I can sum the new LLY, Edge Juice/Attitude up in one word. WOW!

Thanks masterp2 for the great group buy.

Install was very simple, and the juice works great now that the transmission has adapted to the defueling before shifts. I smoked a Cobra rustang off the light this evening (literallyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif ). I love the Attitude monitor, I recomend anyone looking to juice their vehicle to get the Attitude along with it. The info it provides is awesome! Edited by: 338_

I installed my new Edge\Attitude combo today as well and all I can say as well is "Wow!!"


I was pretty satisfied with the truck as it was stock but this made the truck even better!


I did not have any shifting issues, the truck was virtually as smooth as stock except that it runs much stronger...and I have only tried level 2!


Also would like to thank MasterP2 for a great experience on the group buy!

carefull with level 3, 4 and 5. Alli won't take that for long.

I know it doesn't like level 5 from a stop(limp mode), but rolling at 55 or 60 is a different story. I'm definitly gonna have to upgrade to a Suncoast or ATS modded trans. Hopefully after my wedding august 27th.

I think the combo is awesome so far. It really wakes up the beast within and I like the addition smoke for the ricer next to me http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Mark

Your limping yours from a stop in level 5? What gear does it limp in?

I am in the group buy also, just got a pm, said he shipped out the first 5 units and more will go out next week, I am down at #10 on the list--so hopefully soon I will be able to post results!!! Have you guys installed the pyro probe also? That is the only thing that bothers me, the anal side of me is saying to remove the manifold to drill/tap, but many on this board have not without problems.

Just tap the manafold son!

Max Power, it limped in 4th and 5th. I had to actually park the truck, shut it off, wait for the juice/attitude to power down, then restart and be on my way. I learned my lesson very quickly about the upper levels of the juice.





redneck45, the process I used to put my probe in is as follows.


1: Take out the wheel well liner.


2: Take a grease pencil or equivalant and mark where you want the probe.


3: Take the heat shield off, it makes things alot eaiser.


4: Start your truck up. The pressure being formed will push the chips out that your going to create from drilling. (Wear saftey glasses!)


5: Get yourself a good centering drill and make a small pilot hole on your mark. Be very careful NOT to break the tip of the center drill or whatever pilot drill you use off.


6: Put you final through hole in.


7: Tap the hole(Use tapping fluid!). Take your time at this step, you only get 1 shot at it. (If your not sure how to tap something, try it on a piece of scrap metal first, that way you get the feel for it.)


8: I used high temp antisieze on the probe bung threads prior to threading it in.


Thats all there is to it. Actually the hardest part was taking out the wheel liner. Oh ya, I forgot to mention I shut the truck off in between each process so things would cool off a little. It gets pretty hot under there if ya just let it run continuisly. DO NOT drill or tap without the truck running!


Edited by: 338_

redneck45


When you take the wheel liner off to access the manifold you will break some of the plastic retainers for the liner. Dmaxallitech has them on his website cheap. I wish I would have bought them before I started. I also drilled and tapped with the manifold installed. I used bar soap instead of drill/tap oil on the tap to catch some of the shavings, it worked well for me. Center punch your hole, it will keep the pilot bit from wandering.Edited by: neverenuf

I've had my liner out dozens of times. Never broke the retainers. I spray them with dielectric grease and as Eric will attest, they slide out easy.





I hope the LLY turbo bark is correctable through programming...

Kennedy, are you getting turbo bark between every shift? I got it once on my way to work this morning between 3rd and 4th shift on level 3. Any ideas what is causing it? It doesn't seem to cause any harm, it just sounds like sh!t.

i hear the turbo bark as well but generally only between 4-5 shift, a couple of times i guess it was between 3-4 shift. Whats up with this on the LLY ? I run it on level 5, Defuel between 4-5 Locked Shift, and #4 Setting on the low boost.

I am in the group buy also, number 6 on the list so hopefully this week!


This "turbo bark" you guys are talking about, what sound can you compare it to that the "bark" sounds like? Does the "bark" last a second or two or???? Is it hurting the turbo?

Thanks to masterp2 I received my Edge/Attitude yesterday and installed it last night. Ran in level 3 on the way to work. WOW! Had no shifting problems. Still felt like stock except a ton more power. Passing is effortless now. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Anyway, I decided to try level 5 for a quick little acceleration test. Adjusted the attitude to extreme, and without building any boost floored it. It has about the same turbo lag as stock where nothing really happens, but when it kicks in...OMG. It lit up the duallies http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifThen it shifted and spun them in second. Now this can't be good for the Allihttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif.


