Im sure many of you have heard of some people thinking that the LBZ Duramax is the end of the muscle car type era similar to how it was in the 1970's with the legendary High-Horsepowered Muscle cars.

While the LBZ Duramax is an Amazing motor and has set a new high standard in Great running diesels with the most power in a Diesel; it has paved the way for a cleaner running LMM diesel for 2007 which makes even More power while producing less emmissions. (A great achievment for any automaker).

Now, If you base it off of what a MUSCLE CAR Truly is, then you will see how the LMM Duramax is the current King of the Muscle car/truck Diesel Era.

As far as the muscle car era goes, Ive dealt with muscle cars my whole life. Ive had more 1970 chevelles than I can cant with both hands. Not to count all the other years of chevelles, camaros and el caminos Ive restored, raced, and owned...

What defined the greatest muscle cars, (such as the 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 with the most power ever in the muscle car) was the definition of "HAVING THE HIGHEST HORSEPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR"

Prior to 1970, the numbers kept going up and up until at 1970 when the peak power number was reached with the 454 SS Chevelle. The fact of the matter is, they didnt base a muscle car off of what type of exhaust it had, or muffler system, or even smog-type equipment,... they based it off of the Horsepower and Torque POWER Numbers.

If you believe the LBZ is the last of a good thing, then think about that very closey when you consider it the end of the "muscle car type era"...

The "Muscle Car" was defined by the "HIGHEST HORSEPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR" ...

The new 2007 LMM Duramax Diesel has THE "HIGHEST HORSPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR" Ever in a Duramax Diesel with 365 HP and 660 Foot pounds.

Whether the 07 Duramax with the LMM is the peak of the muscle car era, none of us know yet. But the fact of the matter is, as of right now, the New LMM Diesel is the KING of the Diesel MUSCLE CAR era in the competition to have the MOST POWER.

Im just glad GM was able to keep the title of having the most powerful Diesel yet; even into the era of the cleaner running HIGH Horsepowered Diesels of the future in comparison to the Fords and Dodges.

The General Motors LMM Duramax Diesel definately still remains King.

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Im sure many of you have heard of some people thinking that the LBZ Duramax is the end of the muscle car type era similar to how it was in the 1970's with the legendary High-Horsepowered Muscle cars.

While the LBZ Duramax is an Amazing motor and has set a new high standard in Great running diesels with the most power in a Diesel; it has paved the way for a cleaner running LMM diesel for 2007 which makes even More power while producing less emmissions. (A great achievment for any automaker).

Now, If you base it off of what a MUSCLE CAR Truly is, then you will see how the LMM Duramax is the current King of the Muscle car/truck Diesel Era.

As far as the muscle car era goes, Ive dealt with muscle cars my whole life. Ive had more 1970 chevelles than I can cant with both hands. Not to count all the other years of chevelles, camaros and el caminos Ive restored, raced, and owned...

What defined the greatest muscle cars, (such as the 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 with the most power ever in the muscle car) was the definition of "HAVING THE HIGHEST HORSEPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR"

Prior to 1970, the numbers kept going up and up until at 1970 when the peak power number was reached with the 454 SS Chevelle. The fact of the matter is, they didnt base a muscle car off of what type of exhaust it had, or muffler system, or even smog-type equipment,... they based it off of the Horsepower and Torque POWER Numbers.

If you believe the LBZ is the last of a good thing, then think about that very closey when you consider it the end of the "muscle car type era"...

The "Muscle Car" was defined by the "HIGHEST HORSEPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR" ...

The new 2007 LMM Duramax Diesel has THE "HIGHEST HORSPOWER OUTPUT MOTOR" Ever in a Duramax Diesel with 365 HP and 660 Foot pounds.

Whether the 07 Duramax with the LMM is the peak of the muscle car era, none of us know yet. But the fact of the matter is, as of right now, the New LMM Diesel is the KING of the Diesel MUSCLE CAR era in the competition to have the MOST POWER.

