here is a pic of a 2005 3500 chevy


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this one said the new spec for 05 is 310hp @3000 610tq @1600http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


you need to go to page three at the bottomEdited by: robby

Latest issue of Motor Trend said 310HP and 605 for torque. Could be some truth to it.

Duramax will be on top once again as the champion of diesel trucks... Nothing new for GM to be on top...

Until next week when Ford and Dodge release their #'s.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Love the torque increase but that thing still looks like hell. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

i was thinking it look alittle better than the 04 but not as good as the gmc thats what i ordered

Love the torque increase but that thing still looks like hell. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Although I cannot disagree with you about it still looking like hell, I need to say one thing, at least its an improvement in the rite direction, the more you look at it the more it grows on you, if I had to I could live with it parked in my driveway, what makes me mad is they didn't give the Sierra a hood bulge.Edited by: BuckeyeQuicky

I've seen quite a few of the 2005's on the road here in michigan, and I think they look good. To each his own though.

Until next week when Ford and Dodge release their #'s.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Ford has said they are increasing the torque to a whooping 570 ft. lb. torque. But until the numbers are released, they are all a guess. Who knows maybe Ford will release 625, the Dodge at 640, and GM 650http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Most don't know a thing about torque, so when they see that GM is at 310, all they think is GM is last. Why don't GM bump the ponies up to 325 to match both Dodge, and Ford? Then they can play around with the torque numbershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Does anyone know if they 1st and 5th gear of the allison equipped 2005 will still be limited on power like the 2004.5?

I think part of the problem is the Allision. I'm not sure if they increased it too much that the Allision could handle it over the long haul.

I kind of look at what's been brought up this way.

The 2002HD was by far the best looking p/u on the planet. Period. The '05 is light years ahead in style than the '04s. I've been on the ropes on the '04 wrestling myself to pick one up since the rebates are so good. However since seeing the '05, I have to say, it would be far more reasonable to keep the '05 in my drive than the '04. Shame that GMC didn't get the updated hood, but nothing to do about that.....

As for the HP and torque issues, I can only offer this....

A bad day with a Chevy still beats a phenom day with a Ford (or Dodge). A few extra HP or Torque can be had on our own and even if we don't mod our Chevys, they still, IMHO are a far more rock solid vehicle across the board. The General makes mongo mistakes, but one thing beside that has remained constant....when the stuff works, it really works and has a far better feel and operation than any of it's competitors.

GM soapbox off. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif Edited by: Silvertwinkie

is it just me or has ford and chevy been chasing dodge is the diesel truck business for years now??? I think the solution is simple.. sell your chevy and buy a dodge!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: josh8811

is it just me or has ford and chevy been chasing dodge is the diesel truck business for years now??? I think the solution is simple.. sell your chevy and buy a dodge!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Ford has out sold Dodge in diesel sells in every year that Dodge has had a diesel option. And GM has out sold Dodge sense 2001. So who is chasing whom? It took Dodge 15 years to get to one million Cummins sold. Ford has sold one million in the last 4 or 5 years, and GM has sold more then 1/2 million in the last 4 years. Again, who is chasing whom? The numbers speak for themselves.


I know numbers isn't everything, but you brought it up, not Ihttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Dodge has a pretty nice truck, so does Ford, so does Chevy, and so does GMC. Buy what ever you like and want. Hell for all I care, go out and buy a Nissan.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I personally feel that each really has it's own little niche. I just happen to fall into the GM camp. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

i agree.. it just happens dodge's niche has been power and dependability

i agree.. it just happens dodge's niche has been power and dependability


GM has always been the leader in Innovation. Dodge has never been powerful or dependable in my opinion. Cummins is not a Dodge product. The only reason they put a Cummins in their truck was because Dodge couldn't or wouldn't build anything that people would believe in. If GM bought Cat engines for their trucks would they say that GM is all about great diesels? No, so they built their own great diesel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Hey Josh don't come to a GM site and brag about Dodge its just not cool. Its kind of like the catholic telling the Hindu that his religion is better. You buy what you like and let us do the same.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


P.S Smoked a Hemi last week with my slow Dmax!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: AbsoluteGMC

Absolute GMC:

"No, so they built their own great diesel."

