Well I was laying in bed last night thinking about how much this injector thing is pi$$ing me off. I hate driving something that I think is going to fail at any time. I was thinking that if all the Dodge boys are telling the truth and the Cummins is not having many injectoe problems maby the fact that they come with alift pump has something to do with it. We all know the stock Durramax fuel system sucks air or out gasses to some point and some trucks are worse than others and some get a no start condition. I do have to say that after the installation of my lift pump my truck idles and runs smoother and the fuel filtewrs are completeyl full. So I guess my question is has anyone running a lift pump had the injectors replaced and at what mileage? If so how long were you running the pump before you had a problem. It also dawned on me that some of the guys that are running the crap out of their trucks and are not having problems are mostly running lift pumps. Well these are just a few ideas to think about. Mike-

Mike ...


Interesting point ... have just over 11,000 miles on our truck since installing one of JK's lift pump (have had a post OEM Mega on board for over 40,000 miles) .. ours is an early '02 with '01 injectors .. the only differences I can be positive about are that I no longer have use the OEM pump to fill either filter and I haven't had to touch the vent screws on either filter since I installed new ones at the same time the pump was installed


As a point of interest, while at a campground in Bismark, ND we met a fellow and his wife who had been stranded there for 3 days due to their '04 Dodge diesel being in the shop to have 3 injectors replaced, as I recall he said he had less than 10,000 miles on the truck. We took them out shopping to get groceries and while we were together he told me the dealer that had his has one ahead of his in for injector repair. Have no clue as to if his was an isolated case of injector failure or not.


Jim Edited by: JEBar

Yes, the lift pump sure does make it nice changing filters and sure saves on the hand pump.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

The way I see it, is for anyone and everyone that lays in bed worrying about their injectors failing in there $35000 truck, well! they need to get rid of it and buy a Ford or Dodge, hell maybe even a Toyota, or Nissan. And for crying out load, quit whining about something that hasn't happened.

Were you "laying" or lying in bed? If it was the former, you should be paying a little more attention to your partner. Couldn't resist...LOLhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Seriously, I love my 03 and will soon have pre OEM filter installed


Richard

Sometime between now and 100000 miles save 3200 dollars for injector replacment. If you sale the truck before then, put the 3200 towards your next vehicle. If you keep the truck save the 3200 for a rainy day. If the injectors do dump, you will have the 3200. The new injectors will have 200000 mile warranty. 35000 plus 3200 for a 300000 mile truck is not to bad.


LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!!!

I traded mine just before they failed http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

What I find interesting, and it was one factor in buying a diesel, is that they retain thier value better. Or, so I have been told. This injector thing is being covered by GM, and so, besides the wait, for having the repairs done, they are standing behind them for quite a long time. Also, they are now replacing them all , even if one fails.


The only inconvenience is being without a truck while waiting for the repair. And getting stranded? That's if you let it become a complete problem. You can tell when they are going bad, because the engine becomes increasingly harder to start. So, there is a bit of time (in many cases), to get it in, while the warning signs are going off...


I think all trucks, cars, etc, are going to have their 'issues'.


I love the Chevy style and the overall truck in general. I know that puts me in a 'camp'. But I am actually trying to get mine re-acquired. AND, I am buying another one. I have heard of so many Happy owners. Maybe there are just a few that have problems. Kinda, like a marriage. Sometimes you get a Lemon, and sometimes you don't.

I don't care about the cost of replacement, it's the idea of the thing breaking down when I am on a trip somewhere. It's really not that big of a deal if it goes down when you are around home. I purchased a diesel so it would run 250000 miles with not one problem. I have learned the more you spend the less you get. HDMAX i'm sorry I wasted your time with all my "whining" but I thought the purpose of these forums were to post ideas and get others ideas. I only drive GM for better or for worse.Edited by: Blue Max

Ever heard of "planned obsolesense"? Vehicles are built to eventually fail, otherwise the car companies would go out of business. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif It's not built to be perfect, for god's sake. If it was, it'd cost $4,500,000!!!, not $45,000. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif It's a machine built by humans. Frankly, the fact that GM warranties the injectors to 7yr/200000 mile should appease everyone but those of us that drive mega-miles. So, you have to wait for the truck to get fixed. So what. Demand an equal vehicle as a loaner! Don't let them put you in a Cavalier. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


My truck was built in Sept, '01...so I figure injectors will be in my future, someday. Oh well. It'll get fixed. I like way too many things about my truck to let one part mess it up. If not, I'll sell it and buy something else.


All this worrying over injectors is just nuts. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif


Tom http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Pig.gif

There are no perfect trucks. When I bought mine I didn't expect to have the flywheel replaced , T/O bearing replaced, and water pump replaced all within the first 9000 miles. Would I trade the truck?? NO WAY. I get mad at times, but when you think about it a truck break down is not the end of the world. In my line of work I see people who are sick, hurt, or sometimes worse. Just remember, you might love your truck but if the biggest problem you have is a bad set of injectors, consider yourself lucky. Didn't mean to get too deep, just a few thoughts.