Im just glad GM was able to keep the title of having the most powerful Diesel yet; even into the era of the cleaner running HIGH Horsepowered Diesels of the future in comparison to the Fords and Dodges.

The General Motors LMM Duramax Diesel definately still remains King.

Joe,
You know as well as I do that Horsepower and torque are fun..
but not the most important thing in purchasing a truck.
With EFI live out for both LBZ and LMM trucks coming soon, I'm sure anyone has the option to boost power no matter what engine you have.
Seldom do I talk to a duramax ownwer without a programmer or chip.
No matter what, someone will come up with a boost in power for the LMM duramax and I'm sure even the new guys will have fun with them.
Don't worry about a thing... you know me... I'm sure we'll break something..

By the way... How do you think I know your gay???

People always talk about how great those old muscle cars were. The fact is that they are POS compared to the cars they have now. The new cars have the power and efficiency. They also burn very clean. I feel that the new Duramax will be the best one yet. If we had gone to alternative fuels a long time ago we may have not been faced with the emission controls that we have now.

People always talk about how great those old muscle cars were. The fact is that they are POS compared to the cars they have now. The new cars have the power and efficiency. They also burn very clean. I feel that the new Duramax will be the best one yet. If we had gone to alternative fuels a long time ago we may have not been faced with the emission controls that we have now.


I know what your saying but saying they are a POS is a bit harsh. My 68 Camaro is already worth more than my truck.

Joe,

Don't worry about a thing... you know me... I'm sure we'll break something..

By the way... How do you think I know your gay???



:funnypost

Hahaha. Frikken Matt. Yeah I know we will firgure out how to break something with all that power (we always do)

LOL. Hmmmmmmm, must be the same reason that I know you're gay.
BTW, you need to spell "your" like "you're" as in "you are" Matt. haha

:lol:

Oh yeah, Lets get that EFI live goin already and mount those NExus gauges on your LBZ so we can have it ready for my LMM. Get yo ass in gear bro and lets do this.

Irwindale Drag races this week???

I know what your saying but saying they are a POS is a bit harsh. My 68 Camaro is already worth more than my truck.



I agree. I have an original 1971 SS Chevelle that is apprased at $50,000 and it isnt even complete yet.

BTW, I also have a 68 Camaro that Im currently working on as well. Good taste Yaz!

:beerchug:

People always talk about how great those old muscle cars were. The fact is that they are POS compared to the cars they have now. The new cars have the power and efficiency. They also burn very clean. I feel that the new Duramax will be the best one yet. If we had gone to alternative fuels a long time ago we may have not been faced with the emission controls that we have now.

There is no comparison from old muscle cars to todays cars. Fact is todays cars are more expensive to own,repair and upgrade. It gets even worse if you try to work on one of these new cars. So in my opion if I had a choice I would have a old 70 chevelle 454 before i would buy a 2006 "sports car".

Also anyone looking to sell a late 60's or 70 model chevelle? Let me know.

OK not to go off topic here but I was never good at reading between the lines. Is it possible we have someone who is gay here? Or possibly two???

There is no replacement for American displacement.
Seems like with the newer cars the motors are getting smaller and more efficient. No more 8.1L????

I think older muscle car WILL ALWAYS be king,
Thats the whole point, they don't make them anymore. Value goes up!

:funnypost

Irwindale Drag races this week???

Ya, can't get enough of seeing that big ass top-kick haul ass down the track.

I agree. I have an original 1971 SS Chevelle that is apprased at $50,000 and it isnt even complete yet.

BTW, I also have a 68 Camaro that Im currently working on as well. Good taste Yaz!

:beerchug:

I know what you mean Joe, I just sold my 70 442 W-30, 1 - 1737 made in a hardtop. The car was purchased back in 1992 for $6,000. It was sold just recently for $35,000 and it still needed work. My next old car is either a Hurst Olds or a 1968 Buick Riviera GS.

Pete

Here’s a bit of info. The new trucks have the particle filter, which has less restriction than a muffler, but absorbs more sound coupled with the fact that they use a resonator to quite down the truck. If you take the muffler out of the LBZ motor and place a resonator in its place, the LBZ will actually gain more than ten horsepower.