So how much boost is everyone seeing? The alert was going off at 25 psi so I bumped it to 26psi. Still went over 26psi and alerted on level 5.


Jeff


Editing to say that I've now changed the juice config to give maximum low boost smokehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif and the responsiveness is even better. Oh my. I really feel like this thing is a sports car! Edited by: ZZ4x4

I am #15 and can't wait. The day I get it, I will be running it against my '02 that I sold to my buddy. He is reg Juiced 90hp and I will see how apples to apples work out. I may have to cheat and go to level 5 if I think he's gonna get me...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I hope he don't read this!!!!

I HAVE HAD EDGE BETA IN MY DURAMAX FOR FEW MONTHS NOW. NO PROBLEMS NO LIMP MODES , MAX BOOST AT 29PSI, ALLI SEEMS FINE, RUNS BETTER ON 4 THOE. NEW MEXICO A LOT HIGHTER THEN SEE LEVEL, SO ITS LIKLY ITS NOT MAKING AS MUCH POWER AS OTHERS. HAVE STOCK EXHAUST WITH NO MUFFLER AND 4INCH FROM WHERE MUFFLER WAS TO TAIL PIPE.

What happens when you have the juice with attitude and it goes over the limits of what the attitude has? I have been wondering that because when I get my truck I will eventually have exhaust and Hot Juice on it. I was wondering if the attitude shuts down if the engine exceeds the temp or boost ratings. What are the highest settings for everything? Would it get there easily on normal driving? If you had the Hot Juice on level5 would it defuel if it got to the limits and won't allow no more? I was going to start with exhaust and air filter first for performance then after while get the Hot Juice w/attitude. Would it be o.k to get the Hot Juice right off the bat after that stuff and try to keep it in the low levels until the tranny doesn't let me.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Turbo bark is not good. Most likely it can handle hundreds of barks, but then again all it takes is one to grenade it.

Turbo bark equals zero good.....I have my edge on the way and if it barks the turbo once its goin back!

KTDURAMAX, If you run against your old LB7 truck and both have same size juice modules you better get a head start on him. I have had both and while i AM Very impressed with the LLY Edge juice w/attitude the LLY just doesnt seem to have it like the LB7 did . It seems to be several mph slower from my corner to the bridge from what the 2002 truck did http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


On a more positive note : THe lly is way quieter and smooooooother than the LB7http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif !!! No troubles at all YET with the LLY Juice . It was hands down a better chip than the Quadzilla i had. LOTS more torque and drivability.

Tap the manifold I will! Ok, where is that damn Fed Ex dude or possibly dude ette.

I can sum the new LLY, Edge Juice/Attitude up in one word. WOW!

Thanks masterp2 for the great group buy.

Install was very simple, and the juice works great now that the transmission has adapted to the defueling before shifts. I smoked a Cobra rustang off the light this evening (literallyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif ). I love the Attitude monitor, I recomend anyone looking to juice their vehicle to get the Attitude along with it. The info it provides is awesome! 338; you really got wordy on this reviewhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

KTDURAMAX, If you run against your old LB7 truck and both have same size juice modules you better get a head start on him. I have had both and while i AM Very impressed with the LLY Edge juice w/attitude the LLY just doesnt seem to have it like the LB7 did . It seems to be several mph slower from my corner to the bridge from what the 2002 truck did http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


On a more positive note : THe lly is way quieter and smooooooother than the LB7http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif !!! No troubles at all YET with the LLY Juice . It was hands down a better chip than the Quadzilla i had. LOTS more torque and drivability. If it's hands down better than the Quad module why did the Quad module yield your truck better mph by far than your edge does. I realize your shifting was terrible since you didn't even give the tranny a chance to learn and also the box had some issues but if you compare the power that the juice makes versus the Quad you'll see why the tranny doesn't like it.

