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Super Diesel

07-24-2004, 11:18 PM

YAHOO!!! 793/1382 and still climbing when I cut it offhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif! I had a spike of 1502! Dodge guys were really pissed. They kept on going in the parking lot and changing injectors. None of the twin powered dodges running N2O except for Richard maddog Maddox could get over 600hp. Richard got up to 780 and blew the intercooler tube off, weld and all! He would have stomped me good if it would have held together. My run will be posted soon. Off to the track to do some damage tomorrow! Thanks every body. ATS crew had a big powwow after the run. Boy that truck is intimidating on full power runs. I got out of it still shaking nevously. Ice was flying out around the hood (it was open) from the manifold, with the water/meth and N2O going in. I though I had a monster. It really is! I hope the tranny holds together for the races. Edited by: Super Diesel

chevmeister

07-24-2004, 11:28 PM

congrats dude give it to them. willing to say what made that big power or is it a secret?

Super Diesel

07-24-2004, 11:38 PM

No secrets. Every one knows what I was running. Best of all, STOCK TURBO, and INJECTShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif. I through at it every thing but the kitchen sink. I will post it all for you after the races. Clint didn't believe it so they did a base run. It came out 15hp lower than my normal. Just #2 I pulled 472/1017. 5350 foot elavation. EGTs peaked at 1300 on the big run. Edited by: Super Diesel

heartbeatcanada

07-24-2004, 11:45 PM

Nice, very nice http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Awesome, and stock TURBO AND INJECTORS lets see a cummins do that...........Job well done Mike, lets see ya crank out a killer slip tomorrow http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

You da man http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Super Diesel

07-24-2004, 11:49 PM

No one could believe it was a 4D dooly. I caught alot of flack, and I'm sure it's not over. I was hopping for low to mid 600s. I hope I don't have to go through the gauntlet like Got Juice did. I had lots of Diesel Place Power Club members there for the witnesses. VIVA DMAX.Edited by: Super Diesel

heartbeatcanada

07-24-2004, 11:52 PM

Was this a dyno jet or mustang?????? ..............Wow, i bet the dodge boys are scratching there heads, and whining http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

baimpala

07-24-2004, 11:55 PM

Super Diesel,

One Word. Awesome! So what do you think it will do if you DO throw the kitchen sink at it? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

duramaxdiesel

07-25-2004, 12:59 AM

Damn those #'s are great. Awesome.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

DMax_Doug

07-25-2004, 01:16 AM

And to think for 2 years I drove around feeling like King of the Road - and was only putting down half what you just did...

Simply awesome, Super D!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

So the next question...are you going to be the first to determine at what power level studing and O-ringing the heads are absolutely necessary on a DMax??

flhrciblueice

07-25-2004, 01:22 AM

Holy chit!!

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Big Bob

07-25-2004, 01:44 AM

Super Diesel, that's a great run. Congratulations! Very respectful. Looks like the Duramax is becoming a force that may set some new limits.

I'm new to this site, and I haven't seen your post on the performance enhancements you are running. For my sake, could you please post them again.

Thank you.

Good job! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Super Diesel

07-25-2004, 02:48 AM

I will post all the mods when its over. It was a Mustang 1750 dyno. I think I'm done building my every day driver now. I would like to build somthing for drag racing though. Never thought I would pull those #s. I don't want to find the point of having to 'O' ring and big stud the thing. Make room for GM, Dodge boys. Time to share. Thanks again every body. I almost for got to tell you all, AC Delco air filter. I forgot to put in the K&N. You will all see the chart was still climbing at shut down. WOHOO!!! Edited by: Super Diesel

Texas Red Wagon

07-25-2004, 04:31 AM

Great job Mike. The 3500's can run too can't they, good luck at the track. Hope the white beast puts down a low number.
Scott

hdmax

07-25-2004, 11:27 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifI know there are many guys here that is wanting the water/meth injection system you are working on. (Myself included) Do you have any tentative date for the grand release?

Thanks!

And a very big congrats for the 800/1400 numbers!

I have heard about some big numbers from Dodge Cummins fans, But I have only seen a couple that were any higher then yours. I think the highest I have seen posted was 803/1500 Looks like the Duramax is ready for the stage right along side the great Cummins.

Where is the 7.3 powerstroke? With its mass, we should see it up there at least close.

Congratulations once again!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

CPMac

07-25-2004, 02:17 PM

Super Diesel way to go. You won't have to go through the gauntlet. Can't wait for the timeslips even though it's going to be hard to harness that hp.

mannytranny

07-25-2004, 05:48 PM

Thats gotta be a record or something!

Are you running a biodiesel blend when you are doing this?

B100? No smoke? Thatd be sweet.

dpower

07-25-2004, 08:39 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifAbsolutely awesome....what else is there to say! Except that it is even more incredible with stock turbo and injectors!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

sdaver

07-25-2004, 09:06 PM

totally awesome..........somebody post a link from the tdr.........Im sure their in denialhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Z71 Grizzly

07-25-2004, 09:20 PM

Go Super Dieselhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif Show em what Duramax's are made of. Watch out Dodge boys

hdmax

07-25-2004, 10:30 PM

totally awesome..........somebody post a link from the tdr.........Im sure their in denialhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I posted over at the ford powerstroke site (http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/ ) And got one reply saying that it doesn't count because the run was not on #2 only.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

I have not found anything posted on the diesel register as of yet. (http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/ )

Regardless how the power was achieved, it is nothing short of spectacular. Remember this was done with stock turbo, stock injectors, no head bolts, no 0-rings, and all stock internal parts. There is no pickup truck diesel in the world that can do this other then the Duramax, at least nothing I have heard of. And until one of the other diesel brands do it, Mike L. is king.

jesshd

07-25-2004, 10:35 PM

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I did not see him run today. If he did, I would love to know what his time was. I did not see the truck move all day. I did see the dyno chart today though. It was still going up when they shut him down.

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hdmax

07-25-2004, 10:48 PM

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Jess; do you know why they shut it down? Was it tached out?

And what`s wrong with your post? It is really messed up.</BLOCKQUOTE>Edited by: hdmax

gary

07-25-2004, 11:14 PM

Based on my own dyno run (I was third in line and Super Diesel was first) the dyno run is complete when you reach the max speed for the rig. In my case I had to run twice since they initially told the dyno to go until I reached 97 MPH. However, with the stock 245s my speed limiter top speed only looked like 95 MPH to the dyno, so I ran again with the dyno set to end the run at 95 MPH.

Since Super Diesel's rig is modified, his speed limiter is much higher than mine.

gary

07-25-2004, 11:23 PM

I posted over at the ford powerstroke site (http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/ ) And got one reply saying that it doesn't count because the run was not on #2 only.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

In which forum and what was your subject, in case I want to peak over there. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

gary

07-25-2004, 11:27 PM

Bronco

07-25-2004, 11:40 PM

hdmax

07-26-2004, 12:03 AM

Jess; do you know why they shut it down? Was it tached out?
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All of the NO2 and water/meth caused bunches of icing on the outside of the intake tract. The fan blew the ice all over.

The dyno operator freaked out and told Superdiesel to cut it.

By looking at the dyno graph you can tell that the numbers were climbing hard. It shut off at 3043 or so. 650RPM to go until red line.

I can only guess what it might have done?</BLOCKQUOTE> Sounds like he may have made 850-900 if it held together that long. 650 rpm is still a good ways to climb. It is really to bad they cut it off. Can you imagine 900/1800 from a pickup truck engine with all stock engine parts? But who knows, it may have blown before that!

Got Juice?

07-26-2004, 12:16 AM

hdmax

07-26-2004, 12:22 AM

Got Juice?

07-26-2004, 12:39 AM

I think 'Shell shocked" is a better description

I really wanna show those guys our aluminum will take it to them!

Super Diesel

07-26-2004, 02:10 AM

The aluminum didn't take it to them at the track. I am sorry to report that the head gasket (or some thing) failed. I was staging and reached over to turn my switches on and the light went green. IBDMAXIN was next to me and bolted! I nailed the go pedal from idle (no boost) and ended up with a 1 sec reaction and a 2.7 60', 9.35 at 87 in the 1/8th and blew the head gasket (I suspect) just past the 1/8th mark to end up with a 111 mph in the end. I am reluctantly posting the time because every one judges the elapsed time, but we must remember this was with no boost and off of idle and a blown (what every one thinks) head gasket at about 1/8 mile mark and a sliping 3rd. 13.8 It was so slow off the line, I just felt like turning off. I have practiced alot with this thing, but it was my first real 1/4 in a 4 wheel vehicle. It came on so strong when every thing started firing, I new it was a garbage run because of the take off and reaction. We must remember also this is in a 7800lbs 1 ton 4D 4WD with me in it. It will go under the knife this week to see what failed. I got it home under it's own power but it wasn't happy about it. With a good driver and it holding together it might have raised some eye brows. I did have the fastest mph for the duramaxes and the street diesels (besides Maddog at 123 and 11.01) I am so sorry I let every one down on the 1/4 run. I will fix it and be back. Awfull hard for the tranny to hold. Clints fastes was at 106 at 12.6. Can any one calculate what this run could have been with a good driver, good reaction and 60' with a non slipping tranny and nothing blown? Boy there was alot of white smoke when it went! Pretty SCARY. Richard Maddog Maddox is no maddog. He's a realy nice easy going guy. I feel all the better getting to now him and his awsome rig. I hope I can match it some day. Thanks to every one for the support all week end. Geno and Betty are awsome folks. Same for IBDMAXIN, Sp33d, Deadeye, Gary, Bronco, HDJess, and every one that tolerated me this weekend. And thats Michael O. (AKA Super Diesel) Edited by: Super Diesel

Super Diesel

07-26-2004, 03:26 AM

Sorry, almost forgot to tell every one. This power was made with a TTS Extreme (way to go Steve cole) Dieseltech from www.ttspowersystems.com (http://www.ttspowersystems.com), and my own designed water/meth set up that is basicly the same as what you can get from Snow Performance (www.dieselsite.com (http://www.dieselsite.com)). Some propane and N2O. It was fun, but lets do this on some one elses truck next time. Just kidding. I'm still game. I could make some more power if needed.