YA KNOW?

not to stir pot...but 360 vs 365 might make the 365 horse motor king if you focus on a peak number...but peak numbers dont always mean much...

im not saying the new motor makes more or less power but i like to look at the overall picture...meaning...from a grand up to 3100 rpms which motor is making the broadest power and torque...i know that finding dynos aint that easy but a comparison of one to another would tell the story better...how do we know a flat spot aint in one of them?...see where im going...im excited for all the diesel tech and advancement and cant wait to see what the future brings...

Love them vettes & el caminos ! Have owned both and just sold my vette to get my duramax :D . The 60's hotrods rocked but I have a buddy that's got a 06 Z06 504hp it is totally unreal what that beast will do !:eek:
Tim

...I have a buddy that's got a 06 Z06 504hp... FYI - That's 505 HP - :D

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Later - D

Have owned both and just sold my vette to get my duramax :D .
Tim

I know what you mean. I recently sold one of my 1970 Chevelles to buy an 07 LMM Duramax.

The sale of that 1970 Chevelle will definately provide a VERY LARGE down payment on the New Fully equipped 07 Duramax!! ;)

I see that I am not the only one with play toys. My wife is ready to kill me if I bring home anything else.

I agree. I have an original 1971 SS Chevelle that is apprased at $50,000 and it isnt even complete yet.

BTW, I also have a 68 Camaro that Im currently working on as well. Good taste Yaz!

:beerchug:

Hey, I also have an original 1971 SS Chevelle...but the body is currently off the frame. Anyway Joe, I think it's great that the LMM is bosting the highest HP and torque figures, but I guess my analogy in the original thread was bit vague. My fear is that we won't be able to do with the LLM and future gen motors what we can do with LLY's and LBZ's. I sure hope there is another 50HP/50TQ or better jump in power ratings in the next couple years to keep things interesting, but I also want to be able to tinker.

If you believe the LBZ is the last of a good thing, then think about that very closey when you consider it the end of the "muscle car type era"...



Not to get into semantics here, but I was referring to the begining of the dark ages of emissions control. That's why I sited 1973 (EGRs), not 1970. Prior to 1973 you didn't have to worry about emission equipment and testing when modding, unless you lived CA.

Hey, I also have an original 1971 SS Chevelle...but the body is currently off the frame.


WOW man thats awesome!
Do you have any pics of your 71 chevelle? I dont have any photos yet of our 71 chevelle SS that Im restoring. The chevelles in my DP Garage are mostly ones that Ive built for customers and sold.

I just finished do a frame off on our 71 SS Chevelle. We are doing a bit more of a modified version though with a stroker motor, fuel cell, and rear tub for huge meats!;)

+5hp and +10 ftlbs.......I'll keep my LBZ and not have a DPF. To me, DPF's (which the LMM incorporates) are the beginning of a new era of diesel emission controls. LBZ doesnt incorporate the new emission control DPF, Soooo I consider the LBZ to be the last year of the great dizzels. Now if were strictly talking HP and TRQ, well then yes LMM's got a few up on the LBZ. But realize alot more than 5 horse and 10 ftlbs can be gained or lost just by changing weather conditions. Just .2

one thing that has been mentioned in this thread is the fact that these new trucks will not only be as powerful as the lbz, but eventually will have the upgrades.... BUT The look and the ride will be 10 times better than what we have now.....that alone constitutes a new purchase IMO...The interiors of the tahoes and 1500's are so much better! it is not outrageous to think the lots are going to be filled with excellent LLY's and LbZ's ripe for the picking.. I think that will drive down the value of our trucks for sure....right now I can't sell mine for $30k.......
Hope to get a new LMM here in a couple months but i bet the dealers are gonna be tight on pricing unfortunately...

The look of the GMC for 2008 is awesome. Not that it would be worth engine issues, but I doubt there will be anything significant to worry about, maybe some early tweaks but that will probably be the extent of it.

