parts to your motor for longevity. I highly doubt retuning your computer for 460hp with no other parts that help make that heavy tune run smooth is a good idea?

What is a good run Dyno 05 LLY?
What i meant was one run by some one who knows how to dyno a turbo diesel but since you want to be negative i mean a dyno where the operator makes it read what they want to!!!

Also maybe you should add some parts to your motor for longevity.

With your current setup and attitude you will be posting about a windowed block soon, im sure of it!

I highly doubt retuning your computer for 460hp with no other parts that help make that heavy tune run smooth is a good idea?

This makes no sense??

You have spent lots of coin and im sure your truck runs great, i think you jusy need to do some home work befor you do junk your engine unless you dont care about that! If you read some of the technical threads on hear you will find that running crazy timing, big fuel, lots of boost psi and n20 (nitrous) will more than likely cause broken engine hard parts, but excuse me for trying to give you some helpfull info.

Good luck,
Caleb

I'll take advice from anybody, but it's how you deliver it. I've run 1 bottle through it with a 100hp shot. That's nothing compared to the amount D'Amico ran in the red truck to hit 721hp or Buick Spruill runs in his 10sec D-Max. Look around at all the 550-650hp trucks on here tell me how many have rods? Deffinately not more than the people who dont. I dont think I'll ever hit over 650hp because I'm not goona run a 200-250hp Nos shot/system. Am I at risk without them sure maybe a little, but I seriously think I dont need to rush out and spend the 4,000 to get it done. I think my truck that run's real cool egt's at full throttle will last awhile. If you want to help me out I'm more than willing to listen and try your idea's. Maybe next time serve um up a little less sarcastic.:D

I actually have Arp studs. I dont think I will go much over 600hp 1200tq even if I get EFI Live custom tune to go along with my CP3X2, but we'll see. With my 100hp Nos shot I'll roll right past these #'s, but still not enough to break rods. Pretty sure most of the 700+hp rigs see rods go if not replaced with aftermarket TTS Rods. Just my oppinion though only time will tell!:D Please tell me your problem with the FASS? Oops almost forgot I went with the A2K because I live and drive in the Mtns. On a given work day I could go from 3500' down to 1200' with a 7500lb+ load and trailer. I would like to see a A5K do this day in day out with the egt's under 1000.

My biggest problem with the FASS is the noise. I really like the MITUSA, very quiet, way more pressure, and also has a filter. I had the 150 FASS and this one beats it hands down. If you are towing the A2000 would be better. No waste gates on the Aurora has always puzzled me. If you really want a towing machine go with twin turbos, twins are like having NOS all the time, much better EGT's and don't have to keeps filling and changing bottles. Sounds like you better setup to sled pull than drag race. I just can't seem to get very excited about that. As Paul Breedlove who is about the best bracket racer arounds says, "I didn't drive 300 miles to get to drive 20mph for 300 feet." I guess that is the way I feel about it too. Good luck with your quest for a quick stick shift.

Nick hit 721 in the white truck. The red one ain't even close....yet.

Good idea SubMan:) . Actually because I do tow alot my mechanic suggested it last week. He said we would then also have the big charger for Big fuel at Dyno's or Races. I was a little concerned with my ending result in terms of hp/tq with just a A2K. I'm still gonna wait and see on Jan 22 when I Dyno if I hit my goal of just over 600hp/1100tq if I do I will probably stay with this current system. If I dont should I get a A5K and throw it in their with the A2K?

Who has the red Lb7 on the cover of diesel power magazine a couple of issues back that read 721hp dail driver? Anyway look in this forum under competition results thread Highest HP/TQ? Tell me out of the 8-10 trucks on their over 500hp how many have rods? I think the Answer is 1. I dont think this is a problem on D-Max's until over 700hp. Like I said with my 100hp shot once in awhile I doubt I'll ever get near that #.

That would be M. Tomacs truck. It does have stock rods-for now. Subman-try sledpulling once or twice, its very addicting, not to mention a rush!