Edited by: Super Diesel

Got Juice?

07-26-2004, 04:20 AM

SD way to push the envelope..... hopefully a turbosystem will help us make power without the C3H8

Mind numbing Dyno though!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

heartbeatcanada

07-26-2004, 08:16 AM

Simply stunning Super Diesel..........what a rush. What was Clint running to get the 12.6?????

baimpala

07-26-2004, 08:37 AM

Super Diesel,

Sorry to hear it didn't hold. I know how excited you were to get a good run. It would have been awesome I know it. You will have your day! I'm anxious to find out what actually happened. It would have been nice to see you take the lot. Don't worry about letting everyone down. We've all already had the moral victory after the dyno run, anyway! There's nothing to do but fix it and run it again! Can't wait to see the numbers when it runs good. GREAT JOB!

Dennis

Super Diesel

07-26-2004, 09:28 AM

Clint was running the new Aruora 5000 turbo and his big injectors. His dyno was 745hp at 1383trq. Every one looses some speed up hear. The thin air takes its toll.

OC_DMAX

07-26-2004, 09:59 AM

Looks like the "HP" bar has been raised by several people over the weekend. Now it is 700 hp.

hdmax

07-26-2004, 11:05 AM

hdmax

07-26-2004, 11:25 AM

Here is a snippet from the diesel register about maddog`s mishap.

"Excellent. I am glad Maddog got to run. When I left at 8:45 his top turbo was DOA. Compressor housing OK, cartridge destroyed (shaft OK) - Turbine blade a bit smaller than is was when it started, and the turbine housing had a bite taken out of it. They were trying to find another turbo and get it to Denver by Sunday Morning (in less than 12 hours)."

This guy also said that maddog beat super diesel on the dyno even though maddog`s truck broke. (Say it ain't so Michaelhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif ) And that maddog`s run was #2 only. If that is the case, that would be the highest hp cummins I have heard about!

Another was not impressed with super diesel`s truck because he had a bad showing on the track.

The way I see it, maddog would of had a really bad showing had his waited until the track as SD`s did. timing is everythinghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

DMax_Doug

07-26-2004, 11:40 AM

At these power levels (>700rwhp) things can start coming apart, regardless of make.

I think maybe I jinxed SuperD yesterday when I joked about him finding the threshold where studded heads are needed...Sorry Mike!

Given SuperDiesel's past engineering accomplishments, my bet is the head problem will be diagnosed and fixed such that this won't be a likely failure point going forward.

Keep up the cause Michael - we're all behind you.

Doug

Bronco

07-26-2004, 11:41 AM

The one thing I noticed. 99 % of all trucks did not get good traction. Even the trucks that thought they were getting good traction were not. Yep even Clint in his 4 wheel drive tall tired Dmax. He was consistent but was hanging on for his dear life. All the diesels even when in 4 wheel drive had tire spin. Some out past 120 feet. It was very faint but I still could see the tires spinning.

The one truck that hauled all the booty(maddog). Low elevens. He had good traction. He was running some type of 17 or 18" rim with some lower profile wide tires. They had a street type of tread. They looked like a seminormal truck tire from a distance, but what I saw was a set of sleepers. When that guy launched in 4 wheel drive, his truck squated just a little in the rear and then he was out of there. It stayed straight and hooked the entire track. It was pretty damn impressive to see a low 11 at 6200 feet elevation with a street truck. Good traction.

gary

07-26-2004, 11:56 AM

I watched these tires being installed on Maddogs rig Saturday. They're on 20" rims. I think they were 305/60R20 Toyos and they were definitely of the grip the pavement variety.

Diesel Power

07-26-2004, 12:06 PM

Congrats SD... Great job!!

Mike L.

07-26-2004, 01:18 PM

SD

Will you be coming down here to So. Cal. in Sept. for the sled pull? Love to see your Duramax. Congrats on the #'s.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

mike

Super Diesel

07-26-2004, 01:36 PM

Moddog never got a # to beat me. Clint told me that after they fixed the turbo, they tried again and it destroyed the whole turbo this time. He said he got up to 780 again and it blew. This was with N2O on his truck. I am going to try to make it Mike. Funds are pretty depleated though. Trucks got to get fixed first though. Thanks Nick and Mike. I don't think you jinxed me Doug. I think I have found a weak point, but at 800 HP what does hold together? With STOCK TURBO, and INJECTORS mind you. The Dmax is truly awsome.

Crawler

07-26-2004, 02:18 PM

MADDOG's old set-up got him a dyno of just over 800 RWHP on Diesel only and a 11.0? 1/4.

We'll see just where he can take this set-up.

Congrats on the power SD, I hope a headgasket is all it is. If so then its easily solved.

It'll be interesting what the diesel competitions are going to bring in the next little while.

hdmax

07-26-2004, 02:32 PM

Just a few days ago I predicted 800 from the duramax before the end of the year. I didn't think it was going to be the same weekhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Guess I'll have to get in to making predictions for moneyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

VFRRider

07-26-2004, 04:31 PM

I am reluctantly posting the time because every one judges the elapsed time, but we must remember this was with no boost and off of idle and a blown (what every one thinks) head gasket at about 1/8 mile mark and a sliping 3rd. Awfull hard for the tranny to hold.

I think were seeing the limit of the ATS Trans, I suspect the Suncoast would also cry uncle at almost 800hp. There has always been that "how much will they hold" question, I think we'll start to see answers as more trucks approach "ludicrous speed". (name that movie)

My .02

3-Fan

07-26-2004, 04:37 PM

Space Balls http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Deadeye

07-26-2004, 05:17 PM

Here is a snippet from the diesel register about maddog`s mishap.. . . .

This guy also said that maddog beat super diesel on the dyno even though maddog`s truck broke. (Say it ain't so Michaelhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif ) And that maddog`s run was #2 only. If that is the case, that would be the highest hp cummins I have heard about!

. . . . .

Michael was the first in line in the morn ( I was second and all there remembered me for a smoked clutch http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif ) and so the vast majority of them were not even present for the run. There was a lot BS going on by the 'sheepheads' all day long. Not many Ferds showed up. . . Maddog was a nice fella. Told me a bit about his toy. The 'club' was all there, with many others standing around when his parts went flying, folks ducked their heads, and some got sprayed with a little coolant . . many were standing WAY too close for such a risky setup. BTW, everyone in the bldg was breathin a ton of black smoke http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif. He did not beat Michael on that run . . . most folks left right after inspecting the carnage . . .

Talk about a really fun day!! Hope next time more of you all can make it. . . Edited by: Deadeye

baimpala

07-26-2004, 06:33 PM

sp33d

07-26-2004, 06:52 PM

"It was fun, but lets do this on some one elses truck next time."

Hmm...

dmaxalliTech

07-26-2004, 07:05 PM

Well, At least your far enough away Chad that I wouldnt have to fix the carnagehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

sp33d

07-26-2004, 07:35 PM

"Well, At least your far enough away Chad that I wouldnt have to fix the carnage"

We have a flat bed and you're the only "GM Certified" tech that gets to see my engine! BTW, thanks for putting up with the calls this weekend. I know I was a PITA so I appreciate you putting up with me.

Super Diesel

07-26-2004, 08:58 PM

Let the Dodge guys believe what they want so they will feel better. They are holding on to a title that is slipping away. We are starting to come into our own now. We now know how to make it. Who wants to drive around in a truck that makes 800hp consantly on only #2. Not me! I've been there and I know what it is like. Things happen very fast. 500 to 600 is awsome on the street in our heavy trucks. Most would probably kill them selves with that kind of power on tap. I was told that I'm not alone, and others have already reached this point with the Dmax but want to keep quiet. Thats a real pitty. It's called repressed technology. I for one believe we are striving for a common goal. Information. I will not repress mine so who ever they are will not be alone any more. I would like to see another dyno sheet that is not tampered with though. We need some more Ginea Pigs out there.

PEANUTGRWR

07-26-2004, 09:20 PM

I was told that I'm not alone, and others have already reached this point with the Dmax but want to keep quiet. Thats a real pitty. It's called repressed technology. I for one believe we are striving for a common goal. Information. I will not repress mine so who ever they are will not be alone any more. I would like to see another dyno sheet that is not tampered with though. We need some more Ginea Pigs out there.

I COULDNT AGREE WITH THIS MORE SUPER DIESELhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

AND THANK YOU FOR NOT HOLDING BACKhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

geno

07-26-2004, 10:09 PM

In case you guys don't know it Maddog's truck is a ford and the engine is the 2 valve. He is a hell of a nice guy after you get him to talking. Kinda quiet. It was really envoyable to watch the Dodge boys walk up to the board an look at the #'s . like they lost there best friend. Way to go Mike and thanks for putting up with Betty an I. We had a wonderful time an looking forward to the next one.

Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

hdmax

07-26-2004, 10:35 PM

The Cummins guys have went unchallanged for so many years that most of them have no idea how to react.

I'll never own a jap engine with aluminum heads!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif How many times have we heard comments like that one?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif Well 800 hp later, and we have pretty much caught the competition. Thanks one more time super diesel.

Here is my prediction about 800 hp. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12188&PN=1 it`s 1/3 way down.Just 2 days before a 793 and climbing. (Closer to 36 hours) (why did the dude cut it off? I am sure we would have seen 840-860 before the head gasket wenthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: hdmax

Got Juice?

07-26-2004, 11:04 PM

Time for some to O-Ring and Stud.

Super Diesel

07-27-2004, 01:19 AM

He cut me off because he thought I had a N2O leak or something. He was waving his arms in a panicking way to shut it down (maybe he knew I had already passed Clints #s, not good for business). I shut the water/meth off at the same time to so it might have been higher if I knew what I was doing. Like I said, this set up hasn't been fine tuned yet. There is more where that came from. It sure suprised the hell out of me. I never imagined. I support what Clint does. He is quiet about his work because it is a cutthroat world out there. He has a good thing going and he works hard for it. He has done good things as well for our diesel technology, just like Steve Cole. His turbos are a good thing for us. Make no mistake. His set up and mine, I see 1000 being breached if the motor could take it.

ratlover

07-27-2004, 09:08 AM

We need some more Ginea Pigs out there.

