What will the edge void?

Still truck shopping so I need feed back to cover Brand new to older trucks.

Thanks,

Nothing as long as you take it off before you take the truck in for any service or warranty issues.

What will the edge void?

Still truck shopping so I need feed back to cover Brand new to older trucks.




Thanks,


It can and in most cases will void the warranty of the engine, transmission, most likely the entire drive train can be voided if they catch you using it even if the after market product did not cause the problem. That is the way big business does things.


You are better off not having these type products, or keeping quite and make sure you leave no evidents if you do need to take the truck in.


Remember one thing and you should be fine. GM has more money then you, and they are willing to spend more defending themselves then what the repair may cost.

MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT
US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312
Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm)(15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) . For best results, consider working with performance-oriented dealerships with a proven history of working with customers. If your vehicle manufacturer fails to honor emission/warranty claims, contact EPA at (202) 260-2080 or www.epa.gov (http://www.epa.gov/). If federal warranty protection is denied, contact the FTC at (202) 326-3128 or www.ftc.gov (http://www.ftc.gov/).

Remember one thing and you should be fine. GM has more money then you, and they are willing to spend more defending themselves then what the repair may cost.





Mangusson Moss or not, hdmax has a point. A lot of it depends on your particular SM, but the best advice is to remove it before it goes to the dealer. If nothing else, the Edge can interfere with the diagnostic capabilities of the stealer's test equipment, i.e. the Tech II. That is per Edge's web site.

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Remember one thing and you should be fine. GM has more money then you, and they are willing to spend more defending themselves then what the repair may cost.





I believe Magnuson Moss warranty act says if found in favor of the plaintiff, the manufaturer pays all attorney fees for the plaintiff. Doesn't really matter how much $$ GM has if you win. Many consumer law attorneys will take cases with no money if they lose, they know from the facts you provide them if they can win. But I would still take the edge off before going to a dealer if I had one. No reason to cause problems when it's not necessary. Edited by: srode

Who really has the time to go through with something like the MM act.....its not like you are gonna get your money,vehicle back in a few hours...just take it off before going in for service.

I have dealt with similar stuff, I have found a lot of it depends on your service writer.


But it sounds like the Edge is no if and or but, Just need to come out.


Good to know, thanks.


I will be sure to find a truck w/o a chip so that I know it has not been red flagged in the system, That happened to me on my dodge, could not get any work done under warranty, sucked, and not my fault.





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I will be sure to find a truck w/o a chip so that I know it has not been red flagged in the system, That happened to me on my dodge, could not get any work done under warranty, sucked, and not my fault.

How do you no it has not been flagged even if it does not have a chip? Get the dealer to run the VIN and show you the results or ask one of the techs here to run the VIN.

Jim

The MM warrantee act was not intended for performance enhancments like the Edge products, it was intended to allow consumers to be able to use aftermarket oil filters, air filters, brake pads, replacement parts. I cannot see how anyone can not understand the rational for a manurfacturer to void the engine warrantee when you are altering parameters that were set to protect the engine and drivetrain from being damaged during use within the vehicles cabablities.

Believe me when I say GM has the upper hand. The engine was designed to perform under certain parameters, and the Juice or any other power enhancement changes that. If you get caught with the box, or remnants from the box you have changed the operating parameters of the engine, and you loose while GM wins. There is no way you can beat them at this game.


And anyone that thinks they can is a bigger fool then I. Do yourself a huge favor and take anything like that off and out of the truck before you take it in.

do it just like we told them on the berlin parkway........take it off

OK, so what do youdo with the EGT probe when you remove everything?

Marc

I've got a conventional EGT guage which is mounted in a piece of black 1/4" thick Lexan, that fits the overhead console where the ATS Attitude mount is.


Just run the wires for it as well as the Attitude. Hook the probe wires up to the EGT guage when the Edge is out, and it explains the probe as well as covering the removal of the black plastic piece in the overhead console.

Zeeb, I like your idea of the two guages. can you elaborate.


Rich.

Rich,


Since you have to remove the black plastic piece that forms the upper part of the overhead console when you use the ATS mount, if it's taken out you see the interior of the roof. So I needed something to take care of that, as well as explain the probe.


I took the ATS mount to a local trophy shop (they use Lexan in some award pieces) and had them cut the piece of Lexan the same size, it's a press fit into the overhead console piece just like the ATS mount. I had them punch a hole right in the middle of it for the Autometer EGT guage I bought used from a local performance shop. You run a second set of wires down the same way as the Attitude cable and through the firewall.