I didn't say it was the end of the world and I love my truck and this future problem just pi$$es me off. I also didn't say I was up all night I just said I thought about the lift pump idea when I went to bed after reading about other peoples problems on this forum. I'm just sure mine will go down when I'm pulling a trailer and the junk little car they want to give me in the middle of who knows where will probably not be what I need. My truck happens to be one of the lucky ones to be on the extended warantee list so yes they will probably pay to fix it unless they make up some BS excuse not to. It seams I have read about more problems with the 03 nad 04 trucks then the ones on the warantee list. It just seems to me if GM wanted to gain some sales in the diesel truck area they would call all the trucks in for repairs and make it right with us buyers insted of letting us be their R&D staff. Now maby we can get back to the idea of the air in the system being a problem and see if anyone with a lift pump has had an injector problem.

The scariest part was before the extended warranty came out... just thinking of paying for out of warranty injector replacements made me uncomfortable but we just can't predict the future. I had 72,000 on mine... original injectors. But I had no intention of letting GM bite me like they did to some of the over 100,000 mile failures.

But where does that get me? Got $22,000 for a truck I paid $39,000 for three years prior. Debt went back up somewhat. In the end GM got me. Sad to see GM still struggling with diesel fueling issues. That's probably what disappoints me the most.

But... I'm in a new truck again. That's always fun.

I agree Blue. I had to make a 1500 mile trip the day after my truck got the new flywheel. I hated the feeling of waiting to see what would happen. I'm still waiting on the injector problem to arise on mine. With any luck maybe it will not strike me.

Well I was laying in bed last night thinking about how much this injector thing is pi$$ing me off. I hate driving something that I think is going to fail at any time.
Yeah I know what you mean. Had a '53 chevy car and the timing gear stripped in the middle of a bunch of traffic, had a '58 chevy car and the transmission went out in a parking lot, had a '57 ford truck and the radiator just up and started leaking, had a '85 gmc s-15 and the darn rod started knocking afer 250,000 miles. I expect every ride to fail in some way or the other, I just don't know how. But I still keep driving them. Really enjoy driving the 04.5 pretty blue 2550HD. Sleep good at night. With my luck the injectors will be great for 300,000 miles and then the Ali will go belly up.

Jim

For those of you that are awake at night worrying about being stranded by injector failure - not all failures mean stranded. My injectors failed 50 miles north of Guadelajara Mexico, dumping diesel into the crankcase and eventually out the overflow tube, and I was able to drive it 3500 miles home, loaded with 5,000 lbs of stone (total weight about 14,300 on truck scale) in the bed and driving 70+. (No duramax service in Mexico) I did change the oil every two hundred miles or less, but on hindsight I would only change it about every 1500 miles. Brought me all the way home - took longer to get the damn GMC dealer to look at it, and then fix it than it did to drive it home. I doubt if most engines would go 3500 miles running diesel for oil. Knock on wood, my DMAX has spent 50,000 of its 72,000 miles below the border in Southern Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras in some of the most isolated areas with no dealer or mechanic within days and it has ALWAYS gotten me out and home. It would be nice though if it had foolproof injectors like days of old. What really would be nice would be if John Deere made a diesel for GM. They never quit. And yes, I would also prefer the Cummins in a GM which I did build and it is still going at 500,000 miles without a breakdown (transmissions and ride were the problem there).

gardnerteam; If these trucks will with stand that kind of abuse, then we have nothing to worry about. That is the worst case I have ever heard of. I know what a load like that is, as I have hauled 5,000-6,300 on several occasions. But never with a crank case full of diesel full.


I seem to remember reading that these trucks could/would not handle diesel in the oil for more then a couple hundred miles. Looks like you have proved that theory totally wrong.


Blue Max; you did not waste my time, if you had I would not have responded to you. I read your post as if you spend your nights worrying about the truck, namely the injectors.


Hoot; didn't you know that you still had 128,000 miles left on the injector warranty? If you let the truck go for $22,000, you were very scared! I am sorry that you lost that much money. Hell I got more then $18,000 on trade for my old 1997 Z71 1/2 ton gasser with 220,000 miles. The truck was close to 6 years old at the time. I hate to say it, but you did not shop around enough. That or you had your mind made up on the Dodge you wanted, and the dealer knew it.

JHOLLLY, I know every machine is going to fail at some point from some random thing and thats just life, but GM sold us a vehical that was supposed to go 200K with just oil changes and that is not what they delivered. This is not a random problem it is a common problem or they would not have extended the warantee to save face. They sould call them all back in before they fail and give us what we bought.


Gardnerteam, I had decided to do the oil change thing like you did if my truck ever craps out on the road just to get her back home. I just hope I'm not as far it the middle of know where as you were. Now I will have to figure out where to keep the 55 gallon drum of oil in my tool box and the other drum for the used oil.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Hoot, yes it's to bad the way some of the people that had their injectors replaced early were treated and it cost them some money but it would still have been cheaper for you to pony up the 4K to fix your truck than to trade. The problem is you lost 4K on the new truck when you drove off their lot. I do understand why you traded however because you just lost the faith in your ride and that's the part that pi$$es me off too. I had expected more out of GM than the bandaid of a warantee extension.


This is my favorite vehical that I have owned and I have spent/wasted a lot of time and money making it the truck that GM should build at the factory and I would not want to start that process over again this soon. I guess this "known problem" just something I will have to get used to but it's hard to forget about when I have to read about it here on the "Place" every day. Yes, I could quit reading all this stuff but I just can't help myself. I guess I need a 12 step program for my diesel addiction.

Most people posting here are not the typical diesel owners. A lot of people come here only because they have a problems. By the time most of these truck are out of warranty there will probably be several after market injectors.

Hi - new member here. I found this site just recently and have been following your injector comments. Decided to put my two cents in as I have probably incurred more problems with injectors than most. If you don't want to hear another injector horror story, then don't read this.


We have 2 GM vehicles with problems. I actually purchased my FIRST '02 GMC 2500HD Duramax about 2 1/2 years ago and began a boat transport business(nothing oversized/overweight - everything within factory specs). From 65,900 to 290,000 our 2500HD has been in the shop five times having new injectors put in and twice replacing the injector pump. We had to pay(discounted amount thanks to our dealer) for 8 new injectors the second time they were replaced. Of course the truck is currently in the shop as we speak waiting for new injectors - we lost the use of it June 11th and paid to rent a car to get home as we were out of town. Then we paid a transporter to deliver our truck to our local dealer for the work. From what I've read here recently and from what our dealer is telling us, I guess we won't be seeing it for awhile.


Truck #2 is a Chevy C4500 Topkick, again for transporting purposes. As it turns out, this larger truck performed even worse. We were told that new injectors had been used in this '03 model and we wouldn't have any problems(at that time our 2500HD had only had 1 injector failure). The C4500 had the first injectors done at 42,000 and then again at 67,000.


The time lost due to injector problems has destroyed us. The last time the C4500 was in for repair we lost it for 4 out of 5 weeks. We never once received a courtesy vehicle - they will not provide a vehicle for commercial use.


We have no choice but to find alternative ways to resolve this issue as GM offered us 2 payments on our loan and that was it. This doesn't even compare to the tens of thousands of dollars that this injector issue has cost us.


From what our dealer tells us(and we have a good relationship with our service manager) when the new injectors finally do arrive, they will only be available in packs of 4. This means that when one of your injectors finally does fail, while out of warranty, you will have to purchase 4 at the cost of approx. $400 - $500 each.


With no help from GM, we have been forced to seek legal action. If anyone else is in a similar situation and is getting nowhere with GM please respond.


HR

Unfortunately, I think the reason GM put a bandaid on the problem by extending the warantee is because they can't fix the real problem at this time or maby they never will. The problem with all this new technology for improved power and emissions is its new and untested. It will probably only get worse in the future with all the new government regulations. Man things were simpler in the good old days, just slower.

Unfortunately, I think the reason GM put a bandaid on the problem by extending the warantee is because they can't fix the real problem at this time or maby they never will. The problem with all this new technology for improved power and emissions is its new and untested. It will probably only get worse in the future with all the new government regulations. Man things were simpler in the good old days, just slower. If this injector problem can not be fixed, then Dodge with their Cummins will have the same fate. As the new cummins has pretty much the same fuel system from what I understand.

Waiting three or four weeks for replacement injectors to show up is absolutely ridiculous. When making the decision to extend the injector warranty AND replace ALL EIGHT injectors at once, GM should have first stockpiled the injectors at one central warehouse. Then just FEDEX overnight them to the needy truck. Typical story of trying to do something right and shooting yourself in the foot at the same time. HOPEFULLY, someone at GM is paying attention and has an ample supply on order.

The thing that is really pissing me off is that I have an 03, 30k miles, and have it in right now for 8 new ones. Where is my extended warranty? The dealer did kind of crack me up though...he called my failure a fluke. Yeah....right. Although he did say he as read rumors of the 03s getting the extended warranty too. I hope so!

John

The thing that is really pissing me off is that I have an 03, 30k miles, and have it in right now for 8 new ones. Where is my extended warranty? The dealer did kind of crack me up though...he called my failure a fluke. Yeah....right. Although he did say he as read rumors of the 03s getting the extended warranty too. I hope so!

John
Just had my injectors replaced and asked the service rep about the warranty - he said 100K for an '03 and 200K for 01s and 02s?!?!?! That doesn't make sense to me but then waddaIknow?

Regards, Jim R.