This a calling to arms?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif I'm gamehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

hdmax

07-27-2004, 09:22 AM

super diesel wrote "I see 1000 being breached if the motor could take it."

Wow! not that is a statement, but coming from someone that just put down 800 with 650 rpm left, I tend to believe you Michael O.

I'll have to sit on the side line and be a cheer leader seeing that I have no money for this. Unless I would win the Ohio Lottery.Then you can bet I'll be with you. Probably with all brands thoughhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

IBDMAX'IN

07-27-2004, 12:00 PM

Keep in mind that Michael got cut off and he is running a dually!!! He has to turn more weight and that also cuts his HP #'s.....Let's see him take off those 33's and put some stockers back on like all the dodge guys were and run only one wheel in the back instead of two. He would have cranked out close, if not above 900 on that run. By the way SD it was a joy to see you come flying by me at half track as if I were standing still.....Although kicking your butt off the line was pretty rewarding considering I was shaking like a leaf in a wind storm!!! All in all I think Mike would have taken the show with his dually had he not had the worst start of his life, could you imagine 2500RPM off the line building 20lbs of boost!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifHe gives a whole new meaning to lock it and rock it!!! I have no doubt he would have been well into the 11's maybe 10's had he got the launch. We also have to keep in mind that every body there running in the 12's couldn't catch grip, SD has 6x6......trust me, I've been in his truck for a launch just on the propane and it was a rocket ship!!! and that was without the NOS and water meth!!! he'll get his truck back together and when he hits the track it's gonna be a record breaker I'm sure.

IBDMAX'IN

07-27-2004, 12:05 PM

Hey SD,

I forgot to post this but I know of a really good test dummy that lives really close!!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Maxter

07-27-2004, 12:08 PM

SD:

You're probably not setting any codes because the ECM has run out of codes to set at that power level... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

We're gonna have to invent some new ones to display on the DIC.

P0663 : Ready for take off, emergency exits on the left and right

P0664 : Head gasket blowing stay clear

P0665 : More air needed, sucking cabin air, get ready for pure vacumm in 5 secs.

P0666 : You're going to hell in 10.8 seconds @ 134 mph

Good luck with your next experiment. Stay clear of nuclear fision, they haven't got that one yet...Edited by: Maxter

IBDMAX'IN

07-27-2004, 12:12 PM

LOL!!!! He'll have to put caution tape around his air box that says: "Caution, may inhale small childeren"

Super Diesel

07-27-2004, 12:34 PM

grasshopper

07-27-2004, 12:47 PM

you know what, who really gives a ***** what they think! The way I look at it is they won't have time to think, cause they will be to busy scratching there heads when they witness a good solid pass down the track, or another death defying run on the dyno!

Derek

king d

07-27-2004, 01:26 PM

very nice run super diesel,i haveing some custom rods built that you may be interested in, you are right at the point of rods starting to fold over and cause a major increase in your cubic inches.once again congrats

sp33d

07-27-2004, 03:24 PM

ROFLMAO @ Maxter

baimpala

07-27-2004, 03:49 PM

Maxter,

Funniest post I've read in a long time.

Dennis

Deadeye

07-27-2004, 04:05 PM

Deadeye

07-27-2004, 04:23 PM

Geno and Betty took this and two others which they e-mailed to me to up load. still working on it. . .

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/SD_Dyno_chart_1_.jpg

Edited by: Deadeye

Deadeye

07-27-2004, 04:29 PM

Let me know if these are not posting ok. they work ok on my machine. . .

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/SD_Dyno_chart_2.jpg

Deadeye

07-27-2004, 04:33 PM

Hope this is a little easier to read:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/SD_Dyno_chart_3.jpg

ynot

07-27-2004, 06:37 PM

The Dodge guys running dyno mules use standard stuff. 12 valve= p7100 pump maxed ($1500-$4500), staged turbo's ($3500-$12,000), Stage III to V injectors ($600-$1600), ported heads, tubing, etc w/ o-ringed and studded block ($2000-$3500), twin t-pumps, etc. 24vlv= p7100 add-on ($5000), rest is the same. Can't bust 600 by much without all of it. Upper 5's for $5000 or so. Head lifts at around 550hp without upgrades, and can't mix N2O & propane. Valves float around 3900r's. Won't see many Gen III's (HPCR) getting big numbers either. Not enough cubes, regardless of electronics... Add ons for the too cool "Maxter list"-

PO662 Hard hat and safety glasses required for viewing.

PO667 Sub-orbital flight suit required ...T

Fingers

07-27-2004, 06:59 PM

Er-humph. About that 6000 + ft pounds of torque....

geno

07-27-2004, 07:30 PM

Look at the graph, The spike is when he hit the power switches. Had so much going into it the nozzles iced and started blowing ice every where. The operator paniced and told Mike to shut it down 600 plus RPM left to go. If this had not of happened we would of seen over 800 h/p. That truck pulled so hard it was scary and it was loud. It was Mike's day an no one can take it from him. Stock injectors and turbo. Funny part was he made most of the water/meth injection system himself. He should put it on the market and call it ICER.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

gary

07-27-2004, 10:24 PM

Er-humph. About that 6000 + ft pounds of torque....

I'm not sure what units that's in, and that page doesn't say. One of the dyno operators said it was some sort of internal unit used by the dyno. The page to look at is the one that plots HP and torque agains engine RPM.

Fingers

07-27-2004, 10:40 PM

Actually it does say the units in the lower right just above the camera's stamped date. I'm willing to accept that it is a uncorrected/unscaled number. Might be the torque on the roller or some other dyno shaft.

Bronco

07-27-2004, 10:44 PM

The boys at the TDR said they wern't to impressed, same at the DieselStop because the Dmax was using drugs. Don't those guys have to use upgraded injectors and turbos (plus custom internals) WITH drugs to acheive those numbers? Maddog is the only one I have ever herd of getting to 800 with out drugs, and at sea level. Wonder what ours would do with the reaserch into them like those trucks have? Were there weather they like it or not.

Injectors, Turbo of choice, Twin Turbos, CAMSHAFT, pistons, head work, cylinder block maching,blueprinting, ect.ect!

Weight till a Dmax gets a bigger stick and a larger combustion chaber. Better watch out.

IBDMAX'IN

07-28-2004, 12:22 AM

The dodge guys are just pissed because they can't throw all the drugs at their trucks without a hug explosion!!!! Can't say much else about that......except Michael wasn't the one changing his injectors in the parking lot of ATS trying to get bigger #'s

He came, He saw, He kicked some cummins ***

Way to go Michael!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Big Bob

07-28-2004, 01:15 AM

Hey Got Juice?

Weren't you the guy that did 544HP at PDR and you got a bunch of BS from some of the member on this site saying it wasn't so?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1055&PN=1&TPN=1

I am happy to see someone else backing up what you claim in October of 2003!

My brother has a Duramax, he will love this! I'm happy for you guys and the Duramax! Keep pushing the limit, it will be fun to see where it ends!

600+duramax

07-28-2004, 01:19 AM

Congrats Super Diesel glad to see a duramax putting up those big #'s. When you have that bad ass truck taken apart you should look into some rods I just had my motor that I windowed about 2 months ago finally taken apart and all the rods where bent well the ones that where still in one piece and I also had 2 cracked pistons. I was hoping on sending one of the rods out to have some stronger ones made but I don't think they will be able to use any of them. I think with a turbo and injectors there would be some very unhappy dodge owners out there even though there already is Hey and don't worry to much about what those dodge guys think most of them will never be impressed.

Super Diesel

07-28-2004, 01:54 AM

Good to hear from you 600+duramax. I haven't seen you around for a while. Well we now which motor is the better builder now as far as who can go how far with stock. I am going to stick in the heavy duty head studs. Do you think that the heavy duty rods are in order at this time?

Burner

07-28-2004, 05:45 AM

600, at what point did the motor pop? What were you doing?

sdaver

07-28-2004, 07:08 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/F4E_red-matallic-logo1.jpg<font size="6">uperdiesel</font>

I think this is very appropriate and would be honored to share.........Put the competition on ICE with mikes water/meth Injection.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

HoustonDMax

07-28-2004, 08:24 AM

Super Diesel, question while you are sharing. May have already answered, but I forgot.

Stock fuel system; pickup, lines, liftpump, etc., or have you modified any or added a lift pump?

Thanks!

PEANUTGRWR

07-28-2004, 09:10 AM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/F4E_red-matallic-logo1.jpguperdiesel

I think this is very appropriate and would be honored to share.........Put the competition on ICE with mikes water/meth Injection.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

WHAT AN HONORhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif GOOD JOB ONCE AGAIN SD

CHILLIN ON ICEhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

sp33d

07-28-2004, 10:02 AM

"Stock fuel system; pickup, lines, liftpump, etc., or have you modified any or added a lift pump?"

Correct me if I'm wrong Mike. He has a completely stock fuel system other than a lift pump which he uses only when making the 800hp dynos/track runs. I'm not sure if that was just to be safe or if he found himself in need of fuel at that power.

Micheal Tomac

07-28-2004, 11:04 AM

Super Diesel http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

DSTRBD

07-28-2004, 12:59 PM

I will second thathttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Super Diesel

07-28-2004, 01:39 PM

Right on Guys! Thanks so much sdaver, that is awsome. The honor is mine. I just wish I could add that to my avitar. Thanks mtomac. Lift pumps only. Two of them. A 6.5 for regular running and a "T"ed in Carter P4600hp for the dyno and runs. They work in unison when I have every thing on. Trippins fuel pick up aswell. DSTRBD, thanks man. Edited by: Super Diesel

White Duramax

07-28-2004, 02:07 PM

Nice job SD you did what no one else has really successfully done yet. I guess someone has to be the guenia pig! Is the water/meth a dual nozzle system? What about the nitrous single or dual stage?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Got Juice?

07-28-2004, 03:53 PM

The NWBombers to a man think that Run was nothing short of AWESOME!

Some TDR members... well, what can ya say.... after all , their alphabet stops at the letter C

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

ratlover

07-28-2004, 04:12 PM

What kinda boost did you peak at or do you recall?

grasshopper

07-28-2004, 04:25 PM

Some TDR members... well, what can ya say.... after all , their alphabet stops at the letter C

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif hahahahahaha!

