ok , i went to some local pulls the other night and decided that i need to join in on this . i have the 125 hp juice attitude and a afe intake and 4" exhaust .





what setting should i run it on level 5 ? level 4 ,do i put in 1st gear with the allision and i assume i run 4 low ? mtomac can you help me on this ? my trans is all stock so far . i plan to do the suncoast level 3

3rd gear low range, level 5 w/egt cutback shut off

Tow/Haul on or off?

mtomac, will this hurt my trans if it is stock ? also i am suprised to see you say 3rd gear ? what would happen in just 1st or second ? and yes towl haul on or off ? also should i make my juice attitude bypass the egt limit? if so which buttons do i push to do this ,i forget .





how well do you do pulling ? this guy in town says to not even waste my time . the cummins are taking over .

You will loose your Ally pulling. It will cost you less upgrading Ally now than after you smoke it.


mike

mtomac, will this hurt my trans if it is stock ? also i am suprised to see you say 3rd gear ? what would happen in just 1st or second ? and yes towl haul on or off ? also should i make my juice attitude bypass the egt limit? if so which buttons do i push to do this ,i forget .





how well do you do pulling ? this guy in town says to not even waste my time . the cummins are taking over .








Low range transfer case/ 3rd gear/ tow-haul on,........Then just roll on the throtle & let the trans take care of it's self.


Egt back down disable....... is done while viewing your egt's hit enter twice quickly and tell it how many minutes you want it for....... 30min max I think?





Don't be scared of dodges, You will do fine.

You will loose your Ally pulling. It will cost you less upgrading Ally now than after you smoke it.


mike








Pulling in low range on a track where it stays in one gear when loaded is not hard on the Alli.


The street will do way more damage by far.





Mikey L


How much do you save?...... If you are going the full meal deal anyway?.... One set of clutch packs?Edited by: JRmac

Just like these guys said. Pulling isnt easy on your trans, but I doubt you are going to tear it up pulling in lo with a 125hp box.

ok , so let me get this right :


3rd gear , 4 low , 125 setting, disable egt limit. what about defueling on shifts ?





if i smoke the trans , how much more would it cost to repair it ?

mtomac, will this hurt my trans if it is stock ? also i am suprised to see you say 3rd gear ? what would happen in just 1st or second ? and yes towl haul on or off ? also should i make my juice attitude bypass the egt limit? if so which buttons do i push to do this ,i forget .





how well do you do pulling ? this guy in town says to not even waste my time . the cummins are taking over . That should be a no brainer! you will kill the tranny in short order.

i am only going to do this once . my trans will be getting done in a month or so . i just want to see what it will do the way it is

I pulled about 8-10 times last year. All with a stock trans and with at least 100hp extra, then about 120, and by the end of the year I was running my big VA and still pulling with a stock trans. Sure its not easy on it, but what are ya gonna do.

That should be a no brainer! you will kill the tranny in short order.





Please explain?................hdmax how many sleds have you hooked to?............Someone show me a burnt Alli from pulling? (in Low Range)


Datsbad, Have fun you will be fine.Edited by: JRmac

JRMAC should be a professional at this! Therefore listen to him or TOMAC.





Jess

I have read the topic and I feel that you will be perfectly fine tractor pulling as your truck wont be hooked up to the sledhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

good one . ok sled pulling !

boosted launches and 125+ hp in 5th gear on the street will hurt the tranny quicker than truck pulling in 3rd gear, low range, T/H on, with just a 125hp juice box.

Ok heres the opinion of a stock auto puller. I have pulled my truck five times in 10 days with a stock tranny all in the last couple weeks with lots more power than what you are going to be running. 3rd gear, tow haul on, and 4-lo. I have ran the hot juice on level 5 and the quad 215 tune stacked . The truck has pulled great a couple seconds and a first and $500 to put towards a new tranny if and when this one fails me. I see know reason why your tranny would fail from one hook with just the juice. I've towed a couple trailers with trucks on them since the pulls and all seems to be well. So pull it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Matt

Seems to me the 125 HJ will do the damage alone. I thought rule of thumb was just the 90 hp edge then you better upgrade the Alli! Or did I sleep through class again?

You are about right Hired Gun, but that is for repeated use. You can tell me all the guys with the juice attitude dont hit level 5 at least once or twice.

Since pulling in low range and a max of third gear, u won't get to the fifth gear which is the trouble maker.

Datsbad, at least try it once. It is an adrenaline rush for me, every time I pull, its awesome!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Datsbad, at least try it once. It is an adrenaline rush for me, every time I pull, its awesome!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


Don't stop at only once, let her rip. Eric and I are here to help.

Please explain?................hdmax how many sleds have you hooked to?............Someone show me a burnt Alli from pulling? (in Low Range)


Datsbad, Have fun you will be fine.


As I said, it should be a no brainier. I have not hooked to any sleds, That is because I have more brain then dollars.


How about yourself?


I didn't say you would tear the transmission out with one pull, but then again it is possible. Yes it is a no brainier that truck pulls will damage the transmission, any type and any brand. Just as you could hook up and tear the hitch off, or break a spring, or twist an axle, or a whole lot of other things.


I do not need to be a truck puller to know something about it. Just as you don't need to get run over by a train to know it would hurt at the very least.

Please explain?................hdmax how many sleds have you hooked to?............Someone show me a burnt Alli from pulling? (in Low Range)


Datsbad, Have fun you will be fine.


As I said, it should be a no brainier. I have not hooked to any sleds, That is because I have more brain then dollars.


How about yourself?


I didn't say you would tear the transmission out with one pull, but then again it is possible. Yes it is a no brainier that truck pulls will damage the transmission, any type and any brand. Just as you could hook up and tear the hitch off, or break a spring, or twist an axle, or a whole lot of other things.