Who has the red Lb7 on the cover of diesel power magazine a couple of issues back that read 721hp dail driver? Anyway look in this forum under competition results thread Highest HP/TQ? Tell me out of the 8-10 trucks on their over 500hp how many have rods? I think the Answer is 1. I dont think this is a problem on D-Max's until over 700hp. Like I said with my 100hp shot once in awhile I doubt I'll ever get near that #.

No magic number for when the rods decide to shorten. Some guys have been very lucky and others, (like me) have not. I think the HP number where you are probably pretty safe is much closer to 500rwhp than it is to 700. Been to a couple of sled pulls but it just doesn't interest me. I have been to the pull-off in Montana the past two summers and see how fast you can get a 10K trailer up a 6.5% hill at over 5000 ft elevation in a mile from a standing start. That will put the test your truck and also the EGT's. The modded trucks got so fast they limited it to 0-60 last summer. That wasn't much fun and put NOS back in the game. Pretty hard to beat the gas on a short track.

Building a strictly drag racing truck now, it will be street legal (sort of) but I won't drive it from race to race like I did my crewcab this last year. As far as stacking the 2000 with the 5000 on a twin turbo set up if that is yiour question, I really can't answer that. Lot more goes into building a successful set of twin turbos then just putting two together. The whole idea is for them to compound and work less than half as hard than they would as a single and build much more boost than the sum of what they are putting out individually. You would have to talk to Nathan or someone else who had built successful twin turbos. Clint Canyon at ATS has a big set and I know he uses the 5000 as one of them. I suspect it is the smaller of the two. I think big boost numbers are somewhat misleading. My twins never showed boost over about 50-52psi, but it performed well on the street and track, at least till I bent a rod. My truck seriously underperformed at the end. With all the mods I had done to it, it should have been in the mid 11's. Didn't happen. Didn't really get a chance to dial it in before I hurt the motor.:eek:

I saw a LB7 truck running somewhere in the mid 400 HP range and running mid 13's at the track. On the way home the shortened rods windowed the block. Not pretty. Shows that it's not the HP that kills them as much as the history/set-up/tuning that does.

707,

Still haven't had time to read this thru thoroughly (been away for holidays, then a ton to do upon return, blah, blah...), but:

when you drag w/ a stick, you *don't* lift on the shifts, heck you don't even disengage the clutch! So, I don't see why a turbo engine will loose boost in that situation. Of course, the clutch and trans need some work to do this. I'm not sure a ZF-6 will do it in the first place. And if it could be modified to do so, then it could still be prohibitively expensive, because, if/when it breaks, replacements will be virtually non-existent. Perhaps some sort of adapter plate could be made to fit the ZF-6's from behind PSD's? Maybe talking out my @ss here, though. Even then, if that were possible, stick PSD's don't exactly grow on trees either.

Bill

OK... Something just doesn't make sence to me. I don't understand how you take a smaller turbo like the A2000 and run 50psi and have cool EGT's. The A2000 is a SMALL turbo, and a small turbo with lots of fuel = high EGT's does it not. The BD turbo on bmdmax's truck made 622 with injectors and dual fueler. I don't think the A2000 will get even close to 600 on fuel only. I could be wrong and I hope you do get the numbers you want but it just does not add up to me. If someone can shed some light on this subject please do!

Thanks. On a Dyno with out the dual fueler, Fuel Rail, Shim and billit pick up I got 453.10 893.10tq #2 only. The highest I hit egt was 1398 PPE Hot+2 Lvel 7. I accidentley strapped up with a 1/4 tank of fuel and was spitting po101,po234,po299 and po1093. I was using a SuperFlow WinDyno. When I go strap back up Jan 23 I think you might be right, might fall short 600hp. I sure as heck will have a big smile on my face just gettin close. I could always come back strap up again maybe even EFI custom tuned.:) Also my Turbo was cleaning up nicely.