Hats off to you SD!!!!!!

Burner

07-28-2004, 06:47 PM

..... I may be mistaken.... but I think that run would pass most emmission tests. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Super Diesel

07-28-2004, 07:46 PM

It is pretty clean running on the N2O. I saw about 30psi of boost. It is a dual nozzle set up in the water/meth. The N2O is a singe shot. I run it very large. The water/meth I have shooting in at about 220 psi. YAHOO!!! WERE THERE!!! Useing stock stuff thoughhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif!

Got Juice?

07-28-2004, 07:47 PM

So let me get this straight.

Your exhaust smelled like FRENCH FRIES COOKING IN CRYSTAL METH?

Super Diesel

07-28-2004, 07:52 PM

Very funny Juice.

hdmax

07-28-2004, 08:12 PM

This is what Maddog is saying Michael

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First run 2200rpm's 98lbs of boost blew off discharge elbow 805 horsepower, and at that point the horsepower line was going "straight" up. Second run 2400rpm's 109lbs of boost blew off line from big turbo into the small and also damaged small turbo. 878 horsepower and the line was still going straight up. http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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Amric

07-28-2004, 08:18 PM

If that is true, he is putting down more than 1900ft-lbs. I wonder how his tranny is holding all that.

sp33d

07-28-2004, 08:42 PM

Maddog's numbers may be accurate. I don't have a copy of his dyno sheet but I thought it was around 780hp when the line blew off... I could be wrong though. It was still going up when the line came apart but so was Mike's when the ice chuncks scared everyone...

No doubt about it that Maddog would have had the biggest numbers had he not had the problems. I guess this was his first dyno run since the new engine so problems are expected. Nothing can be taken from that truck as it's simply incredible. If it was on #2 only (I've heard yes and no) that is even more incredible. I'm glad I got to see it in action, regardless of the results.

The numbers seem to have been distorted quite a bit already... I've read four seperate sets of numbers on the TDR site already, all seem to be high. I trust Maddog though as he's the one with the dyno sheet in his hand. If he can get the kinks worked out and keep things together, that thing's gonna make some power!

Even if Mike did come in second for the day he was at least 150hp above the next closest dodge(!) and only got beat by a fully tuned and built from the ground up engine.

BTW, I believe Maddog's tq reading was in the high 1700's on the first run...Edited by: sp33d

Amric

07-28-2004, 09:29 PM

805HP * 5252RPM / 2200RPM = 1921ft-lbs.

878HP * 5252RPM / 2400RPM = 1921ft-lbs (coincidence??????)

I also thought it was around 1700, but that would only come out to 712HP.

sdaver

07-28-2004, 09:41 PM

that higher math always confuses me............super diesel.......shrink it down and use it.........dave

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 12:22 AM

I saw the first reading my self and it was definitly only 781 the torque was in the 1500 though. I looked at the computer on the dyno myself. Clint told me that he had made 790 later that night before it blew. Yes, he has N2O on it. His truck is a fully modified diesel dragster. Mine is only stock with a few amenitys on it. The closest the other twin turboed N2O runnin Dodge got to me was at 585 and about 1270fpt. If my motor had as much reserch into it as Maddogs, who do you think would win hands down with no questions. Think about it folks, I was compeating with the most powerful Dodge that I know of in the world for top honors. I like Richard Maddog Maddox, but lets see him do that with a stocker. If you read this Richard, when are we doin lunch. I had no doubt that he would blow me away. I told him to leave some of the rollers in the machine for later. Great Guy.

sp33d

07-29-2004, 12:31 AM

From Maddog at TDR: "First run was 805hp @2200rpm's 98lbs of boost when the discharge elbow flange broke, at that point the horsepower graph was going straight up still. Second run 878hp @2400rpm's with 109lbs of boost when the 4" boost boot from the big turbo to the little blew off and also damaged the B1 on steroids. Oh and the horsepower graph was still going straight up."

I wonder if we could get him to post a copy of those dyno sheets? I don't have a membership over there... And the dyno sheet would clear up the confusion on both sides.

He was also using a .040 jet. Not huge but it's not #2 only. Good to see that even the Cummin's guys use the good stuff on occasion.

If Maddog lightened that beast up a bit, he'd break into the tens no questions asked. Heck, he may be catching that dragster before long http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Burner

07-29-2004, 12:32 AM

I t would be nice to see what did or didn't get squished in the motor @ 781 & 1,500 ft. lbs. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 12:33 AM

sp33d

07-29-2004, 12:38 AM

"excluding the trans"

As far as I know, the other brands invest a lot in the trans at those hp levels too. A full DTT tranny (like Maddog is running) runs $4000-5000.

Was it the passenger side head Mike? Getting the studs locally?

Burner

07-29-2004, 12:50 AM

Was it around #4? I think......

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 12:51 AM

Don't know which side (I think the passenger). I am having some made up. I will make some of my own later. I need to know the Rockwell on these new ones compared to the old ones. Looking into rods as well. Lets get competitive. This way I can get a little more serious at the dyno and the track next time. I know how to make it now and there's still alot of room left. Need a doner truck though. Edited by: Super Diesel

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 12:58 AM

Maddog had a really nice and concealed rollcage in his truck. Myby worth a look MTomac. Ready for the 10s?

lly101

07-29-2004, 10:32 AM

Good job SD. I'm working on a water/meth injection kit that should be killer - lot more control & other things. Interested it talking to you about some R&D when you get up and running again

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 11:51 AM

Good to hear lly101. The only thing that is a problem right now is the pressure of when the mist turns to steam in the combustion chamber. Thats what blew the head gasket. The pressures are astronomical. Edited by: Super Diesel

BigDaddyT

07-29-2004, 11:59 AM

Last I heard maddog was running a bts tranny.

"Won't see many Gen III's (HPCR) getting big numbers either. Not enough cubes, regardless of electronics"

Quadzilla hit 620 on a third gen w/drugs over a year ago. Edited by: BigDaddyT

DSTRBD

07-29-2004, 12:13 PM

Maddog is running a BTS trans, not DTT.

mattymac

07-29-2004, 12:35 PM

"Won't see many Gen III's (HPCR) getting big numbers either. Not enough cubes, regardless of electronics"

Quadzilla hit 620 on a third gen w/drugs over a year ago.

Yeah over a year ago, there has been alot of new stuff developed since last year!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

mattymac

07-29-2004, 12:41 PM

At any rate any one of us can build this kind of a monster for about 1/8 the price any one else can in the other brands (excluding the trans). It does look like the head gasket went. I called on some stronger head studs today, but my call wasn't returned. I'll try again tomorrow. I can't quite remember, at what Hp level does the Dodges head gasket gohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif? HMMM lets see now, I was at 793+ at 30psi of boost. At 109psi I would have been at ......

On the dodges the stock head gasket can stand anywhere from 50-60 lbs, depends on timing and aggresiveness of fuel delivery low to mid 50's safely.

As for a D_max at 109lbs of boost I honestly dont think the internals would hold stock or not, as for power at that level, if it did hold it wouldnt be to shabby even for a bigger displacement V8.

Micheal Tomac

07-29-2004, 12:57 PM

Is Maddogs' crank, pistons & rods factory stock to hold 109# of boost along with spraying nitrous? I know his valvetrain, head studs and head gaskets aren't stock. Does he run a girdle?

sp33d

07-29-2004, 12:59 PM

"Maddog is running a BTS trans, not DTT. "

My bad. I've read that several times so I don't know why I was think DTT. Too many out there I guess.

It'll be interesting to see where the third gens go. I've seen a few in the 500-700 hp range. Didn't know quad had made that kind of progress.

Maxtech

07-29-2004, 01:19 PM

lly101

07-29-2004, 01:24 PM

DS - We are aware of the huge increase in pressure because of water but with a little more control we hope to take advantage of the other efects as well. A lot more drive energy, lower egts etc but you probably know all this. Now as far as head gaskets go - with HP numbers like that something has to give somewhere so where do you really point the finger. More like which straw broke the camels back. However I do believe that the cooling and drive energy efect of water play a big part in HP numbers. I've actually seen 127rwhp increase with just bug washer fluid and I'm not done yet. The egts also stayed in check - the difference between having to back out or around 1300 on last test. Also as we see more trucks with egrs I think the water will play an even bigger part. egr = higher egt

Burner

07-29-2004, 01:25 PM

Hey, SuperD......... you need money for parts? Got some crazy via~ TDR that says you're running TWINS.........

Bruce, give him a large portion of that pie or ask for more cabbage on the flip......... it'll be there.

PEANUTGRWR

07-29-2004, 03:31 PM

I was just told by a TDR vendor that this particular Dmax(superdiesel) is running twins (turbos that is) ...what happenened to it being stock turbo....or is it two stock turbo's.....the TDR gentleman said he's willing to put cash on this bet so I need some lunch money.

PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN AND TAKE A BREATHERhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

JRmac

07-29-2004, 03:42 PM

jesshd

07-29-2004, 03:51 PM

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sp33d

07-29-2004, 04:24 PM

I'm up for that bet too! Turbo (notice singular) is 100% stock. I find that this is getting more and more amusing by minute.

Amberjack

07-29-2004, 04:46 PM

Excuse my ignorance....but can someone explain in basic terms how this water / meth thing works?

Bugjuice? Guess that exhaust would take care of my mosquito problem!

ratlover

07-29-2004, 04:58 PM

You squirt windshield washer(a water methonal mix, some use washer fluid) fluid into your motor at a fairly high pressure. The methonal acts like a fuel and adds a bit of O2. The water cools the motor but it also builds a bit of power because as the water turns to steam it expands too. Most say run a 50/50 mix as the absolute max but a more conservative mix is ussualy used by most in the 75(water) 25(meth). Windshield washer fluid is in most cases around 75 25 mix. If it is injected at too high a rate or too early in the rpm or before the motor is hot enough the water will cool the chamber down to a point were power is lost and if enough is dumped in there even worse. Set ups vary quite a bit and how its activated and how many/what kinda nozzels and what kinda pumps and if its variable.......