I've had my edge juice w/ attitude on for a couple of weeks now. It's great! I did notice that unless I have the ali in tow/haul mode it shows slip even on level 1 (through all gears). I run around on level 3 most of the time now in tow/haul, it rarely slips. Haven't really messed around with any of the higher levels.
Drilling/tapping the manifold was easy, search for the "hoot" method, he's got great detail and pics of the install http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif. I followed and it went in no problem.
I now pray for red lights, however haven't had a chance to be next to anything worth running except a gmc 6.0 hd, that was no problem.
Can't wait till I do end up next to someone who thinks diesels are slow.

CPMac , here is the low down. The 2002 LB7 w/hot juice (125 hp) ran right on the speed govenor (96mph) or higher to the bridge every time . The 2004.5 LLY with Quad 125hp (ran only on the 90hp because it would throw the limp code on the motor NOT the tranny in the 125 setting and often on 90 hp also) ran like 86mph to the bridge. The same truck with the Edge w/attitude 125hp runs 92mph. While the Quad IF you could get it refined so as not to put truck in motor limp mod (keeps it under 2000rpms) and could run it on 125 hp it prolly would run well BUT at this time it has drivability issues and not near as much torque as the Edge ! Im not trying to dog out Quad as i give them props for getting the box out before everyone else and im sure they will get things worked out in the end . These are just my findings and oppinions at this time for what they are worth. So far it looks like the LLY is not as fast as the LB7 but need to go to the track to find out for sure or run the 2 together in person.

CPMac , here is the low down. The 2002 LB7 w/hot juice (125 hp) ran right on the speed govenor (96mph) or higher to the bridge every time . The 2004.5 LLY with Quad 125hp (ran only on the 90hp because it would throw the limp code on the motor NOT the tranny in the 125 setting and often on 90 hp also) ran like 86mph to the bridge. The same truck with the Edge w/attitude 125hp runs 92mph. While the Quad IF you could get it refined so as not to put truck in motor limp mod (keeps it under 2000rpms) and could run it on 125 hp it prolly would run well BUT at this time it has drivability issues and not near as much torque as the Edge ! Im not trying to dog out Quad as i give them props for getting the box out before everyone else and im sure they will get things worked out in the end . These are just my findings and oppinions at this time for what they are worth. So far it looks like the LLY is not as fast as the LB7 but need to go to the track to find out for sure or run the 2 together in person.
































POSTED 27th of MAY! By FASTOYS


I ran mine in the quarter today with my G-Tech just for comparisons against my old LB7 and the LLY IS quicker and definetly faster !


LB7 with 120 edge = about 94mph


LLY with qaud 90 hp = about 98mph


It DEFINETLY takes much more boost to get it going out of the hole though. I dont have guages but could hold my LB7 for about 3seconds and get a good 4wd launch.


LLY takes at least 5 sec. to get much .


I know they are not race trucks and prolly not everyone will agree but this is just to back up what most are saying and what i have found !











You are full of B.S......You make two totally different statements?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I find this amazing that whatever you have at the time is the best!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif I guess it is a way of making yourself think you made a smart choice.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





Later JRmac

I am #15 and can't wait. The day I get it, I will be running it against my '02 that I sold to my buddy. He is reg Juiced 90hp and I will see how apples to apples work out. I may have to cheat and go to level 5 if I think he's gonna get me...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif I hope he don't read this!!!!








Kevin,


Don't do it the same day! Let your Ali get used to it for a few days first, then blow by him!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Please help have 2004.5 LLY AllY GMC 3500 SLT ext. Cab longbox dually just ordered juice w/***,ats mount magnaflow cat back exaust,afe cold air intake want max. reliable power,no trouble codes warr. problems etc.. also will banks waste gate act. work w/lly if not does anybody make one or any other suggestions,also is there any way to override the speed limiter? will the ***. moniter reach the ATS. mount w/o the extension cable? Any help will be greatly apprieciated,thanks BigDaddyDiesel.PS want to really smoke brothers 03 ford HD2500 harley powerstroke(yuppie truck)Im the biker in the family w/4 Harleys BigDaddyDiesel,2004.5GMC SLT LLY,ALLY

For the speed limiter removal you'll need a programmer like the Bullydog Powerpup. As far as I know, no box (Banks, Edge, etc.) bypasses it.

"Later JRmac"


who pissed in your cheerios - oh, thats right your trying to figure out how to un f' yourself and see if you can put out another POS box. Help some folks and yourself out by trying to make a product better and stop pissen all over yourself. You know they do have meds for people like you !!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

By Jrmac:


You are full of B.S......You make two totally different statements?http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I find this amazing that whatever you have at the time is the best!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif I guess it is a way of making yourself think you made a smart choice.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif





What Tbone said, geesh. I think that my G tech was going t**s up so that is why i am testing to the bridge and said that we "need to go to a track". It never did feel right with that chip and i get tired of pulling over every time i stand on it in 90hp mode to shut the truck off and get it out of engine limp mode. I havent had to do that with the Edge ! I did say that Quad will prolly get their sh*t together and refine it but for now this is what i have found.

"Later JRmac"


who pissed in your cheerios - oh, thats right your trying to figure out how to un f' yourself and see if you can put out another POS box. Help some folks and yourself out by trying to make a product better and stop pissen all over yourself. You know they do have meds for people like you !!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif














tbone1227


Know body YET!!!!.............I've had experience with both boxes, and both have some problems. I think both will get the problems corrected in the near future with updated versions. Not one mfg was perfect the first time with the LB7, so why would you think the LLY is any different. The edge is nowhere close to the Quad in power capabilities. At the same power levels they are real close in drivability.





P.S. I prefer Frosted Flakes.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

LOL - im glad you have a sense of humor.... Since ive run the Quad LLY box I do belive you are right about making the HP - if the Edge/Attitude is supposed to make 120hp on level 5 (not sure if thats right or not) - it doesnt feel like 120, both stacked and unstacked. The Quad on level 3 - +120hp definitely made more power by alot IMO but still needed some refinement which i hope gets addressed

Please help have 2004.5 LLY AllY GMC 3500 SLT ext. Cab longbox dually just ordered juice w/***,ats mount magnaflow cat back exaust,afe cold air intake want max. reliable power,no trouble codes warr. problems etc.. also will banks waste gate act. work w/lly if not does anybody make one or any other suggestions,also is there any way to override the speed limiter? will the ***. moniter reach the ATS. mount w/o the extension cable? Any help will be greatly apprieciated,thanks BigDaddyDiesel.PS want to really smoke brothers 03 ford HD2500 harley powerstroke(yuppie truck)Im the biker in the family w/4 Harleys BigDaddyDiesel,2004.5GMC SLT LLY,ALLY





So many questions, so little space...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


Looks like you're new, welcome to the forum. You might want to consider starting a new thread in the performance section, I think you'll get more answers since folks are not expecting these kind of questions in this thread.


I'll try to answer a few and get you started here.


Your LLY does not have a waste gate, it's a variable vane pitch turbo like the 6.0 PSD has, so no Banks waste gate needed.


The speed limiter question has been answered.


The new Attitudes come with nine foot cables so no extension is needed for the ATS overhead mount.


That should help get you started....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Wow...some people are grumpy today..c'mon guys its Friday...drink a beer and relax!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Please help have 2004.5 LLY AllY GMC 3500 SLT ext. Cab longbox dually just ordered juice w/***,ats mount magnaflow cat back exaust,afe cold air intake want max. reliable power,no trouble codes warr. problems etc.. also will banks waste gate act. work w/lly if not does anybody make one or any other suggestions,also is there any way to override the speed limiter? will the ***. moniter reach the ATS. mount w/o the extension cable? Any help will be greatly apprieciated,thanks BigDaddyDiesel.PS want to really smoke brothers 03 ford HD2500 harley powerstroke(yuppie truck)Im the biker in the family w/4 Harleys BigDaddyDiesel,2004.5GMC SLT LLY,ALLY

I'll be relaxing and drinking a Miller Lite in exactly two hours.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Just know I will also be having a Miller Lite. In about an hour now.

Ahhhh yes.....Its Miller Time and all is good in Dmaxville!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Maybe quad will address the lly issues right after he resolves the 01 speed limiter issues, the rattle in the 215, gets his tranny kit out, and finishes his turbo upgrade........You guys better hope his bully dog connection solves the problem....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif....

I have not driven a lly yet.......but a test ride is on the horizon

Please help have 2004.5 LLY AllY GMC 3500 SLT ext. Cab longbox dually just ordered juice w/***,ats mount magnaflow cat back exaust,afe cold air intake want max. reliable power,no trouble codes warr. problems etc.. also will banks waste gate act. work w/lly if not does anybody make one or any other suggestions,also is there any way to override the speed limiter? will the ***. moniter reach the ATS. mount w/o the extension cable? Any help will be greatly apprieciated,thanks BigDaddyDiesel.PS want to really smoke brothers 03 ford HD2500 harley powerstroke(yuppie truck)Im the biker in the family w/4 Harleys BigDaddyDiesel,2004.5GMC SLT LLY,ALLY

Topic: LLY Edge review, lets here your opinions:





Well, my opinion is i need more trans and motor mods to run with the new 6.0 Ford !http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I had a chance to run with one from about 70mph up and got a good look at his tailights. Might have been different story from a dead but i dont know that for sure. I saw he had Edge Attitude on his pillar and big exhaust also so it was all fair i think. Im a GM guy but them Fords 6.0s run hard with chip! My attitude kept showing slip in 5th gear in stage 5or stage 4 so time for a trans update. No limp mode just the Edge backing power off and letting the Ford get further ahead. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif How does Arnold Schwartzanager say " I 'll be back" !!!

Can anyone tell me if turbo bark is a compressor stall? It would also be nice to know if those that have experienced the LLY bark have been successful in fixing/avoiding it, or if it just went away. Tips?


Since the GP was mentioned, the remaining boxes from the GP are shipping out by end of next week, and 7 this week, Dmaxhd, KTduramax, 95geo, and emerick115 among them.


But please do not use this thread for GB queries, PM me. Keep the natives happyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

im trying to figure out a fix right now for the turbo bark and waiting to hear back from edge as it could just be a programming matter. its always been there and still is at this point after running it for 3 weeks now. im thinking of removing the cat and doing the turbo back exhaust to see if that eleviates some of the pressure but not sure if thats the fix or not at this point. anyone else find out anything here ??

From what I have read it looks like most of you are experiencing turbo bark on the 4 and 5 settings. Are you also getting turbo bark on the lower levels such as 1 and 2?

yep - i get it all the way down to level 2 - go figure !!! and in trying to get edge to help hasnt been what i thought it would be, i guess they dont have an answer as the response i got from them was :


"Tom, this was an issue with our beta version, but not really with the production version. There are guys with turbo and boost sensor issues on stock trucks causing a bark. If we come up with something I will let you know."


To which i responded both via email and voice mail with no response at this point

THAT makes me wonder if a few folks recieved BETA's

not sure but i dont think so - edge said the boxes themselves were coded differently for them to know, and when I read them what was on mine they said it should be fine - but who knows ? good point though, im going to have to check into it further

just got off phone with rob over at edge and he was very helpfull, explained that the turbo, and the turbo sensors on the LLY is the main problem with these which makes sense as i thought they might be a week point. they are working on the fixes for this and will hopefully have them !!!. also said it seemed to bark more for those driving at or near sea level

im trying to figure out a fix right now for the turbo bark and waiting to hear back from edge as it could just be a programming matter. its always been there and still is at this point after running it for 3 weeks now. im thinking of removing the cat and doing the turbo back exhaust to see if that eleviates some of the pressure but not sure if thats the fix or not at this point. anyone else find out anything here ??








You need to remeber AND let Edge know that you are stacking, and IMHO exclude yourself from any driveability trials. The TTS Tow tune is adding fuel and altering the programming from stock. Edge is doing all of their tuning based on stock.





My suggestion still stands. Wait till TTS has higher level programming released and upgrade to it.

I had a thought and hope it is relevant. I would like someone to experiment. No harm. Could a couple of you guys who are having the worst problem barking, remove the air filter and cover, and tell me if that doesn't alleviate the problem some, especially tbone. what could it hurt for a few miles? If it works, I'll tell you my reasoning and fix. If I am right, this will also have a performance impact.

JK - it barks both stacked and unstacked for me http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif .. i am planning on doing the TTS immediately when it comes out thats for sure and ditch the whole stacking thing entirely. Running just the edge i can run it on level 2 and boost at 4, any higher than those numbers i get a bark.


Michael - im not sure what exactly you want me to try - if i remove the air filter wont chit get in there ??

When you say stacked and unstacked, does that mean the OEM program with Edge or the TTS Tow?

stacked meaning I have the pcm with TTS Tow Tune running with the edge as well. Unstacked meaning stock pcm and edge - im hoping you have some ideas possibly for me to try - LOL, thanks

For a 1-2 mile experiment, it won't make a difference, just don't use a dirt road. I'm probably all wet here, I'll acknowledge that right now, I don't have one to experiment with or I would do it myself.

Tbone1227, i'm not sure if its relevant, but are you giving the allison time to re-adapt after you unstack the TTS? I tried like crazy tonight to get my turbo to bark by making ALOT of WOT runs in every level including 5 and could not get it to bark.

hmmm, very interesting point, i really havent run it more than a week at a time in either mode - would it take longer than that to re-adapt ?? on a side note - did you run WOT runs in 4th gear locked and 5 gear locked and unlocked ??

Ok some one tell me what this Turbo bark is? Im odering my juice tomro. Will it hurt the truck ?

hmmm, very interesting point, i really havent run it more than a week at a time in either mode - would it take longer than that to re-adapt ?? on a side note - did you run WOT runs in 4th gear locked and 5 gear locked and unlocked ??


I don't know the amount of time needed for the re-learn, but from reading alot of post about the alli on this forum, it seems to take a little bit. The only thing is, i'm not sure how the suncoast III efects the re-learn. Anyone? All my WOT runs were done in Tow/Haul mode (locked). The allison doesn't like level 5 unlocked. Even locked i'm sure i'm still hurting it. I'm still running a stock tranny in case ya didn't know.

According to the Edge manual it take about 20-30 shifts or about 200 miles in the city. Highway driving won't do it.


According to Allison, the trans creates a numerical matrix depending on load, rpms, etc.. and determines whether the shifts are optimal for the current parameters. So effectively, the trans learns to shift optimally at each throttle level. One would need to run a combination of light and heavy foot over several hundred miles to populate the entire matrix with good data.


Jeff

Hey tbone1227, sounds like what ZZ4x4 is syaing may be related to your problem. My drive to work is all city stop and go, and i've easily put on 600 miles(city/hwy) since my juice/attitude install. The 2 turbo barks I experienced were within the first 100 miles and I haven't had any since. Put on a few more miles and see how it does then.


Where are all the rest of the LLY Edge users? No advice or thoughts?


How about all you beta testers thoughts?

How does the LLY Edge compare to the LB7 Edge as far as performance goes? I've heard some say the LLY is faster, while others think the LB7 has the advantage. Anyone have both?

I should have that answer by the weekend.........I will run my old '02 juiced against my '04 lly juiced hopefully this weekend. I am as anxious as everyone else!!! Keeping my fingers crossed. I will even do comparisons on eack level.....stock/1/2/3/4/ and I have 5 if needed, (the '02 is 90hp reg juice without attitude). So far I have not heard of anyone comparing the two like this so it should be interesting.


MasterP2 claims I'll have my juice here this week. I keep opening the front door looking for Brown to show.......

Sweet truck. Is the 2002 also a crew cab dually? Keep us posted on your results....

We know how to mess with lb7 but lly whole different ball game - but we will get there Edited by: lly101

I HAD A BETA EDGE IN DMAX. DIDNT REALLY NOTICE MUCH TURBO BARK. WITH THE NEW EDGE INSTALLED AND NO CAT, I HEAR IT BARK ALOT. I WOULD MORE SAY BECAUSE OF NO CAT I CAN HEAR IT BETTER. ON ALL POWER LEVELS, I DOSE IT ALL THE TIME WHEN I THROTTLE IN AND RIGHT BEFOR IT SHIFTS, I LET OUT AND IT STAYS IN THE SAME GEAR, IT WILL BARK.IT DOES THIS ALL THE TIME. MY WIFES TURBO PT CRUISER DOES THE SAME THING ALSO.

who - good to see you chime in here, thanks for the PM as well... im going to go for it and remove the kitty and do the full turbo back deal and see what happens, i can always put it back on. Im also going to try and do something with air intake, possibly change or modify to see if i can make a difference as i get it all the time as well as you know and it drives me f'n nuts. Interesting how your wifes PT does it as well ??

Sweet truck. Is the 2002 also a crew cab dually? Keep us posted on your results....


The '02 is a 2500 lifted w/ 35's.....weight should be the same with the extra weight of the lift kit/tires....I have smaller tires, but should be close.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

New guy here. Just installed Juice on my LLY this morning. I'm an impatient guy, but the relearn went well for the tranny. No bark, but I haven't been below 7000 feet above sea level yet. Will install Attitude tomorrow. So far I have to say I'm pleased. I certainly couldn't realize such easy performance gains on my old 8.1

OK,OK


I just got it all set up (Juice) and drove around for like 1 hr to try it all out. I have not raced my old LB7 motor yet because I wanted more trans learing time. I am sorry to say though that I am doubtful I can keep up with the LB7 due to the HORRIBLE lag in 1st (even power braking)! I thought that would have been addressed. 2nd thru 4th seem impressive...(took it easy when hit 5th). I do love the amount of smoke I can control on the bottom end. I did blow the boost tube out of the fitting on 1 run when I saw 31 psi. I have a gauge pod and saw EGT hit 1400 REALLY fast also (108 outside temp).I am happy so far of Edges first "release" version, and know Edge can probally improve on it as more testing goes on. I will still run my old LB7 for giggles, but I'm afraid I already know the results.....DAMN! why did I sell it!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


LB7 comparison will be on Saturday evening....(I made the phone call)http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

That was fast, you left here 6 hours ago. We sure do need to address turbo lag.

And I went to the Doctor after I saw you.......


Took a whole 30 minutes tro get it installed minus the EGT probe....Edited by: KTDURAMAX

it will be interesting to hear if you think that driving a few (hundred) miles has a learned effect. No bark I assume? I don't like waiting for that turbo spoolup, wonder if that can be resolved.


Anybody?

I didn't get any bark. I will drive it alot tomorrow. I can feel a HUGE difference in power loss when that dang fan clutch is locked....we'll see how she does in the early AM.

Is it possible for the fan clutch to interfere with performance of the edge, past the usual 10-20 HP loss?

Picked up my Juice\Attitude and also got it installed, could not wait until Monday like Michael said, Thanks Michael (masterp2)!!!


I have tried levels 2 and 3 with Boost set to 5 and played with the defueling a little, not sure yet what I am going to run yet, any suggestions??? Have not heard it bark yet which is good but I am agreement with the rest of you, the lag still sucks!!!! I am running the banks monster but still have the CAT installed. If someone gets the lag figured out they will be a hero!

Picked up my Juice\Attitude and also got it installed, could not wait until Monday like Michael said, Thanks Michael (masterp2)!!!


I have tried levels 2 and 3 with Boost set to 5 and played with the defueling a little, not sure yet what I am going to run yet, any suggestions??? Have not heard it bark yet which is good but I am agreement with the rest of you, the lag still sucks!!!! I am running the banks monster but still have the CAT installed. If someone gets the lag figured out they will be a hero!





If your from Minnesota how did you get yours so quick? Fly in? Vacation out here?

Kevin, I shipped next day air "hold at station" for those that couldn't hold out the weekend. He picked it up at the FedEx terminal on Sat.

Ah, I see...

KTDuramax, Masterp2 was right, I could not wait so I made that special 40 minute drive to go get it...

Me too! It was worth it!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

KTDuramax, You are right, it was worth it! Unfortunatly my truck started this rough idle BS today and I am hoping the Juice and this idle are not related.

michael posted - "I don't like waiting for that turbo spoolup, wonder if that can be resolved. - Anybody"
- not sure if this will be the case for everyone but i noticed a huge difference with turbo spooling up faster, and less low end lag when i removed the kitty and put on a 4" all the way back - it builds boost faster and more of it and reduced the egt's - just an fyi on my observations so far

Installed Attitude Friday morning. Played on and off over the weekend. First impressions much the same as most here. The turbo lag is surprising, even stock, since it's supposedly the latest variable vane tech. How does the lag compare to LB7's anybody?


It takes a lot of patience to do the powerbrake thing here at 7000', though the payoff is a lot of pretty smokehttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil%20Smile.gif.


Can't run over level 3 at WOT in high gear for long without EGT problems. Exhaust will help some I'm sure. (can propane be far behind!!!) No turbo bark at this altitude. I head to Oregon for work tomorrow and will play some at sea level. If I manage to get online I'll report back here.

From the test report I just read, it looks like the LLY is actually slower than the LB7 motor. Maybe because of the turbo lag you guys are experiencing. It also went up against the 6.0L Ford and 600 Cummins, and it lost to both of those-in acceleration tests both empty and loaded with an 8500lb trailer. It also measured the loudest of those diesels. For 2005, the horsepower stays at 310 and the torque goes to 605.