Then if you remove the Juice, that's where the EGT probe wires connect, just hook up the guage wires. The Attitude mount comes out, turn it sideways and it will lay in the overhead console. Hook up the EGT guage wires and press the Lexan into the overhead mount.


Presto, Attitude is hidden without removing it and it's wires, (I'm going to put a connector on that one of these days) the hole is filled covering the empty spot and you've got a nice EGT guage for the folks to look at. I even bought another UHFP box to get the lid, so the one with the velcro on it is not there either.


I think it will work, but I've not had any reason to take the truck back to the stealer, so I guess we'll see.

Zeeb, Thanks a bunch. I think I'll be doing the same thing. I'll probably do it the same time I do the Edge which should be Thursday. Can't wait.


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Does the Attitude monitor disconnect? What do people do when it is permanetly mounted in truck? I hope to mount the Attitude on the top dash panel, right at base of drivers side pillar.
May have to come up with something better?

I was questioned about the X-Monitor when I had the truck in for service. They thought it was some kind of power enhancement thingy-ma-jiger. I just informed them that it was a set of gages that GM forgot to include while designing and building the truck that they seem to think was worth $44,000http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif And that was the end of it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

X monitor meaning the Attitude monitor?

X monitor meaning the Attitude monitor?


No its a digital egt and boost monitor mounted on the a pillar. Totally different than the attitude monitor.


http://www.performancedieselparts.com/xmonitor3.cfm (http://www.performancedieselparts.com/xmonitor3.cfm)

Thanx Heartbeat. Wonder if I could tell the same about an Attitude monitor?

Thanx Heartbeat. Wonder if I could tell the same about an Attitude monitor?


You could, but if it worked I don't think I'd trust those kind of clowns to work on my truck...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif


Anyone who's been around diesel trucks much in the service arena would know about Edge...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

I kinda sorta figured somethin similar. Plus the Attitude doesn't work with out the Juice. (I think I read somewhere)

X monitor meaning the Attitude monitor?


No its a digital egt and boost monitor mounted on the a pillar. Totally different than the attitude monitor.


http://www.performancedieselparts.com/xmonitor3.cfm (http://www.performancedieselparts.com/xmonitor3.cfm) Thanks for covering my back! you are on top of things around herehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

No need to worry about your back around me.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I heard that the juice with attitude will scramble or leave some kind of a hard code in your truck when removed, and the dealer would be able to tell if it had been installed. But not so with just the juice, and say an X-monitor.
I talked with a guy at a diesel shop today that said the dealers are getting tougher with warranty work if a programmer has been detected.
Anyone know if a hard code is left behind?

Here we go againhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

traveler11, the boxes as of yet, can not be traced. What you are talking about is the fact that all manufacturers are educating there techs to be better about recognizing possible senerio's that a box was used in. Meaning some codes and their parameters can only be seen if a certain condition was met. I.E. more power higher parameters, with-in the code reading settings. With that said, there are very few that are good enough to to put their jobs on the line to tell the company that a power enhancer was used, and that they have no doubt. But come 2007 when the new epa laws come in affect, I have it from a industry insider that most modifications performing computer changes will be recorded. That means if you add a box the parameters will be recorded. So even if you remove it all the data is still there. Kinda like your pc, the right computer expert can find all the info you have erased. Even if you can't. As of today, they can not trace it. But they are getting smarter.

But still can't properly diagnose and repair your truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Thanks, Tulsa1718,


Just pulled our 5th wheel (10500 lbs) for the first time this past Saturday, with our 2004 2500HD 4x4 D/A ,and I can tell that the Juice is a needed item. Pulled from Phoenix (108 degrees) up to near Flagstaff, where temp dropped to 60 and altitude was close to 7000 ft. Down to 3rd to keep 55 at some points. Coolant temp got to 230 at times , but dropped right down on level. I will get juice with attitude, and I'm sure I'll be happy like the rest of you.

But still can't properly diagnose and repair your truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

LOL http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I understand about removing the Attitude monitor and replacing with a "dummy" EGT gauge to explain the probe, but what about the edge box itself? The one under the hood? I assume that should also be removed?

Wellfooled - if you leave the edge plugged in under the hood, you might as well put a huge sticker on your back window that says "power enhanced by edge" too..):h Yep, take the underhood box out too