That the basic jist guys???

You need some stickers that say "Congrats! You just got your ass handed to you by a 7500# dualy running on peanut oil and windshield washer fluid" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: ratlover

DSTRBD

07-29-2004, 05:42 PM

Now that would be a cool sticker.

geno

07-29-2004, 05:58 PM

Maxtech

Take the bet, I was there and I got photo's. He probably one of those that can't stand to see his kind beat.

Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

duramaxtom

07-29-2004, 06:25 PM

when water turns to steam it absorbs heat and energy rat lover, so that's not exactly right. What is happening is by absorbing this heat in the chamber, you avoid the death knock and thus are able to crank in more timing and fuel. Also, meth has very little O2 by weight, the bulk of the o2 is from Nitrous.

Tom

dpower

07-29-2004, 06:28 PM

According to mattymac...we are all DURACRAP DUMMIES!! Thats sraight from the TDR, in the competition forum. Also they are saying that superdiesel finished his dyno run and wasn't shut down. Let the games begin.....jealousy gotta luv it. Thanks mattymac for all of your kind words...better put your flame suit on!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 07:00 PM

Please understand theat when I say STOCK TURBO, it means STOCK TURBO. And STOCK INJECTORS. How many STOCK Dmaxs came with twins? If the new common rail dodge has come further, where is the big dyno sheets? What happened at the dyno with them? What hapend at the track with them? Take the bet. I didn't see one over 400 at the dyno. Talk is cheap. They are just trying to make them selves feel better. I have two words, LEFT BEHIND. I like all diesels but when pushed into a corner well....

PEANUTGRWR

07-29-2004, 07:02 PM

CAN YOU SAY "DENIAL"???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

geno

07-29-2004, 07:05 PM

Super Diesel

Know would be a good time to put a indacator on top of the pistons to see what your rods are doing. Probably ok but I would check.

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dpower

07-29-2004, 07:18 PM

The 3rd gen common rail cummins has a long way to go before you are gonna see huge numbers. How can you say that Dpower you might ask.... you don't own one or drive one or pull one...and I will reply...you are right...I USED TOO! The duramax is ahead of the game when it comes to the bosch fuel system..why the hell do ya think I bought one?! The 12v cummins is a tough all around motor to beat...I would love to have one someday to play around with.....but I was one of the first to say watch out for those dmaxs...I was told I was crazy!

BigDaddyT

07-29-2004, 07:55 PM

Whenever someone hits big numbers everyone nitpicks. Wheres your dyno sheet wheres your track slip? Where you running drugs? So goes it. Even when Joe D hit his big numbers they picked him apart. They started calling him lag beast and stuff. The guys in front always get the worst of our nature. Great run SD. I am truly Impressed. Whats your best run minus the funny stuff?

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 08:44 PM

Thanks BigDaddyT. I am not like that. Sorry for the sarcasm. Your right. Most the time I just sit and watch it unfold. When some one bets that I was running twins who wasn't even there, it get my goat. I think we are on the verge of some great things with these common rail motors, be it Dmax or Cummins or what ever Ford decides to go with now. I feel truly lucky to live in this day in age and have things at out disposal like we do. We have the muscle car era all beat to pieces. They didn't have 500hp trucks or 600fp torque diesels available then. Look at what were doing today. Us diesel heads need to work together and say, hey, look at what we can do to improve the modern day vehicle.

Got Juice?

07-29-2004, 08:44 PM

Maxtech

Take the bet, I was there and I got photo's. He probably one of those that can't stand to see his kind beat.

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Geez Geno...don't hold back there buddy...lol... tell us how you really feel!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Super Diesel

07-29-2004, 08:56 PM

Ive only realy run it at a local run way so far. Only one trip to the track so far and just so happenly the head gasket went foul on me. My 60' times were... well, I was sleeping 2.7, no boost no nothing, just punch it. My head gasket went at about the 1/8 and I coasted through the traps at 111mph. 4wd 4door LB Dooly. 7800lbs race weight.

BigDaddyT

07-29-2004, 11:35 PM

Thats awesome. Was lpg a factor in the head gasket? 30lbs of boost doesnt seem like enough to blow one.

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 12:54 AM

No I don't think so. I think it was a little to much from the ICER set up. I now have a Young Luke Skywalker. He want to be the next 800hp Jedi. I will keep you informed. We are starting conversion this weekend. It will take several weekends though. We have to gather all the nececcary parts. Edited by: Super Diesel

BigDaddyT

07-30-2004, 03:04 AM

Alright, OB1 keep us posted. I am very interested. This is a giant leap forward.

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 03:16 AM

Is that a little to much? I thought it was a nice touch. I'm going to take some one WITH ME to the nut farm. OH, I just noticed. Your in Alaska! I am so jealous! My favorite place! When are you having a get together up there? Edited by: Super Diesel

BigDaddyT

07-30-2004, 05:25 AM

You mean like a bomber party? I never been to one. I was invited to a PSD party but I would feel like a black man at a kkk rally.

Its Jedi not Jedeye and may the force be with you.

I was born up here so I guess Im a little used to it. Ive been doing some awesome fishing this year. Rainbows, Dollys, Lakers, Reds, Silvers and Kings. I love this place.

Maxtech

07-30-2004, 08:22 AM

Super Diesel,

Thanks for the reply I was hoping to hear it from you personally. I think the others who were there add credibility as I obviously dont know you nor have I seen the truck. Please understand however that after 20 years in the competition engine business ...we all push the limits of rules and guidelines not to mention secrecy being important.

The diesel world is somewhat new to us and after returning from the track this last weekend this particualr TDR regular was upset that our customers truck laid waste to his best customers flagship thus the Dmax bashing begun. When I mentioned truck fest he immediately cried foul and demanded a bet that BOTH yours and Clints(?) were twins. I am not much for BS so I simply said I will check for the price of lunch for my crew...... now we shall see.

Thanks again for the reply.

Scott @ VHT Performance

hdmax

07-30-2004, 09:19 AM

Bronco

07-30-2004, 09:59 AM

Clint`s truck is a single as well! He has had two on it in the past. But now Clint is working on a line of turbo`s for the Duramax lineup. He will have 3 (count them, 1, 2, 3) turbo chargers to choose from.

At the dyno, Clint had the 5000 series turbo on his truck from what I understand.

At the ATS booth they had a Dmax on a engine stand. It had an aftermarket turbo. The turbo was moved forward about 5 "? It had a true 4" down pipe, that fit nice and tight behind the motor. The elbows were cast and looked nice. The turbo was physically bigger than the stocker. They gave no hint as to when the exact release date would be?

sp33d

07-30-2004, 10:05 AM

"They gave no hint as to when the exact release date would be?"

2-8 weeks according to Clint and Matt... They are just waiting on blades to be machined at this point and that is the timeframe the machine shop gave them. They have everything else ready to go apparently.

hdmax

07-30-2004, 10:54 AM

The dyno operator claims that Michael had finished the run, and that without a correction factor he was at 660 hp.

He was ask about a correction factor, and this is what he wrote.

"True, based on weather conditions. We enter the bar.psi, temp and humidity, and the dyno spits out a correction factor. After seeing the "Almost 800" run, I turned the C.F. off, so no one could gripe. The C.F. for that run was 1.19 : 1 . So if you take that out of his peak number its arround 660hp which is still impressive none the least."

So does this mean that maddog`s run corrected maybe in the mid 900`s and may even be 1000 or more?Edited by: hdmax

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 11:14 AM

And the saga continues. Whey would the Dyno be set at those # any way praytell? Look at the gragh on my run, It is still climbing. I shut the mist injection off early any way. Could it have been set at those # to help some one else look good? How do you explain the the terminal speed going through the traps after blowing my head gasket (coasting through at 111) at the 1/8 and the no boost launch. Do you think those # could be damaging to some one trying to sell a new turbo and injectors? Yes, we still need them at any rate. Edited by: Super Diesel

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 11:21 AM

Maybe your right. Maybe it's all a hoax.

Battering Ram

07-30-2004, 11:51 AM

hdmax you are correct from what I have heard Super Diesel put down 666hp uncorrected and with the 1.19 correction factor it came out to 793hp. After that the dyno operator (DRAG DIESEL) turned it off because he didn't want anyone gripeing. Maddog's run was 878hp before he blew off his boot. If the correction factor was still on that would have been 1045hp. Sounds pretty insane doesn't it. No matter what any Dodge or Cummins guy says they have to respect the amount of power the Duramax can make at low boost levels and with the stock turbocharger and injectors. Nitrous isn't used hevily with the Cummins crowd because of the power that can be made without it. I guess thats why is frownd opon by some. I see no problem with it really. It's pretty amazing how a Duramax can hold up with a large shot of nitrous and a large box and you can still have very tame daily driver without having to spend money on turbos or ways to keep the headgasket together.

Horace

hdmax

07-30-2004, 12:13 PM

How often during the day does the dyno operator update the correction factor? And are you using the same one that was used for super diesel`s run? if so, couldn't maddog`s truck need a different correction factor? meaning that maybe the correction factor could make it have less then it showed on the dyno.

sdaver

07-30-2004, 12:24 PM

"True, based on weather conditions. We enter the bar.psi, temp and humidity, and the dyno spits out a correction factor. After seeing the "Almost 800" run, I turned the C.F. off, so no one could gripe. The C.F. for that run was 1.19 : 1 . So if you take that out of his peak number its arround 660hp which is still impressive none the least."

let them deal with it any way they can
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Diesel Tech

07-30-2004, 12:26 PM

It sure sounds awful strange that the dyno operator desides to change the rules midway through the dyno day. I was not there but what else was done that no one knows about? If your going to have a dyno day you do not change the rules midstream, you run each and every run the same way. The correction factor should be checked before and after each run if the conditions are changing. Sounds to me that someone doesn't know how to properly run a dyno day or didn't like the results and decided to see if they could change them http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif

Colorado Kid

07-30-2004, 12:49 PM

hdmax, given that the dyno in question is located at about 5400' elevation the correction factor would always be greater than 1.0. It's somewhat inapproriate to use the correction factors when testing diesels becasue the correction is based on the effect the current conditions would have on a normally aspirated gasser. Turbo diesels (especially those inhaling NO2) are much less affected by ambient air density than normally aspirated gassers.