I am a fan of the older muscle cars, ( Impalas, Buick, Olds, Pontiac. The newest muscle car I would own would be a 1987 Buick GNX.) but I really love fuel injection. Thats where I would combine the two, and old muscle car/truck running some form of EFI, ( or a DMAX ) and nothing else. I am not trying to start a Carb vs EFI war here, so please don't take it that way. I think the cars nowadays are built for milage, and thats it. I drive a Sunfire, for milage only. As I start to move closer to home in my job, my next vehicle will be a truck!!

I would love a new LMM. I don't think there will be any problems with the emissions on them. They are way more refind compared to the late 70's, and we can thank electronics for this.

Agent614 you finally hit the nail on the head. I agree with you 100%.

WOW man thats awesome!
Do you have any pics of your 71 chevelle? I dont have any photos yet of our 71 chevelle SS that Im restoring. The chevelles in my DP Garage are mostly ones that Ive built for customers and sold.

I just finished do a frame off on our 71 SS Chevelle. We are doing a bit more of a modified version though with a stroker motor, fuel cell, and rear tub for huge meats!;)


Yes. I have to resize the pics. The car is a bit of a mess, and in MANY parts right now. The frame looks good wearing it's fresh powder coat and clear coat. I just took the rear end, and several suspension parts the powder coater last Friday. Picking those up will be a late Christmas present to myself. Once the rolling chasis is reasembled, and the body work is done, I'll be shoe horning a 565 in the front with Kinsler Crossram injection.:D

I've read a lot of discussion about LBZ vs LMM. Anyone here been able to run the two side by side to get a REAL comparison (not just the published numbers)
Dave

Yes the LMM will have a new body style but not only that but a new pprice and quite a bit higher. I heard that the LMM option alone could be 4 - 5k more? :eek: Thats not chump change at least for me. Plus throw in some more for the redesign and also the hogher maint. cost. Its getting alot harder to buy a diesel truck.:(

iam a fan of old buick muscle, especially the 70 gs stage 1.
it made 360 hp and bettered the Ls6 with 520 ftlb.of tork.
and it was .2 faster in the 1/4 than the Ls6. according to
motor trend mag the Ls6 posted an impressive 13.55 in 1970.
but the lowly buick posted a 13.38. the Ls6 was a 450horse
engine but didn't make as much tork as the buick. i also like
the turbo charged gn and t-types i have a 84 t-type with a
653 horse engine. its my other toy.

I agree the numbers look good on the LMM, but I learned a long time ago that peak numbers do not always mean the quickest or fastest. The key is to have as broad a power curve as possible.

30441

Yes the LMM will have a new body style but not only that but a new pprice and quite a bit higher. I heard that the LMM option alone could be 4 - 5k more? :eek: Thats not chump change at least for me. Plus throw in some more for the redesign and also the hogher maint. cost. Its getting alot harder to buy a diesel truck.:(



That 4K to 5K price increase was all early speculation and guessing. Not an accurate price at all.

You are now able to price out a new LMM at Edmunds.com. The price increase is MUCH much lower than that. It is only around a $1600-$1900 increase from the LBZ to the LMM. ;)

Not that bad at all compared to that $5,000 Guess.:eek:

I know what you mean. I recently sold one of my 1970 Chevelles to buy an 07 LMM Duramax.

The sale of that 1970 Chevelle will definately provide a VERY LARGE down payment on the New Fully equipped 07 Duramax!! ;)

:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm sorry, but I don't understand why anyone (unless you were forced to financially, but that would not appear to be the case here) would sell a vehicle that is going to do nothing but appreciate in value to buy one that is going to do nothing but depreciate. But then again, I guess anything is for sale for the right price.

:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm sorry, but I don't understand why anyone (unless you were forced to financially, but that would not appear to be the case here) would sell a vehicle that is going to do nothing but appreciate in value to buy one that is going to do nothing but depreciate. But then again, I guess anything is for sale for the right price.

There is always a few things to consider. Is it nothing more than a trailer queen? If it is sitting in the garage and never gets driven, then why keep it around? It is only worth as much as people will pay you for it. Appraised values are merely for insurance reasons. Remember, these trucks hold their value well. If you want to invest in something, I would invest in real estate over cars anyday. Maybe he will be happier with a new truck, I know I would be.

JMHO.

:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm sorry, but I don't understand why anyone (unless you were forced to financially, but that would not appear to be the case here) would sell a vehicle that is going to do nothing but appreciate in value to buy one that is going to do nothing but depreciate. But then again, I guess anything is for sale for the right price.



That is not so much an issue for me.

I think I can afford to sell one of my 5 chevelles for a new LMM Duramax and not worry about deppreciation. :)

Im sure that most on this site will agree with me that everyone needs a Nice Duramax if they have any type of toys they need to tow.

Plus, I dont think my 1970 Chevelle can tow my other 4 chevelles and my 68 camaro to the race track.;)

There is always a few things to consider. Is it nothing more than a trailer queen? If it is sitting in the garage and never gets driven, then why keep it around? It is only worth as much as people will pay you for it. Appraised values are merely for insurance reasons. Remember, these trucks hold their value well. If you want to invest in something, I would invest in real estate over cars anyday. Maybe he will be happier with a new truck, I know I would be.

JMHO.



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Well said! Thanks WilliamBos.

Yes, what's more fun? 5 Chevelles or 4 Chevelles and a Duramax. HAHA!

:exactly:

Well said! Thanks WilliamBos.

Your welcome. :) I love muscle cars, but when you want/need a new truck if one has to go then so be it. Are you going to line every one of your cars up against the new DMAX at the strip to see what it can really do? ( After engine break-in period of course. )
:p:

:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm sorry, but I don't understand why anyone (unless you were forced to financially, but that would not appear to be the case here) would sell a vehicle that is going to do nothing but appreciate in value to buy one that is going to do nothing but depreciate. But then again, I guess anything is for sale for the right price.


Hey Firefighter, you really running an original 12:5 compression LS7 454 in that Chevelle? I had to chance to buy one new in teh crate a few months ago for $8,000, but prefered to put the $ towards a modern home groan motor. I still want one.

There is always a few things to consider. Is it nothing more than a trailer queen? If it is sitting in the garage and never gets driven, then why keep it around? It is only worth as much as people will pay you for it. Appraised values are merely for insurance reasons. Remember, these trucks hold their value well. If you want to invest in something, I would invest in real estate over cars anyday. Maybe he will be happier with a new truck, I know I would be.

JMHO.


I totally agree with you William, that's what I did with my 442. It was just sitting in the garage, but during the 13 years that I've owned it, I trippled my investment, plus I lost interest so it worked out well.

My new love is diesel trucks and hopefully this summer, I will have the truck of my dreams!

Pete..:)

My new love is diesel trucks.:)


Me too!!

Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than when I mash that skinny petal and hear that turbo whistle.

Horsepower and torque are great stuff but they are only part of the equation as far as what makes a great muscle car.

It's the horsepower to weight ratio that separates the winners from the loosers. It was Duntov himself that proclaimed that 10 lbs per horse was the "magic figure". And that was back in the 50's....

The new Z06 Corvette is a true wonder car due in part to the fact that it's uber engine is only saddled with 3000 lbs give or take. Take that same engine and put it in a '73 full size pick up and you'll find that it isn't nearly as spry. Not to mention aerodynamics simular to that a house.

I, too grew up in the muscle car era and there is nothing quite like a solid lifter, Holley fed full tilt boogie big block with cowl induction!! Those cars were a hoot!

But I also remember running 4.10 gears without the benefits of overdrive, watching that 'ol gas go down FAST.

And a 300 mile trip driving 100mph was challenging, both physically and financially. I live in Texas and there 2 450 horse Chevelles in town and neither was equipped with A/C.

Let me get off my soap box by saying that the cars of my youth were almost like a dream sequence .....from '65 to '70 the cars kept coming out with more HP every year - and they looked better every year up to around '74. Gas was cheap and your car was virtually you're idenity.
But look at the high performance cars of today...They are fairly frugal with gas (all things considered) and most could run the Nurburgring with relative ease - a feat that if tried in a perfectly restored ANYTHING from the original muscle car era just might get you killed. Many of today's V6's run the 0-60 in 6 seconds or less - in family cars that are fully loaded ( heck a new Toyota Camry will tackle 60 somewhere in the sixes).

Yes, I concurr, the old big blocks were truly great, but so are the new muscles!!! Cheers all!! (Sorry for the way too long post).

Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face than when I mash that skinny petal and hear that turbo whistle.


haha... same here man.. same here...


thats my coffee in the morning...

Horsepower and torque are great stuff but
Let me get off my soap box by saying that the cars of my youth were almost like a dream sequence .....from '65 to '70 the cars kept coming out with more HP every year - and they looked better every year up to around '74. Gas was cheap and your car was virtually you're idenity.
But look at the high performance cars of today...They are fairly frugal with gas (all things considered) and most could run the Nurburgring with relative ease - a feat that if tried in a perfectly restored ANYTHING from the original muscle car era just might get you killed. Many of today's V6's run the 0-60 in 6 seconds or less - in family cars that are fully loaded ( heck a new Toyota Camry will tackle 60 somewhere in the sixes).


Agreed! I saw video where one of the performance mags autocrossed a new Honda Odyssey minivan against a orginal 69 or 70 Dodge charger daytona. They brought extra wheels and tires to the test for the minivan because they wanted to see what it would take to close the gap between it and the old race car. Well the minivan was faster with its stock wheel and tire set, never mind the help of performance tires. Suspension tuning has come a long way since the 70's.

Musclecar era cars are legendary. However...

Brakes sucked, reliability sucked, mileage sucked, handling sucked.

I have had 2 late model GM performance cars, a 2000 Camaro, and a 2002 Corvette. Both would get 28+ mpg highway at 70. Both had 6-sp Manual transmissions. The 2000 Camaro would run 12.52 in the 1/4 (tires and tuning, all smog and OEM muffler in place), go 165mph, and cut AutoX times on par with a BMW. The 2002 Corvette would go 11.95 in the 1/4, 175mph, and is one of the best handling cars ever made. Both had 346ci Small Block Chevys that were virtually maintenance-free.

While someday I will find a 68 Z-28 for fun on the weekends, it was not the "best" Camaro ever made by a longshot. Best looking, yes. Best Z-28, not a chance.

Musclecar era cars are legendary. However...

Brakes sucked, reliability sucked, mileage sucked, handling sucked.

I have had 2 late model GM performance cars, a 2000 Camaro, and a 2002 Corvette. Both would get 28+ mpg highway at 70. Both had 6-sp Manual transmissions. The 2000 Camaro would run 12.52 in the 1/4 (tires and tuning, all smog and OEM muffler in place), go 165mph, and cut AutoX times on par with a BMW. The 2002 Corvette would go 11.95 in the 1/4, 175mph, and is one of the best handling cars ever made. Both had 346ci Small Block Chevys that were virtually maintenance-free.

While someday I will find a 68 Z-28 for fun on the weekends, it was not the "best" Camaro ever made by a longshot. Best looking, yes. Best Z-28, not a chance.

I couldn't agree more. I still have my '76 Trans Am that I bought brand new with the last of the 455/4 spds.

It should go in a museum to show how crappy build quality was in the 70's.

I'd rather drive my '06 GXP anyday over the TA.

Muscle cars are way over hyped and the market has gone insane.

While someday I will find a 68 Z-28 for fun on the weekends, it was not the "best" Camaro ever made by a longshot. Best looking, yes.


Not to be anal, but I think you'll have a hard time finding a '68 Z-28.:p:

Not to be anal, but I think you'll have a hard time finding a '68 Z-28.:p:

The "real" Z/28's were made in 67 (rare), 68 (uncommon), 69 (most). They were not advertised at all in 67 so there are less than a thousand built. The 302ci DZ engine is what defines them, and it appears in no other GM ever. Created specifically to compete in TransAm (5.0 liter) racing, it a destroked 327 which was already oversquare, and revs high enough to make a Honda blush. Later Z-28's will come with automatics available are "fake" Z-28's. The 1998 LS1-powered Z-28 revives the Z-28 spirit and proceeds to dominate SCCA Solo2 racing, as well as other forms of competition.

In the computer age, the Z/28 loses the "/" due to the problems it causes with filenames.

Huh. Thanks for the clarification. I thought '69 was the first year for the Z/28 with the 302, but I've been known to be wrong before.

Not to burst anyones bubble,but there is a rumor on another site that the 6.4 is going to have more power than what they are saying. Im personally calling BS because its a highly dominant Ford site, and it is a rumor. But, could be interesting!!!

Only in furds dreams, they don't have a trans. to handle any more power.

Only in furds dreams, they don't have a trans. to handle any more power.

Hey,

I also think they should make sure this will hold together and work well before even thinking of upping the HP & TQ!!

Yea...and the dodge is gonna have a 10 cylinder 700ci motor that will make 2000lbs/tq on seawater at 100 rpm's.

Who gives a crap! There is alot of interesting and useful information on this site but I do not understand the threads that go on and on for pages based on pure speculation. When they put the truck on the lot whether it be the new ford or the new gm's we will then be able to discuss the issues at hand. Untill then leave the fiction writing to the book sellers.
OK...I feel better now.

I couldn't agree more. I still have my '76 Trans Am that I bought brand new with the last of the 455/4 spds.

It should go in a museum to show how crappy build quality was in the 70's.

I had one of those too!!! White with red interior. And the build quality was horrible. The 455 was out of the station wagon series and at a comp ratio of 7.6:1 it really didn't really snap your neck much. I sold it years ago and I don't even think of it much - as a muscle car it was a pretty poor example.

):h You guys are silly.

365HP is "King"? Come on. I predict that LMM engine is going to be a boat anchor with all the crap that's being put on it. I can't wait to see the threads about "blew this code when I monkeyed with the DPF."

Modded LB7s make these new trucks look like go karts. And the LB7, friends, is King.

LMM.....TASTES LIKE CHICKEN ):h

Not to burst anyones bubble,but there is a rumor on another site that the 6.4 is going to have more power than what they are saying. Im personally calling BS because its a highly dominant Ford site, and it is a rumor. But, could be interesting!!!




Yeah I agree with you, I call that one BS too. I dont think the new Ford Diesel will make more power than the 07 LMM Duramax Diesel.

GM will still reamain King in the Diesel Power war with the mighty DUramax!
:cool2:

:eek: Sorry Will, I forgot that little detail, :thankyou2 for correcting me.:D

Got my Trailer Boats magazine today, and they tested the new 08 ford. They say it has 350 HP @ 3000rpm, and 650 lb-ft @ 2000rpm. They also said it was getting 14.2 mpg not towing and 9.4 mpg towing. Most they towed was 9450lbs boat. It was on page 58.

MPG's go to crap in a hurry when pulling.

Check out this video of the New 2007 GM HD trucks. I havnt seen it posted anywhere yet on the DP site, so here is a link for you guys to check it out:


http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid252586680?bclid=253595252



Once at the website, click the link that says "Let the Truck Wars begin". That is where there is a video on the unveiling of the new 2007 HD trucks.

Thanks Joe, great video, I watched the others too.

Hope the situation in Indiana changes soon. ULSD(S15) is not available at most filling stations, they still have only LSD(S500). It will be difficult to travel far if fuel is not available.

the king= HUMMER-ALPHA : LB7 !!! sorry:( 300hp / 520tq. = 125k:rolleyes:

Check out this video of the New 2007 GM HD trucks. I havnt seen it posted anywhere yet on the DP site, so here is a link for you guys to check it out:


http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid252586680?bclid=253595252



Once at the website, click the link that says "Let the Truck Wars begin". That is where there is a video on the unveiling of the new 2007 HD trucks.

I would, if I was not on crappy dial up!! :bawl: