Ran the new 6 gun race box at Imler Diesel on their load cell dyno. same test conditions on all runs - 20 second sweep from 30-75 MPH, converter locked, T/H, with tech 2 commanded 4th gear, and OD lockout active. Truck was the same one used back in Janruary with original 6 gun/speed loader- 2003 EC/SB D/A 4WD CA version.


back in Jan. the original 6 gun w/ speed loader ran:


Level: HP/TQ


1 - 264.6/453.9
2 - 314.7/565.7
3 - 313.3/580.4
3 - 321.7/585.9
4 - 323.5/608.8
4 - 325.9/636.7
5 - 337.4/688.2
5 - 332.7/679.7
6 - 349.1/719.9
6 - 350.9/715.8





On 7/16/04 the Race-upgraded version with speed loader was run on the same truck at same dyno. same run parameters with the exception of warmer weather:


1 - 250.7/461.1
2 - 298.1/543.1
3 - 314.2/581.8
3 - 313.6/581.7
4 - 325.1/614
4 - 320.9/591.5
5 - 337.8/636.2
5 - 334.1/662.1
6 - 355.8/696
6 - 351.2/685.4
6 - 355.0/693.8



My only observations were that level 5 and 6 would puff and bit more than the old version when i first started the test, about like a juce on level 4, then it would immediately clear up for the remainder of the run. max boost was about 20 lbs. via the electronic gauge connected to the six gun, plus a manual gauge connected directly to the actuator line (which read about 1 psi higher). Also it ran very hot in level 5 and 6. while running a 30-75 MPH 20 sec sweep i could only get to 50MPH before i was hitting 1450* at which point it started backing power down. i think this is why it didn't make much more than the original box. i also tried a 50-75MPH sweep for 9 seconds to try and get to the optimum RPM range before the heat built up but i was unsuccessful and that run failed to yield more power.


This truck still had the Cat converter installed.

Nick





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20 psi of boost is not anywhere near enough..........


28-30 psi and ya might be making a few more ponies...........\


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This were just FYI. i was asked to do before and afters on the updated programming on this truck... still scratching my head as to why it doesn't make more than 20 PSI of boost..

Any chance you have a stock type base run for both tests? Jan. and July.


Just to make sure the truck/dyno hasn't changed.


I'm with Tony. Maybe some more boost might clear up that little EGT/power backdown problem http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif.


Does the truck have a Big Head Actuator?


All in all disappointing results. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I haven't run mine yet. No time.


So I loaned it to a friend. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Level 1 is stock, supposedly. I don't understand those numbers, when several people have reported vastly improved performance from the new program. His numbers showed slightly less hp and slightly more torque stock (lev 1) than in Jan. The cat can't be helping either.


Trippin- How does the Banks work on your friend's truck?

Ran the new 6 gun race box at Imler Diesel on their load cell dyno.* same test conditions on all runs - 20 second sweep from 30-75 MPH, converter locked, T/H, with tech 2 commanded 4th gear, and OD lockout active.* Truck was the same one used back in Janruary with original 6 gun/speed loader- 2003 EC/SB D/A 4WD CA version.


back in Jan. the original*6 gun w/ speed loader ran:


Level: HP/TQ


1 - 264.6/453.9
2 - 314.7/565.7
3 - 313.3/580.4
3 - 321.7/585.9
4 - 323.5/608.8
4 - 325.9/636.7
5*- 337.4/688.2
5 - 332.7/679.7
6 - 349.1/719.9
6 - 350.9/715.8


*


On 7/16/04 the Race-upgraded version with speed loader was run on the same truck at same dyno.* same run parameters with the exception of warmer weather:


1 - 250.7/461.1
2 - 298.1/543.1
3 - 314.2/581.8
3 - 313.6/581.7
4 - 325.1/614
4 - 320.9/591.5
5 - 337.8/636.2
5 - 334.1/662.1
6 - 355.8/696
6 - 351.2/685.4
6 - 355.0/693.8



My only observations were that level 5 and 6 would puff and bit more than the old version when i first started the test, about like a juce on level 4, then it would immediately clear up for the remainder of the run.* max boost was about 20 lbs. via the electronic gauge connected to the six gun, plus a manual gauge connected directly to the actuator line (which read about 1 psi higher).* Also it ran very hot in level 5 and 6.* while running a 30-75 MPH 20 sec sweep i could only get to 50MPH before i was hitting 1450* at which point it started backing power down.* i think this is why it didn't make much more than the original box.* i also tried a 50-75MPH sweep for 9 seconds to try and get to the optimum RPM range before the heat built up but i was unsuccessful and that run failed to yield more power.


This truck still had the Cat converter installed.

No danger of killing a tranny with that one........maybe if you got bored fell asleep and hit a tree...chances are the tranny would survive.......I vote Banks the best written advertising award

No danger of killing a tranny with that one........maybe if you got bored fell asleep and hit a tree...chances are the tranny would survive.......I vote Banks the best written advertising award





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I think the 6-gun is a good effort but not worthy of being called a race box or an end of all ends. TTS and EDGE got'em wupped. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


RichEdited by: Burner

Any chance you have a stock type base run for both tests? Jan. and July.


Just to make sure the truck/dyno hasn't changed.


I'm with Tony. Maybe some more boost might clear up that little EGT/power backdown problem http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif.


Does the truck have a Big Head Actuator?


All in all disappointing results. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I haven't run mine yet. No time.


So I loaned it to a friend. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





Sorry Guy,


not my truck and we didn't unhook the 6 gun either day and run a true stock run. level 1 is as close as it gets. best chance would have been to have an old and new module to switch back and forth, but it just didn't happen that way. i have a friend who will be upgrading his, i may see if i can get a new and old box at the same time for a same-day test... as i said earlier, i still think the heat was hurting it (backing down power) bigtime. if i run the test on the other truck it has no cat, and has a full 4" exhaust, plus its a 2002. i don't remember if the 2003 i tested had exhaust or not to be honest.. i think it had the banks cat-back w/o b ig head. if the owners feels like chiming in he can clarify.

That's hard to believe.........


If they can run side by side with the 155hp Bullydog with these numbers, more power to 'em.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

The latest numbers for the 6-gun on the dyno:


396hp@2900rpm


777tq@2400rpm


That's more like it.

banks given numbers? that at the wheels?


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Done at So Cal dyno day, at the rear wheels.

Scotty, how is the seat of the pants feel compared to the Juice/Attitude? Which pulls harder below 2000 rpm?

To me they seem pretty close all the way up. I ran my friend's Juice/attitude (125hp) with mine on level 5 and his with low-boost fueling on 5 and defuel on the 4-5 shift. I could get about a fender length on him from the start and we stayed that way until the speed limiter. I have yet to run against the Hot Juice with mine on level 6.

Not too shabbyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


Can you shange what egt the banks backs down or turn it off temporarily?(beside yanking the pyro)


A couple other guys were complaining that thier banks with stock wg and actuator were running in the 20 psi range. Strangehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif


What kinda boost were you running Scotty?


IMO stock trany and boxs that backs down pretty much evens the playing field. Banks could be running twice the power but it aint going to put it down any better than a juice or like wise.

You can't change the egt settings that are in the module. I believe version 1 was set at 1350 for the backdown and version 2 has been bumped up to 1500. I have yet to purchase the egt and boost gauges for mine, so I can't tell you what I'm running for boost. I'm thinking about getting the pillar mount soon, though. I would think it's going to be close to 25-26psi.

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25 to 26 is what mine's making. spanked regular cab 125hp bullydog d-max with my crew cab shortbox

mine has never seen over 22 pounds of boost (new version on level six), maybe I will invest in the big head soon.


No danger of killing a tranny with that one....


If that proves to be the case then I will be very happy and 3-4 g's richer. I have already started to put money aside incase I do encounter tranny issues in the future. Levels 5-6 are plenty strong and have me very satisfied (atleast for nowhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif), although I wouldn't mind a bit more smoke.

Hi guys, Mine was the one that ran the 396/777 at the wheels. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif I can hit 24-25 pounds of boost. I haven't ran against anyone with the Juice on the road so I can't comment on that. I can say that it fell right in line with the guys running the 125 juice as far as Dyno numbers from what I saw. Runs strong to me and eats MODIFIED Hemis easily.


As far as killing tranny's. I'll be selective in running levels 5-6 before I get the trans done. According to some of the guys I've talked to anything over an average of 80 horse and your on limited time. Just my 2 cents.

What does the Hot Juice actually lay down on the dyno? Anybody dyno the Bullydog Powerpup 155hp?

FWIW I ran 387.7 on the dyno with the regular juice on 5/5, netted 130hp gain over stock. On the other hand both of my stock runs were 20hp higher than the other stock duramaxes at the same event for whatever reason. It might have only ran 368 on a different truck.

I have a version 2 six-gun and gauges. Max boost appears to be 20, maybe 22 once, with stock actuator and stock exhaust still. I'm thinking it's better exhaust that's providing him 25.


Terrain Twister- Are your gauges the Banks ones run by the 'gun?? BTW, Thanks for the effort and the numbers.

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Camstyn,


I would say the reason your truck made 20 more horses than everyone else, is that you have a manual trans. There is always less horsepower loss through a manual vs. auto.

I think there's two different angles going on here. One is, people are trying to compare the Banks 6-gun with true all-out racing programs that require heavy modifications to your transmission. Of course it's not going to run with a Quad 215 or VA 200+ box. But for adding impressive power gains while keeping your transmission stock, the Banks more than holds it's own with the 2nd version. For the record, I DID race a 6.0L Ford equipped with the Edge, and it wasn't me that lost.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

sdaver whats your 1/4 mile time with just the edge. you probaly don't know since you have the other mods so it would be hard to do a straight up comparision. maybe I will take mine to the track tonight and find out what the six-gun can do. mine is the new version.

Jon,


My gauges are the ISSPRO's.

just got back from milan dragway and after screwing around and working through my nerves got the truck to run 14.333 1/4 mile at 93.73 mph 1.943 60ft will try to start new topic and post time slip, the other time also belongs to a duramax with edge juice 150 hp stacked with quad (can't remember hp) propane and suncoast transmission it was gmc crew cab short box he knows tomac and eric, he ran better then what this slip indicates 13.45 1/4 mile at 103.97 mph 1.987 60ft again this was not his best time of the day all and all I was extremly happy with the six-gun and I would be interested to know what similiar edge set up runs Edited by: bigd

Nice run for the gun. Locked in 4wd?


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sdaver whats your 1/4 mile time with just the edge. you probaly don't know since you have the other mods so it would be hard to do a straight up comparision. maybe* I will take mine to the track tonight and find out what the six-gun can do. mine is the new version.**

9.03 WITH 90 HP JUICE IN THE 1/8.........8.8 WITH THE ATTITUDE 145.......8.30'S STACKED Edited by: sdaver

lowered torsion bars till they bottomed out, locked in 4wheel till I got out of second, due to the fact I was running 305s and my tires were pointing away (negative toe due to lowering t-bars) from each other, I think i could improve my e.t if I could get rid of all the drag. my 1/8 time was 9.135 the other d-max was only 8.709 edged stacked with propane if that says anything about the track conditions (ambieant temp-altitude) verses what sdaver ran with his. sdaver whats your opinion.

I am running 8.80 with 125 juice/***.......stock trans. In about 2 weeks we will see what she can do with a modded trans.

Even though you switched to 2wd when shifting into 3rd, the front end is still engaged until you let off of the throttle to let it "slip" out. Basically, you're in 4wd the length of the track.

When running your quarter do you do it with tow/haul on or off? Also, do you shift manually or let the auto transmission just do it? I have never done any racing so just curious what gets the best results.

Just from my observation, it doesn't make any difference in 1/4 mile times whether you have the tow/haul on or off. I would think it's easier on your Allison if it WAS in tow/haul. I also don't think you could improve performance if you shifted the transmission yourself. Basically, you would be holding it in gear a while longer, but the horsepower and torque fall off after the 3250 shift point anyway. I'm just speaking for what I have seen with the Hypertech, Bullydog and 6-gun. Others with modified transmissions and BIG boxes like the VA 200+ may have different results.....

If I leave the tow/haul off I run .5 slower.

Corrected numbers for the 6-gun on the latest dyno run mentioned above...


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after: +149hp +351tqhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


PeterT,


Has Banks put the latest version on the dyno yet? It would be interesting to see the dyno graph comparing the two versions, and what numbers you guys come up with....

WITH THE 6-GUNN IM NORMALLY RUNNING 25- 27 PSI OF BOOST W/ OUT THE SPEED LOADER