I do not need to be a truck puller to know something about it. Just as you don't need to get run over by a train to know it would hurt at the very least.








Hdmax........So you are saying if a person uses their truck for fun, be it pulling,... racing,... or just plain screwing around on the street,... Then they have more money than brains??????? I think most will disagree!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


If the transmission is not slipping then how is it being hurt?.............Low Range helps the transmission through gear reduction. With the converter locked there is less heat when pulling. So 3rd gear/Low range is a very good choice. Power braking on the street or strip causes heat and slip in the trany,......or running it through the gears under full load with power inhancements (most have tried this at some point)......This is way harder on it then pulling a sled on dirt in Low Range. Most,......but not all breakage on the pulling track is do to poor setup,......or design.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

JRmac


I don't know anything about pulling, but I will soon. I agree that low range will take one hell of a load off the trans. Third gear in low range with the converter clutch on seems to be the magic number, but when the converter clutch come on you just lost 100 psi to the trans. That cannot be good for it for very long even with the compound gear multiplication.


mike

JRmac


I don't know anything about pulling, but I will soon. I agree that low range will take one hell of a load off the trans. Third gear in low range with the converter clutch on seems to be the magic number, but when the converter clutch come on you just lost 100 psi to the trans. That cannot be good for it for very long even with the compound gear multiplication.


mike








Mike you are correct it does cut pressure in T/H,.... but I have never noticed a problem with slip during a pull. This is a good point for those running a stock Alli with big programs on the street.....Leave the T/H off, it will help the clutch packs last a little longer.

Jrsmac


Hate to tell you this but the cutback valve, cuts the pressure anytime the coverter locks. So it doesn't much matter if your in tow/haul or not when your racing. The difference is in tow/haul the tcm locks the coverter just after 2nd gear shift and normal shifting it will lock in 4th unless of course you do a standing start to full throttle then the tcm locks the converter in 2nd gear regardless. So by running 3rd gear locked with or without tow/haul is the same.


Also the ECM cuts the engine power output when the x-fer case is in 4 low for protection so I'm sure this helps keep the transmission together while pulling.

I've pulled loads with my truck that would make pulling a sled look like a piece of cake. Yes, I'm only running the 90hp juice but..... I know what I've done with it and the abuse it took. (pulling broken down semi (jar,bang, slam), pulling 40.000lbs trailers etc)
I'd say at least try it once and ease into it. Don't just stomp it and let it have it all at once if you can.

dutch, pulling sleds are usually 40000+ pounds

Diesel Tech, is that on the 01's only? Because I don't think the ECM cuts power very much if at all on the 02's and newer trucks because my truck pulls very well in 3rd gear low range for having the power "cut back."

mtomac


PSI drops on everyone of these Allys when the converter clutch applys. You have an advantage with that garage door spring in the pr valve. You are always making big time pressure.


mike

mike, I was talking about the ECM cutting power when in low rangehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Michael


I was talking about cutback on the pressure regulator with the converter clutch on. I was also refering to the ATS pr spring in your trans. I missed something along the way.


mike

Tomac was talking about Diesel tech saying power is cutback in low range. Mine sure doesnt seem to cut back any in low range as it will pull farther in 3rd low than it would in 1st high.

Jrsmac


Hate to tell you this but the cutback valve, cuts the pressure anytime the coverter locks. So it doesn't much matter if your in tow/haul or not when your racing. The difference is in tow/haul the tcm locks the coverter just after 2nd gear shift and normal shifting it will lock in 4th unless of course you do a standing start to full throttle then the tcm locks the converter in 2nd gear regardless. So by running 3rd gear locked with or without tow/haul is the same.


Also the ECM cuts the engine power output when the x-fer case is in 4 low for protection so I'm sure this helps keep the transmission together while pulling.








NO $#!+ .........??????? And your point is........?????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif





If you believe this?.....Then you need to ride in my truck!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif HELL.....Steve, you or Mike L show up to a pull and I'll let you drive! Just remember know shadowing, tuging, or slobering on me after you are done.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Later kids,


The Peoples Champion

JRmac


How is it that we never see your name anywhere but here? You have not impressed the diesel world with your truck. And as far as not finding a dyno big enough for your truck; maybe you should try something bigger than a treadmill.

JRmac


How is it that we never see your name anywhere but here? You have not impressed the diesel world with your truck. And as far as not finding a dyno big enough for your truck; maybe you should try something bigger than a treadmill.














Mikey you just made my day. ROTFLMAO


I don't care who you are,....That's funny right there!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif








For a guy that needs things repeated over and over,......I think there is still hope?.....Not that peoples sig's bother me like they do you? But why....TTS Extreme (coming soon)? Is this a waiting or wish list or what? One would think You would rate higher with Steve since you are bud's?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif If you need more power I would be happy to provide it, but you will need trany upgrades first?????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

JRmac


Glad you have a good sense of humor. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I must say I enjoy ribbing you and don't mind taking it. Laughing is good. As far as the TTS extreme I don't want it yet because of trans testing, but will keep you in mind. As far as the Ally upgrade; any suggestions? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


mike

I hear there is a real good guy over in the land of fruits and nuts that really likes ATS and thier clutcheshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Tongue.gif

isn't trans testing throwing everying but the kitchen sink at it to see if it will hold?

isn't trans testing throwing everying but the kitchen sink at it to see if it will hold?


Yes, if it's done one step at a time. Sometimes a 50 thousands pin hole will do more than a larger clutch pack.


mike

Sorry, that last answer was mine. Doug was using my computer friday and I forgot to change the sig.


mike

I was talking about throwing everything at it in the power dept