Correct me if I'm worng, but noe of the big three build their own diesel. Ford - International, Dodge - Cummins, GM - Isuzu...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

GM formed a joint venture with Isuzu to develop and produce the 6.6 liter Duramax Diesel. GM plants are building the Duramax diesel.

wanna build an 05? :D


http://www.gmc.com/byo/build.gc?make=gc&makeId=012&year=2005&zip=75081&br and=sierra&model=Sierra&modelId=013&subModel=2500H D&subModelId=31

Ray403Dmax,
it doesn't matter where the ISUZU engineered and designed duramax is build (with Bosch common rail injection, Garret {or who makes the turbo..?} etc. it is still a japanese product and by far better than any diesel GM ever build. GM holds only the biggest part of the Isuzu shares (and also Allison shares...the list goes on). None of the big 3 is selling their own diesel engine and thats a big advantage, all those are good engines made by real diesel specialists.

Ray403Dmax,
it doesn't matter where the ISUZU engineered and designed duramax is build (with Bosch common rail injection, Garret {or who makes the turbo..?} etc. it is still a japanese product and by far better than any diesel GM ever build. GM holds only the biggest part of the Isuzu shares (and also Allison shares...the list goes on). None of the big 3 is selling their own diesel engine and thats a big advantage, all those are good engines made by real diesel specialists.


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Ray403Dmax,
it doesn't matter where the ISUZU engineered and designed duramax is build (with Bosch common rail injection, Garret {or who makes the turbo..?} etc. it is still a japanese product and by far better than any diesel GM ever build. GM holds only the biggest part of the Isuzu shares (and also Allison shares...the list goes on). None of the big 3 is selling their own diesel engine and thats a big advantage, all those are good engines made by real diesel specialists.

It was my understanding that the engine was designed and built as a joint venture and not soley by either company. If correct this would make the Duramax comment not totally accurate. I could be wrong though, so please feel free share anything I may be incorrect about.

If what I read is true, Then GM owns Duramax engine 100%. About a year or so back, GM gave up some of their share of Isuzu in order to have 100% of Dmax Limited which is the Duramax engine devision.


So if this is true, then GM builds and sells their own Diesel engine.

Does anyone know when Isuzu started to produce Diesel engines, I could have sworn I read that they were making them for ships and ocean type tug boats for over 40 years or more.

Prior to the 01 production, I read somewhere that Isuzu has been producing diesel truck engines since the late 1930's. Don't know how true that is, but it would be impressive.

There is an interesting website about Isuzu diesel engines, they made more than 17 million diesel engines since 1936.

Here is an info from the duramax website:

Why Isuzu?

Manufactured in the United States, Isuzu was chosen because of their design expertise, production capability and performance record for building high quality products. Isuzu is a world leader in diesel engine design and development, and has produced more than 13 million diesel engines in the past six decades.....

Q: Is The Duramax engine another "converted gas engine?"
A: No, this engine was designed from the ground up with the most current technology by Isuzu Motors Limited. Isuzu has designed and built high-quality diesel engines for over 60 years....

I am happy that GM choose Isuzu a partner. I have a Jeepney running in the Philippines with Isuzu engine. All Jeepneys overthere running with Isuzu engines (if the people can afford to put them in). This engines are age old (not new) when put into this unique philippine made Ex Army Jeeps and still running forever. But this is no high tech, just simple technology with nothing fancy to break. I wished the duramax would be more stout and less fancy but then it would not make that much power and torque and be that quiet...so there is always a payoff somewhere - but this is a whole other topic..

Frank

Does anyone know if they 1st and 5th gear of the allison equipped 2005 will still be limited on power like the 2004.5?


I am also curious about this - not so worried about the 1st gear thing as the gearing itself will likely get you going if it is limited to the 300/520 numbers but getting that 5th gear up to speed with 2nd through 4th is imparative. Not having full representative power in 5th is like buying a 3 Mhz computer but it will only run at 3 Mhz if its got less than 2 applications open - after that it defaults to 2.6 Mhz to keep the cpu cool enough http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


No answer when the question was posed 1st so I'm bringing it back to the top. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif