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chevy_9465
12-07-2006, 07:11 PM
What all would be required to make my own twin turbo setup, besides another turbo of course. Im always running into dodge guys with turbos for sale, for fairly cheap. or would it be to big a job for someone that doesnt have a lot of experience in doing it, It does seem like reloacting the coolant tank and fuel filter would be a pain and kinda complicated, i think i could handle the battery. getting oil to the turbo also sounds kinda confusing. Im basically just wanting them to say iv got twins, would the stock gaskets take it? im not looking at being competitive right now, maybe sometime but not now, just thought i might be able to throw a cheap twins setup together.

RickDLance
12-07-2006, 07:13 PM
IIRC, there's a setup in the for sale forum.;)

chevy_9465
12-07-2006, 07:25 PM
Yeah, thats what got me to thinking about it, still a little more than i can spend right now though, but that may be as cheap as it gets

RickDLance
12-07-2006, 07:27 PM
Send a PM and see if he'll work with you.;)

2500hd05
12-07-2006, 08:34 PM
it would be a lot of work. most of it is not real hard, but if you mess it up who nows what could go wrong.

05Smoker
12-07-2006, 09:34 PM
But if you get it right.....


http://video.dieselplace.com/recentvideos/7/fa2b19f3-e96d-42bb-87bf-3b70ab357e58.htm

IdahoRob
12-08-2006, 12:48 AM
Save your dough for the real thing. Everything bolts right up, no guessing. Puts a cc/sb into the 11's. Then you can show you got twins instead of just saying it.

DMAXBOB
12-08-2006, 05:34 PM
If you can afford to have your truck down for however long and afford all the little things that will nickle and dime you to death, go for it. I am not very mechanically inclined but often suprise myself with what I can install, build, or fabricate. Just remeber it will take alot more work, effort, and maybe money to do it on your own. When you buy a kit, your really buying the r&d and experience of the person that designed and built it. But with that said I plan on building my own set within the next couple of monthes just because I think it would be fun and neat to have made my own.

DMAXBOB

01Duramax6spd
12-08-2006, 05:43 PM
I'd like a set too but just don't see spending $3500+ even though I sure like IdahoCTD's setup.

importkilladuramax
12-08-2006, 06:58 PM
or waste you money on that guy out west.
guys with twins
sp33d who won diesel power challenge east-12.6 1/4 mile
importkilladuramax who can't 60ft. for crap 12.43 1/4 mile
Idahorob 11.9 but do you do anything but drag race................I also competed quite well in superstreet diesel sled pulling. Idahoctd maybe better for just drag racing but if you want to pull also my setup might be better. Not trying to take anything away from your trucks, but the man wants cheap twins.......thats my $.02

ecc_33
12-09-2006, 09:34 AM
um speeds from the west coast??? And he didnt win either events

importkilladuramax
12-09-2006, 09:45 AM
your right but he does have the twins from idahoctd...........the point was i was faster

chevy_9465
12-09-2006, 10:09 AM
I dont really think there is such a thing as cheap twins, the thing that makes them cheap or "cheaper" is someone like importkilladuramax buying all the parts and im assuming doing most of the fabbing and work his self instead of buying a premade kit. Like someone mentioned before you are paying for all the time that the person has put into devolping the kit, so doing it all your self doesnt mean your using cheap parts it just helps cut down on the price.

Rhall
12-09-2006, 12:19 PM
your right but he does have the twins from idahoctd...........the point was i was faster

You have a regular cab they both have four doors. If you want to argue that point, what about Jeremy Moss who ran like 12.3's with the Stock turbo. Fuel Only.

Got Juice?
12-09-2006, 01:38 PM
You have a regular cab they both have four doors. If you want to argue that point, what about Jeremy Moss who ran like 12.3's with the Stock turbo. Fuel Only.

And IdahoRob runs 11's..... CCSB 4x4:D Bus since he is faster than Importkilla I guess it was only a small 'oversight':rolleyes: he made.

importkilladuramax
12-09-2006, 02:05 PM
moss has Bd turbo. I didnt start this argument, Idahorob called my twins not the real thing. I ran 12.43 with 1.95 60' those rob and moss prolly 60' 1.6. I said I was faster than sp33d. My truck weighs 6950, crewcab would only help traction. I know you guys hate me, but don't be mad because I didn't spend $6000 And Got Juice if his twins were so great why did you sell your truck?????????

Duratys
12-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Jeremy ran those times on a stock turbo......not the BD.

Rhall
12-09-2006, 04:00 PM
moss has Bd turbo. I didnt start this argument, Idahorob called my twins not the real thing. I ran 12.43 with 1.95 60' those rob and moss prolly 60' 1.6. I said I was faster than sp33d. My truck weighs 6950, crewcab would only help traction. I know you guys hate me, but don't be mad because I didn't spend $6000 And Got Juice if his twins were so great why did you sell your truck?????????

Moss's times were on his stock turbo he has ran better since, im just comparing your reg cab. I don't think anybody hates you, i like everyone with a duramax.:D If your twins were so good why are you selling them??? You want something different, right? So does Got Juice.

-Rob-

chevy_9465
12-09-2006, 04:21 PM
I hope he doesnt want something that differnt:rolleyes:, dern sheep:(

GMC2500HD
12-09-2006, 04:35 PM
I would say talk to the guys that have done it on the Duramax and go from there. There is going to be substantial coin involved but it will be well worth it in the end..

Got Juice?
12-09-2006, 04:42 PM
And Got Juice if his twins were so great why did you sell your truck?????????


Rather than being sour grapes, why not mind your own business?

I sold my truck to start a new diesel adventure. Mine had a lot of miles, and 75% of them towing a lot of weight. With repair costs per mile mounting up to 25% of an ammortized vehicle payment, it was more advantageous to get a new vehicle TAX WISE than sink any more $$$ into my old truck.

So, that should take care of your need for an explaination/justification as to why I sold my truck. As a sidebar, GM did not have the deal for me that Dodge did on this go around. That and the absence of a 6 speed manual made my choice for Dodge a given.

Got Juice?
12-09-2006, 04:45 PM
And another thing Importkilla.

Nathan IS doing a set of Twins for my new truck. There are other good choices out there for a Dodge, but his fit and attention to detail, plus after sale support is second to none.
From my experience with being the first TT Duramax, and first time working with Nathan, I would trust him with the keys to my truck or anything else.

IdahoRob
12-09-2006, 05:22 PM
I didnt start this argument, Idahorob called my twins not the real thing. I ran 12.43 with 1.95 60' those rob and moss prolly 60' 1.6.

Sorry you took my post that way, I didn't mean that at all. I do not know anything about you're twin set-up and think it's great that you built your own set.

IdahoCTD's kit is very nicely done, very streetable, and bolts right up. Fit and finish are amazing. I run full exhaust and drive it everyday. This set-up has performed flawlessly for many miles and 2 full seasons of racing and daily use.

Thanks,
Rob

PS my 60's are low 1.7's

bobo
12-09-2006, 05:31 PM
your right but he does have the twins from idahoctd...........the point was i was faster

?????

I'm confused!

Rhall
12-09-2006, 06:13 PM
?????

I'm confused!

Your not the only one.:rolleyes:

OneTALLGMC96
12-09-2006, 07:01 PM
I'm confused too...

But, WHAT I AM CERTAIN OF: I love my IdahoCTD twins and could not be happier! Furthermore, I think Bobo and others would say the same.

If it were me (because I have been there), I would spend the extra "jack" on an EXCELLENT set of twins.

supatrucka
12-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Yeah, thats what got me to thinking about it, still a little more than i can spend right now though, but that may be as cheap as it getsIf you sell me those door moldings you'ed be $50 richer:cool: . dave

Opie
12-09-2006, 08:54 PM
I'm confused too...

But, WHAT I AM CERTAIN OF: I love my IdahoCTD twins and could not be happier! Furthermore, I think Bobo and others would say the same.

If it were me (because I have been there), I would spend the extra "jack" on an EXCELLENT set of twins.

I too am very pleased with my twins. But then again I knew I would be as IdahoCTD has a very fine track record in that subject. I didn't do twins for quartermile times, rather for the egts. Running 12.04 and faster is easy enough from what I have read lately. Doing so and only seeing 1150*egts is what it's all about. IMO

Got Juice?
12-09-2006, 10:17 PM
moss has Bd turbo. I didnt start this argument, Idahorob called my twins not the real thing. I ran 12.43 with 1.95 60' those rob and moss prolly 60' 1.6. I said I was faster than sp33d. My truck weighs 6950, crewcab would only help traction. I know you guys hate me, but don't be mad because I didn't spend $6000 And Got Juice if his twins were so great why did you sell your truck?????????


Hmm. By the way IKDMX, making your own Twin Turbo setup deserves a lot of credit to you. There is a lot to think about before you undertake a project that ambitious, and my hat's off to you for that. I am a terrible welder and that limits me to building my own setup.

Anyone who can confidently build their own definately deserves credit, if not respect for a talent that I do not posess.:)

sp33d
12-10-2006, 01:03 PM
or waste you money on that guy out west.
guys with twins
sp33d who won diesel power challenge east-12.6 1/4 mile
importkilladuramax who can't 60ft. for crap 12.43 1/4 mile
Idahorob 11.9 but do you do anything but drag race................I also competed quite well in superstreet diesel sled pulling. Idahoctd maybe better for just drag racing but if you want to pull also my setup might be better. Not trying to take anything away from your trucks, but the man wants cheap twins.......thats my $.02

No, I didn't win or compete in Diesel Power Challenge East OR West. I was present at Diesel Power Challenge West and was allowed participation since I made the trip at their request.

My 12.6 runs are at nearly 7000' DA in a crew cab. If your regular cab weighs 6950 you've definitely added quite a bit of weight. I didn't know I should be faster than a regular cab at a lower altitude track.

In the for sale section you say "For the design and build and materials this would cost well over 6grand" so it looks to me like "wasting money on the guy out west" really is cheaper than building your own. Than you say in this thread "don't be mad because I didn't spend $6000" so in an effort to actually help the person that started this thread what should he expect to pay to do this on his own because you've contradicted yourself. I have no idea as I haven't tried to build my own so I'm just taking your word for it. I commend you and anyone else that has as it certainly looks like quite a job.

How many sled pulling events did you end up winning?

importkilladuramax
12-10-2006, 01:47 PM
this thread was to help a guy who wanted cheap twins, mine are offered cheap. I didn't attack anyone until I was attacked, regardless of what his intent was in his comment. This argument isn't going to help this guy. I can't win this argument because I don't have 6 or 7 people backing me. I'm glad you guys enjoy your twins, my dealings with nathan were'nt so pleasant.

I won 3 small local pulls, 8th at terra haute SS, 2nd owensville SS.........I had alot of transmission issues this year. I was quite happy with the way it pulled when there werent any problems. I will make this comment pulling in the midwest with the guys from Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Kentucky is definately harder competition.

05Smoker
12-10-2006, 02:16 PM
It doesn't look good when an admisitrator goes off topic. Please keep the posts about building a cheap set of twins to help this guy out and I won't have to moderate you in the future.:D

No, I didn't win or compete in Diesel Power Challenge East OR West. I was present at Diesel Power Challenge West and was allowed participation since I made the trip at their request.

My 12.6 runs are at nearly 7000' DA in a crew cab. If your regular cab weighs 6950 you've definitely added quite a bit of weight. I didn't know I should be faster than a regular cab at a lower altitude track.

In the for sale section you say "For the design and build and materials this would cost well over 6grand" so it looks to me like "wasting money on the guy out west" really is cheaper than building your own. Than you say in this thread "don't be mad because I didn't spend $6000" so in an effort to actually help the person that started this thread what should he expect to pay to do this on his own because you've contradicted yourself. I have no idea as I haven't tried to build my own so I'm just taking your word for it. I commend you and anyone else that has as it certainly looks like quite a job.

How many sled pulling events did you end up winning?

Got Juice?
12-10-2006, 02:17 PM
this thread was to help a guy who wanted cheap twins, mine are offered cheap. I didn't attack anyone until I was attacked, regardless of what his intent was in his comment. This argument isn't going to help this guy. I can't win this argument because I don't have 6 or 7 people backing me. I'm glad you guys enjoy your twins, my dealings with nathan were'nt so pleasant.



1. Yes, you drew first blood. Came out swinging in fact.

2. You wanted help/info from Nathan on building a twin setup. IMHO he did you a favor by letting you do it yourself and learn how to do it in the process. As was stated a long time ago, why try to get info from the builder for free when he spent his time R&D money on getting it right. You are not entitled to that information or his piping/knowledge any more than the next guy is unless he CHOOSES to help you.

:rolleyes:

05Smoker
12-10-2006, 02:20 PM
You have a regular cab they both have four doors. If you want to argue that point, what about Jeremy Moss who ran like 12.3's with the Stock turbo. Fuel Only.

I don't want to bring Moss into this anymore. We met him up at Terre Haute and he offered us a lot of help and suggestions.

But he does run a BD Super Max. Check his sig and read the article in Diesel Power. Notice the sig says on fuel only, not on stock turbo. He pulls in the street class, not work stock.

sp33d
12-10-2006, 02:27 PM
It doesn't look good when an admisitrator goes off topic. Please keep the posts about building a cheap set of twins to help this guy out and I won't have to moderate you in the future.:D

Sorry :o: Sometimes I forget I'm a staff member. Technically, I didn't "go" off topic... I just continued with the rest... :D Another staff member has already reprimanded me :eek:

The original thread was asking for information on what is needed to build one's own twin turbo setup. Anything not related from here on out will be deleted, even if I post it ;)

05Smoker
12-10-2006, 02:32 PM
What all would be required to make my own twin turbo setup, besides another turbo of course. Im always running into dodge guys with turbos for sale, for fairly cheap. or would it be to big a job for someone that doesnt have a lot of experience in doing it, It does seem like reloacting the coolant tank and fuel filter would be a pain and kinda complicated, i think i could handle the battery. getting oil to the turbo also sounds kinda confusing. Im basically just wanting them to say iv got twins, would the stock gaskets take it? im not looking at being competitive right now, maybe sometime but not now, just thought i might be able to throw a cheap twins setup together.

As you can see this has been debated. If you want a nice clean set up that is proven, you have just eliminated "fairly cheap". That also depends how you look at it. Maybe the price for Nathan's setup is in your ballpark but I'm not thinking that was the answer you were looking for. Importkilla's point was there are other ways to go about it. He has been bad mouthed on here before even though people don't realize what his truck was capable of with homegrown twins, FASS pump and a trans. No he didn't win a lot of pulls but he also ran with the big boys in Superstreet and represented the DMAX faithful well for the money he had invested.

Let us know if you want pics or suggestions and we'll let you know from what we've learned. Or maybe we'll tell you nothing and that will be the biggest favor we can do for you to help you learn???? That's what this forum is all about!

sp33d
12-10-2006, 02:48 PM
So how much did it cost for the setup that is for sale in the classified section? That would be realistically what a person would be looking at investing for their own setup, plus time. If you look at that ad chevy_9465 you'll see a decent list of what's needed to build your own.

Relocating the battery and coolant tank are the easy parts. You shouldn't need to relocate the fuel filter. The difficult part is going to be the piping. There are a lot of curves and angles and everything needs to be fitted and welded. Plan on a LOT of time getting everything together so that it fits correctly.

Oil supply is easy. There's also the oil drain line. You'll need to support the bigger charger somehow as well.

Lots to think about. If you have the time and desire to do it yourself, go for it. Some just like that sense of accomplishment. Honestly, I think you could do it for under $2000 depending on the charger and what you do wastegate wise. Aside from that it's just a couple lines, some piping, and a bunch of time.

Rhall
12-10-2006, 03:12 PM
So how much did it cost for the setup that is for sale in the classified section? That would be realistically what a person would be looking at investing for their own setup, plus time. If you look at that ad chevy_9465 you'll see a decent list of what's needed to build your own.

Relocating the battery and coolant tank are the easy parts. You shouldn't need to relocate the fuel filter. The difficult part is going to be the piping. There are a lot of curves and angles and everything needs to be fitted and welded. Plan on a LOT of time getting everything together so that it fits correctly.

Oil supply is easy. There's also the oil drain line. You'll need to support the bigger charger somehow as well.

Lots to think about. If you have the time and desire to do it yourself, go for it. Some just like that sense of accomplishment. Honestly, I think you could do it for under $2000 depending on the charger and what you do wastegate wise. Aside from that it's just a couple lines, some piping, and a bunch of time.

I read where it says, it would cost over 6000. Maybe it was a mis-type?:rolleyes:

-Rob-

importkilladuramax
12-10-2006, 03:38 PM
7th post drew first blood and I never intended to bash chads truck, this forum is about opinions and whenever someone goes out of the mainstream he or she is ridiculed. This is america and I don't have to agree with what everyone says. This is honestly my last post on this thread. Oh yeah the 6k was a guess if you didn't have a lift pump, if you bought efi, and if you didn't know how to weld. If you can do everything yourself then yeah it would be cheap. Not many people can do everything themselves, I had a whole lot of help on my setup.

OneTALLGMC96
12-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Sorry you feel that way...see ya later.:cool:

IdahoRob
12-10-2006, 04:43 PM
My truck weighs 6950, crewcab would only help traction.

Just weighed my truck today. With very full tank of fuel, hunting supplies, full snow plow mount, assorted add-ons, at least 50# of mud,my crew cab weighed in at 7160 pounds.

Sorry again about post #7. That did sound like a stab, I didn't mean it that way. IdahoCTD twins are much cheaper than 6k.

What happened to your engine?