Micheal Tomac

07-30-2004, 12:57 PM

Now you know why I don't bother dynoing. See you at the pulling track or dragstrip

BMDMAX

07-30-2004, 01:02 PM

Shoulda used a Dynojet..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Seriously though, on my last run I made 616 with stacked boxes and a fairly conservative shot of N2O. They are saying that propane and water/meth only was good for 50 more horses on SuperD's truck? Sounds like BS to me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

No matter what it is a ballsy accomplishment for sure. Do we know for sure what was damaged on the engine yet?

BMDMAX

07-30-2004, 01:04 PM

Now you know why I don't bother dynoing. See you at the pulling track or dragstrip

Awww, Cmon Tomac, all the girls are doing it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

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Battering Ram

07-30-2004, 01:13 PM

The dyno operator answered the question on the TDR and not on here so I can see why there is reason to be skeptical. I wasn't there so I really don't know exactly when he did it or why... whenever I do dyno testing I always leave the correction factors off because I believe that they always either artificially deflate or inflate dyno numbers. If the dyno operator had started using the correction factors he should have done that the rest of the day. But if he did there would be an entirely new problem with the controversy of Maddog breaking 1000hp. Imagine the fuss over that one.

Horace

Burner

07-30-2004, 01:17 PM

Let's drag all these folks up to JK's for the get together, then we'll know. When it comes to dynoing, there's nothing better than a Superflow and a good operator.

BigDaddyT

07-30-2004, 06:29 PM

If maddog was spraying. I dont see any reason why he wouldnt be able to break 1000. Hes got enough fuel.

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 06:45 PM

Ok after this, I'll let you all be the judge. They did a base run on me that came out 16 hp lower than my normal base. On the lowest setting I put down 280. It is usually 296 on the lowest TTS setting I have with nothing else. The top on #2 only was 472hp. Isn't that in line with what others are making on the Extreme? Nuff said for the correction factor. There are obviously some that are having a very hard time with this and I am sorry. Lets move on instead of trying to diesect it and find fault with it. I am only trying to improve the breed and the compitition. With out this we get no improvements, and we become complacent. Things get boring. Once again I'm not steping on the feet of other diesels, just tring to make them better. Edited by: Super Diesel

geno

07-30-2004, 07:27 PM

You guys need to look a the good side instead of picking at him. Another thing that will blow your mind is he forgot to remove the oem A/C delco air filter, Wanna get pickie ad a few for that. The #'s were laid down, the H/P was there, what I see is guys that are jelious or is some one putting yall up to this chit. for some reason there has been no congrat's from the suppose to be top dogs on this site. Im sure Clint knows how to run a dyno as he has had it for a while an as I understand it is used ofton. Like Superdiesel says lets get it together,share, and all can be on top instead of being a bunch of zipper mouth's so you can stick your chests out an say I be the man. Maddog as far as I am concerned is on top know and He is one hell of a nice Guy.

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Bronco

07-30-2004, 07:49 PM

Now you know why I don't bother dynoing. See you at the pulling track or dragstrip

Maddog did run an 11 second quarter mile. It was sweet to watch. I am suprised he does not travel with his truck and try to take some purse money. The diesel shootout in Kentucky last may comes to mind.

I think the point of Superdiesels dyno run is the following.

1. TTS EXTREME or equilvalent?

2. BOATLOAD N02 and then some!

3. Water/Meth ( try www.snowperformance.net (http://www.snowperformance.net))

4. Maybe propane, but that might have been what blew the head gasket?

5. Never add so much noncompressible material as to create hydro locking. All of the o-rings and super strong parts in the world,will save you from hydrolocking.

Edited by: Bronco

Diesel Tech

07-30-2004, 07:57 PM

SD runs were right on the low to mid range of what we see people get from the Xtreme. It's been tested from the West coast to the East coast to the Southern coast and everyone knows the results. SD ran great and he beat the others. Richard is a freind as well and he ran good but to try and compare a handbuilt $20,000.00 race engine to a stocker is like comparing apples to oranges. The closest to SD was Clint's Duramax but it also is a hand built motor with turbo, injectors, propane and NOS, and ???? not a stocker. So who was there and ran anywhere close to SD with a stock motor that the valvecovers have never been removed uses stock injectors and stock turbo.

SD you've moved the bar up for everyone to shoot for, keep it up.

Bronco

07-30-2004, 08:13 PM

So who was there and ran anywhere close to SD with a stock motor that the valvecovers have never been removed uses stock injectors and stock turbo.

NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEANUTGRWR

07-30-2004, 08:17 PM

Super Diesel

07-30-2004, 08:53 PM

Thanks much Diesel Tech, GENO, Bronco. Couldn't have done it with out you Steve. Yes it was the Extreme, boat load of N2O, normal shot of Propane, and water/ meth. Not Mat Snows, but he has a good one that I recommend (watch the pressures). I built my own water/meth injection system and put it all together. Bronco, i don't think the propane did it. It would have windowed my block instead of blowing the head gasket. Steve told me the pressures could lift my head from the water/meth injection. Thats is what I feel like happened. I got further than I wanted to. Did carnage. So it's time to make it more reliable.

House

07-30-2004, 09:05 PM

Gongrats Super from a ford guy!! That is way awesome #'s! Keep up the hard work. I love to see GM and Ford products beating up on the Dodges!

VFRRider

07-30-2004, 09:20 PM

That link takes you to a snowboarding site http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif.. fun I'm sure but not water/meth injectionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Bronco

07-30-2004, 10:03 PM

That link takes you to a snowboarding site http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif.. fun I'm sure but not water/meth injectionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Changed the .com to .net. Try it now! www.snowperformance.net (http://www.snowperformance.net)

I see from reading Superdiesels post that he is actually designing a system as well. Hopefully he gets the bugs worked out and takes his product to market!

gary

07-30-2004, 10:05 PM

A very interesting thread.

SD how are you going to go about adjusting the water/meth flow to prevent future head gasket failure? Tweaking until you stop blowing head gaskets could get pretty expensive.

Also, what was the verdict on the slipping third?

No matter how you slice it, diesel performance history was made last Saturday, and I'm glad I was there to see it. http://www.dotsplat.org/images/mohawk.gif

sdaver

07-30-2004, 10:14 PM

Ok after this, I'll let you all be the judge. They did a base run on me that came out 16 hp lower than my normal base. On the lowest setting I put down 280. It is usually 296 on the lowest TTS setting I have with nothing else. The top on #2 only was 472hp. Isn't that in line with what others are making on*the Extreme? Nuff said for the correction factor. There are obviously some that are having a very hard time with this and I am sorry.*Lets move on instead of trying to diesect it and find fault with it. I am only trying to improve the breed and the compitition. With out this we get no improvements, and we become complacent. Things get boring. Once again I'm not steping on the feet of other diesels, just tring to make them better.**

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hdmax

07-31-2004, 12:00 AM

Man! when I made 404 rwhp no one made this big of deal out of it! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I was half way there!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Super Diesel; I am sure you know most Diesel fans are behind you on this. It seams like just those that can not handle the fact that Cummins will no longer go un challenged, are the ones making a stink of it.

Take a look at the last 2 years, 2002 Dodge had never lost (Unless they broke down) in the diesel class of truck pulls. That has changed. They are still top dog, but now lose some pulls.

Then went drag racing! (Damn mtomachttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif )

Now thishttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif In just 2 years, the 3 areas where Cummins could not lose, has come to see that all areas are in danger of being unseated.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I love competitionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Super Diesel

07-31-2004, 01:20 AM

Gary, I am stepping down the injection set up some for my rig. I have run much larger nozzles in it (I can back the pressure down at the pump as well), but when I run the Extreme wide open, Propane, huge N2O, and water/meth going in at 220 psi at a rate of almost 1.3 gals per min., some thing I guess, had to give. Thats alot of stuff! I probably could shut the fuel off at that levelhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. Thanks, House.

DMAX2DAMAX

07-31-2004, 05:56 PM

GENO, IM A TOP DOG AND HELL I STARTED THIS THREADhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif. I SEE WHAT YOURE SAYING SOME OF THE GUYS THAT THOUGHT THEY HAD FUZZY NUTS NOW LOOK BAREhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

NUT,

Looks like your bud geno went west and found him some new friends....what'd do for him lately...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

sdaver

07-31-2004, 07:41 PM

we are glad to get the old mans(geno) perspective on the eventhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif age usually brings maturity and sound judgment but its not guaranteedhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif .........I think Im in a regressive periodhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver

CPMac

08-01-2004, 03:09 AM

Super Diesel I was wondering if you found out how many bent rods you have yet?

Super Diesel

08-01-2004, 11:32 AM

No bent rods. Just one blown head gasket. On the road again.

PEANUTGRWR

08-01-2004, 12:25 PM

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Super Diesel

08-01-2004, 01:18 PM

Compression tested fine. Still runs like a champ. Just a weak part of the head gasket went.

ynot

08-01-2004, 01:42 PM

Seems to be a good clue of how much actual turbo boost (cylinder pressure) on straight #2 the internals will handle. W/ upgraded turbo's, Cummins should be on the downhill slide against the D-Max real soon in all catagories. Cool guys!!! If I get a little more time before leaving for ATS next Monday, should have a much better rating for the HP #'s club thread. Thanks for all the open sharing on these posts, ya'll. Helped immensely...T

Trippin

08-01-2004, 02:45 PM

Super Diesel,

Congratulations on a great job! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif You've obviously turned the Diesel Performance Pickup world upside down with your accomplishments! Other racers, engine builders and vendors are in disbelief! And thats a good thing! Keep up the good work! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

CPMac

08-01-2004, 04:24 PM

Super Diesel when you going back to the dyno to try and get a full run in?

Gray Max

08-01-2004, 04:30 PM

Way to go SD!!!

hdmax

08-01-2004, 05:17 PM

Let me see if I can get this straight!

Super Diesel put down 665 horse power uncorrected, once corrected it was 893 hp. The operator turned off the correction factor at that time. all other runs are given in an uncorrected reading.

If this is correct, and maddog put down 880`s uncorrected as is being reported everywhere else. Then that means that Clint (ATS Truck) put down 745 hp uncorrected. 82 hp more then Michael. If this is all true, then a correction factor of 1.19 (The same as the one used when super diesel made his run) would put Clint`s run at 887 rwhp. I know that the correction factor may not be the same at a different time in the day, but still! nearly 900 hp. And who`s too say that the correction factor couldn't have went up a little to say 1.21? That would put Clint`s run at 901 rwhp.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Hey everyone, Clint from ATS had a dyno run of over 900 rear wheel horse power. Now that is out of this world.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Just trying to start a rumorhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Trippin

08-01-2004, 06:09 PM

Any "Dyno Operator" that fools with the dyno settings (correction on/off....up/down......STD/SAE etc) during a dyno day should be beaten, then hung from the highest tree, then drawn and quartered, then his body parts incinerated, and the ashes run through any number of diesel powered vehicles, after which time the fuel filters should then be removed and buried at a nuclear waste facility.

Total bullsh*t......and extremely unprofessional in my book! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Then again burying them at a nuclear waste facility might contaminate the area for thousands of years. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

geno

08-01-2004, 06:16 PM

Trippin

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sp33d

08-01-2004, 06:17 PM

The dyno operator is a Dodge guy...

BigDaddyT

08-01-2004, 07:09 PM

This is how it was explained to me. Super diesel was the first to dyno. After he dynod the correction was disabled. He was the only one that got a corrected version. Is this correct SD?

jonb

08-01-2004, 08:40 PM

I think those that invest their own huge time and big money to advance the state of any art (or science) are the true heroes. All such leaders have always been subject to the criticisms of the small and threatened...

Thank you, SD, for your efforts and honesty, and best of luck to you. I would feel this way driving any vehicle, even a F*rd :)

hdmax

08-01-2004, 09:09 PM

Super Diesel

08-02-2004, 11:09 AM

To all. The Dyno correction thing was a mistake. I admire Clint for putting on this shindig that we had over there. He has put in alot of hard time and research into his trucks. I have know him a long time now and has always done good work on my vehicles. These turbos and injectors and expecially his tranny I fully recomend (as well as the rest of his upgrades). It is some thing that is very needed at this point. Bottom line is, ATS doesn't deserve the BS. There was some confusing things that happened and we can't judge them on this. We have to judge them on the accomplishments that they have made. I would hate to think that they wouldn't put on another Dyno Day because of all the talk. At any rate be it 793 or 667 or what ever, we have made some big strides here. To get over the wall we need people like Clint and ATS to break new ground, and that what is happening. We can all hold our heads high at what is happening in the world of diesel trucks. Edited by: Super Diesel

Burner

08-02-2004, 12:15 PM

I must agree Super Diesel, good post. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

lly101

08-02-2004, 03:29 PM

I'll 2nd that

Deadeye

08-02-2004, 04:42 PM

The dyno operator is a Dodge guy...

and he obtained the correction data from the National Weather Service in Boulder . . could have been much different. It was damp and cloudy in the morning and dried some later in the day but never got sunny or hot. Likely the humidity and air density did not change during the day.

BTW, does anyone besides Clint at ATS drive a Duramax?? Most of the trucks there are Dodges.Edited by: Deadeye

IBDMAX'IN

08-02-2004, 05:15 PM

The way I look at it is like this, I saw the base line numbers that SD put down with my own eyes and if anything the numbers were low. Can ATS provide us with a sheet that shows what the correction factor was??? I didn't think so. Second is, are we going to take the word of a dodge guy operating the dyno??? it sounds a little funny to me that a D-max puts a whoopin on some dodge guys, and the operator suddenly says OOOPS I put the wrong correction factor in!!! What a load of BS. And thirdly, you think ATS is going to say good job SD for kicking our race trucks butt on our own dyno??? No way, thats bad for business. They have to come up with something!!!......Now, ATS makes some great stuff and they are great people. I really enjoyed Clints tour of the place he truly loves what he does and thats why I'm going to spend $6,000 to have him do my tranny. But when it comes to Michaels numbers, I saw it and I believe it!! end of story.

Deadeye

08-02-2004, 05:24 PM

Hey Wade;

Even though I agree with what you wrote http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif, I KNOW your stories will never end until the English language goes dorrmant http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

John

Deadeye

08-02-2004, 05:25 PM

BTW, did you see this post?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12728&PN=1

geno

08-02-2004, 09:26 PM

Gonna have to pass on this one guys, yall drink to much for me (kiddin). Hope all has as gooda time as you showed mehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Genohttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

hdmax

08-02-2004, 09:42 PM

sp33d

08-02-2004, 10:30 PM

I have to agree with Wade. Though I'm pretty sure the correction factor of 1.19:1 was there (I looked at the screen and cf during the big run), I am unable to figure out why his baseline was right on the money, unless the correction factor had been chagned at that point (which I didn't see).

I personally have the same opinion as Mike Tomac on this... Though you *will* find me on the dyno at dyno days, I never "trust" the numbers. The only dyno I care about is the one that I go to constantly to test new things. I know the operator and I know what the settings are. I use it to see what's helping power wise, and what's not. However, I've found that even that doesn't always translate to the best on the track or street.

SD's numbers were great... I'm hopeful that they can be reproduced very soon.

NWDmax

08-02-2004, 10:35 PM

SD when are you gonna be "back in the saddle"?

Congratulations on a super run!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Blake

Super Diesel

08-03-2004, 12:26 AM

I'm pretty busy making parts right now. I'll go to my buds dyno shop (at a undisclosed time and loc) and report back. I'm in no hurry to blow another head gasket though.

hdmax

08-03-2004, 12:34 AM

I'm in no hurry to blow another head gasket though. All come on now, be a sporthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

IBDMAX'IN

08-03-2004, 02:27 PM

Deadeye,

Boy for only knowing you for a couple of days you sure do have me figured out!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif LOL

nlvcc

08-03-2004, 09:40 PM

super diesel,

great numbers!!!

putting gm in front and the one to beat is always goodhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

GMC2500HD

08-04-2004, 10:25 AM

Always nice to watch the other guys play catch up....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

DavidTD

08-04-2004, 10:58 AM

First, congrats SD on the run.

Second - Correction factors are designed to adjust the output for Absolute Barmetric Pressure, humity, air temps, elevation. A dyno Jet has a weather station and continuously reads these conditions and they change during the day. Diesel only runs are pretty close when running corrected. But even still, we are not affected as severely with altitude, and more so with heat/humidity. When you throw NOS into the mix, you create your own atmosphere and IMO, correction factors become more bogus.

I would be a Dodge guy (if I had to be labeled) but I gladly will hand over a trophy or cash to the winner of a competition if it is a Ford or Chevy. That is what makes it interesting. BMDMAX has come to my dyno and kicked butt more than once.

I suggest folks not forget about the Southern trucks though. Someone wanted to know why Maddog doesn't come to races and take the purse. Can he? Possibly but I wouldn't bet the bank on it. Each day is different at the track and conditions vary from day to day and track to track. Bottom line, in Muncie Darren ran an 11.08 and Dennis ran 11.11. Dennis has since run a 10.96, in Michigan I believe. Where is all the talk about his power? This with a single turbo 24v on NOS only. Matt recently ran 11.16 @ 123 in south GA with heavy 33" All terrain tires. This on a day when track temps were high and humity in the stupid range. And this was diesel only.

I got $1500 so far to the fastest Pro Street truck here in Atlanta. Come and get it. I will smile and congratulate the winner, no matter what he or she is driving because whoever wins it, will be fast.

Burner

08-04-2004, 12:34 PM

that's cool. What a GREAT outlook! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Kennedy

08-04-2004, 12:42 PM

Which is why I generally use raw WHEEL POWER and not SAE, or STP corerection factors. I definitely DO see where crappy air can knock things down a bit, but more like 10-20HP or so. David has seen more real world results than most anyone, and over a wide variety of conditions.

Continuing on about CF, VERY few weather stations ever get a proper calibration to a good known std.

What would have been great is if they were all run with the same rules, AND better yet, if the engine had survived...

sp33d

08-04-2004, 01:05 PM

"What would have been great is if they were all run with the same rules, AND better yet, if the engine had survived... "

Absolutely. The rules shouldn't have been changed after seeing "unbelievable" numbers off the Dmax. I really would like to see the numbers Maddog's truck makes when everything holds together. I look forward to seeing it at the upcoming Edge event and hope he has it tuned and everything stays together. It was good to see it go down the track without a problem. Really wish Super Diesel would have made it to the end without a problem as well. Funny that one had problems on the dyno but not the track and the other didn't have problems on the dyno but did on the track...

I couldn't have said it better than David. I like all brands and it just so happened that I bought a Chevy because it was the best option for me at the time. If I were buying now, it would be a Dodge. Not because of problems with the Duramax but because I've had a Duramax for three years and would want something different to play with... It's the most appealing to me at this point.

DavidTD

08-04-2004, 01:20 PM

I'll add... dyno competitions are just that, a competition and it should be fun. The competition allows guys to dyno on the same machine on the same day at the same location. That is all. Tuning should be done on at minimum the same type of machine, or at best the same machine and operator. From what I have seen, John and I get very similair numbers between machine types which is really cool.

But two years ago I raced a truck identical to mine. He dyno'd 588 hp out west and I dyno'ed 450 down here. We ran identical times and speeds on the same day at the same track. Why?

Altitude - the Cummins rail ran 9.11 seconds at Colorado's 5800 feet elevation, and ran 9.04 with the same tune at 900 feet in Muncie. Why? Isn't the thin air supposed to make so much less hp?

That is why I can't help but laugh when I see post like, "if I had done this or been able to do this, I would have made a half second or 1 second improvement". I can tell you from experience, the difference between a 12 second truck and 1 second faster truck is huge. The difference between a 11.0 second truck and a 10.5 second truck is huge. A mid 12 second truck is fun. A mid 11 second truck is just plain wicked. An 11.0 second truck is just insane. I just wish I could afford to be insane... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Trippin

08-04-2004, 04:12 PM

DavidTD

08-04-2004, 04:55 PM

I'll add:

E.T. and weight tells me how well the chassis is working.

MPH and weight tells me how well the motor is working. So what was Super Diesel's MPH and weight with a blown head gasket? Compared to Clint or others at the same weight or less.

To add further,

I'll add... dyno competitions are just that, a competition and it should be fun. The competition allows guys to dyno on the same machine on the same day at the same location.

Competition means to compete against one and other with the ultimate goal of beating the other guy or guys.

How about if you were at the track with a new combination never before run and ran a 12.00 and then your competition ran something just a little slower right after you and the track operator came up and said we had the clocks set to corrected ET when you ran but we turned off the correction when your competition ran so therefore he ran faster even though his time slip says slower.

Operator error or not, It's still bullsh*t. This whole thing has cast a shadow on Super Diesel's accomplishments. The only thing to substantiate his power is the fact that he ran 111 mph with a blown head gasket coasting through. Sounds to me like it made some serious beans!

I guess from the view of someone that was not there... SD made a 793 run but it had a 1.19 correction factor. Normal correction should be 1.01 to 1.04 from what I see. Given that, the operator decided to toss out the correction factor BUT at that point, the graph should have been printed uncorrected and that would be the set-up for the rest of the day. I'm not aware of how it all went down after SD's runs but converting from corrected to uncorrected should take a matter of seconds. Other complaints I've heard was Maddogs runs. I've heard 780 on the 1st run vs 805. For Richard to run a 11.07 @ 124 and at 7000 lbs, he'll need 850+hp. My guess he made the power.

When SD blew the head gasket, when did he lift? I think I saw a 13.8 pass at 111 mph, this on a 2.7 60 foot? If he were to nail a 1.7 60 foot then we can safely say that was a 12.80 pass just by changing that number. Aside from that everything else depends on when he lifted. I think SD accomplished alot. I'm sorry for him that his goals were tainted by controversy, but there will be another day for sure.

sp33d

08-04-2004, 05:43 PM

The headgasket went right close to the 1/8th and it was all down hill from there. I've been trying to find someone with a vid of his run but I haven't been able to find anything. I know he would have been in the 11's if everything had gone right, though I have no idea how close to Maddog he would have been. A decent reaction and 60' time would have easily got him in the 12's even with the problems.

DavidTD

08-04-2004, 05:56 PM

heartbeatcanada

08-04-2004, 06:35 PM

When SD blew the head gasket, when did he lift? I think I saw a 13.8 pass at 111 mph, this on a 2.7 60 foot? If he were to nail a 1.7 60 foot then we can safely say that was a 12.80 pass just by changing that number. Aside from that everything else depends on when he lifted. I think SD accomplished alot. I'm sorry for him that his goals were tainted by controversy, but there will be another day for sure.

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I agree if his 60ft would have been better he would have been in the 12's for sure, now don't forget he did not spool up at the line from what i've read, which would result in a better e.t and mph, no doubt.

I ran a 12.55 @ 109mph at Muncie, so for SD to have a 111mph in the 1/4 with a terrible(no offence Michael) 60ft and no spool up, i'd have to guess he would have been in the 11's, but i don't think it would have been deep into the 11's. If i remember correctly Tomac ran a 12.11 @109 or 110 mph at Muncie. Now Tomacs time and mine were with spool up and 1.7's 60fts, so SD, hats off too what should and could have been a 11 second run http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

sp33d

08-04-2004, 07:47 PM

I don't know that he let off it as much as just lost power when the head gasket blew... You'd have to ask him. I know his 1/8th mile time was close to the person he was running that had a really good reaction and 60' time but I couldn't tell you what it was exactly.

I don't know if he would have been deep into the 11's or not... Hopefully he'll get the beast back to the track and show us.

JRmac

08-04-2004, 08:23 PM

IBDMAX'IN

08-04-2004, 08:44 PM

I was the one that ran against Super Diesel at the track and lets just say that he flew by me at half track like I was parked on a freeway. It was AWESOME!!! I was running 14.8 that day and on one of my time trials I didn't have a chance to build the boost that I was running for the rest of the runs, I still had a great reaction time but my 60' time went from a 1.93 to a 2.35 and I only ran a 15.5 instead of a 14.8...That's a pretty big difference, my experience tells me that if you build the boost you need at the launch then it's like having a supercharger, power from the get go, but if you don't it almost feels like your driving a golf cart off the line. I think that with a good reaction time and building boost off the line his time would have much lower and his top speed would have been much faster.

all in all even with the time slip that he has, a dually running 111 in the quarter mile!!! holy smokes, thats gotta be some sort of dually record, right???

hdmax

08-04-2004, 10:05 PM

With all the money going in to getting these trucks too kick butt, both on and off the track, why not spend a couple hundo and get an G-Tech Pro comp? Once set up properly, this little toy will give you some valuable information.

Got Juice?

08-04-2004, 10:23 PM

I am placing my $$$$ away for my new sehr heis turbolader

After that..... who knowshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

hdmax

08-04-2004, 10:37 PM

McRat

08-04-2004, 11:11 PM

A tenth on the 60' is worth about .15 in the 1/4 for 12 sec'ish vehicles.

MADDOG1

08-05-2004, 12:01 AM

Burner

08-05-2004, 12:18 AM

WELCOME MADDOG1 !!!!!!!!

Great 1st post on The Diesel Place!

Burner

JRmac

08-05-2004, 12:21 AM

Maddog1..............Welcome to the lions den!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif That truck of yours is just plain BAD @$$. I know what a lift kit and 36's do to a truck.....(major wind drag)........That's what most are missing here.

IBDMAX'IN

08-05-2004, 12:30 AM

Whew hooooooo! What's happining MADDOG!!!! Good to have you with us!! it's always nice to have a legend in the forum. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Maybe next year you can give that diesel dragster a run for his money???!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Trippin

08-05-2004, 12:43 AM

Welcome Maddog! Your reputation proceeds you and its a good one!

Congratulations on all your accomplishments!

Just so I have all your data in perspective, what is the race weight of your truck?

Thanks in advance!

sp33d

08-05-2004, 12:44 AM

Can't wait to see you at the track on the 13th Maddog. It would be great to see you make a pass in the 10's. You were so close at Bandimere.

Super Diesel

08-05-2004, 01:25 AM

Hey Richard, great to have your experience and knowledge here. I hope to get to see you run again real soon! It was a real pleasure to me you over at Clints.

Micheal Tomac

08-05-2004, 01:27 AM

If i remember correctly Tomac ran a 12.11 @109 or 110 mph at Muncie.

my 12.11 pass at Muncie was at 112.85mphhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Got Juice?

08-05-2004, 01:54 AM

I am placing my $$$$ away for my new sehr heis turbolader

After that..... who knowshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

How long until your tongue will be released to talk about the DTT Transmission?

Bill will be releasing details himself about it. I believe he will be taking a different tack on this transmission by disclosing exactly what they are improving and why. This is somewhat different in approach to how they handled their Dodge trannies. They strove for secrecy in that transmission and it did not protect some of their improvements on the designs. Even chrysler's 48RE is an improvement over the original that skirt Bill's improvements on things like the accumulator piston Bill developed (IIRC DTT's is billet and larger than the 47re stock, theirs was smaller,and cast and poor at sealing to maintain pressure.. the new 48RE redisign in this area reflects it)

Anyhow, back to topic, DTT will be releasing the details on their transmission soon enough, and i am sure availability will be coming along shortly.

He does follow this board in between his racing schedule, and as time permits i am sure he will be on here, and updating his website in regards to the transmission.

Exciting stuff. And although i have not Driven an ATS or Suncoast equipped truck I am sure this will be another viable alternative. The end result will be similar to the success of their Dodge tranny redesign, and it does not take a backseat to driveability or reliability.

I have given feedback to Bill already on what has been done, And i can't wait to hear of someone else with the tranny installed to get their feedback as well.

I Tow regularly with mine, sometimes exceeding the GCVW of my truck in 106F weather, 3081'ASL. and Dragrace and Commute.

I hope my tongue gets freed up soon!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Got Juice?

08-05-2004, 01:57 AM

heartbeatcanada

08-05-2004, 07:58 AM

If i remember correctly Tomac ran a 12.11 @109 or 110 mph at Muncie.

my 12.11 pass at Muncie was at 112.85mphhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

My bad Mike, must still have smoke in my head http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif . Edited by: heartbeatcanada

DavidTD

08-05-2004, 08:07 AM

Remember your reaction time has effect on ET. Do you remember SD's 1/8 mile time and speed?

Correction...........reaction time has NO effect on ET.

You are correct. Forgot the NO part.

DavidTD

08-05-2004, 08:27 AM

Richard - congrats on the run. I am hoping one day to see you run that thing in person. Don't you think the tire change was a big part of the difference in your runs?

And btw - Although these are not dead on, they are real close in most cases. Richard - 7000 lbs - 124 mph = 906 hp

SD - 7800 lbs - we'll say 114 mph = 785 hp. The 111 mph = 724 hp

All of this relies on accurate weight but if the weight is correct, it should be pretty darn close. So either way, dyno runs or not, both trucks surpass stock hp levels by just a bit. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

MADDOG1

08-05-2004, 09:36 AM

A bent push rod after the 1/8 cost me my 10 sec pass. I blistered the track in the 1/8 with a 7.0 flat. I launched with about 17 pounds of boost and pulled a 1.64 60'. On Friday the 13th in SLC I guess we will see what a 30psi launch will bring as well as some laser cut DV's and some other "censored" mods. As far as elevation changes here is what I ran last year. Denver 6000' 11.85, Las Vegas 2100' 11.42, Houston 78' 11.28. Only changes were tires. 36" Denver, 35" Las Vegas, 31" Houston.

Are you using a PDR Stoopid pump as well?

Mach?? or Buddah power injects?

Yes I am running the Piers Stoopid pump, and the injectors came from Jeff Prince.

David, I look forward to meeting you as well. At the Edge event on the 13th I will be making a pass with some 35" Toyo's as well as the 32.7" Toyo's that I ran at Denver so it will be interesting to see the difference.

I appreciate all the kinds words and congrats, it's nice to be here.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Got Juice?

08-05-2004, 10:56 AM