I seen an add for the new cummins today in a farm magazine. And to my suprise, not one single mention of HP or torque. Only selling poit they had was that the new motor was, and i quote, "The new 6.7 liter Cummins diesel has the largest displacment longest stroke design in its class for the most torque at the lowest rpm." I guess Ford Can reply with "I got more turbo's and pistons and.. and.. and.. uh other stuff than you got:D . We as Dmax owners should just sit back and watch the shinanigans. :cool:

I seen an add for the new cummins today in a farm magazine. And to my suprise, not one single mention of HP or torque. Only selling poit they had was that the new motor was, and i quote, "The new 6.7 liter Cummins diesel has the largest displacment longest stroke design in its class for the most torque at the lowest rpm." I guess Ford Can reply with "I got more turbo's and pistons and.. and.. and.. uh other stuff than you got:D . We as Dmax owners should just sit back and watch the shinanigans. :cool:


Ur totally right, with emmissions and all, the LMM is definately # 1 king with the most powerful diesel available!!!:exactly:


The GM Duramax Diesel is definately the best designed diesel that I have seen so far. With how quiet and smooth the Duramax trucks run, they still make amazing neck snapping power!

Way to go GM, you have made many of us proud GM customers and enthusiasts!
:ro)

Ur totally right, with emmissions and all, the LMM is definately # 1 king with the most powerful diesel available!!!:exactly:


The GM Duramax Diesel is definately the best designed diesel that I have seen so far. With how quiet and smooth the Duramax trucks run, they still make amazing neck snapping power!

Way to go GM, you have made many of us proud GM customers and enthusiasts!
:ro)

:exactly:!!

Stay on top of it GM! We know you're watching us lol

now just put a sfa on the 3/4 and 1tons and you have it gm

now just put a sfa on the 3/4 and 1tons and you have it gm

X2

I would be more than happy sticking with IFS......if......they could come from the factory with the same ride height as a new F-250....

o..and lets not forget bigger tires...

I would be more than happy sticking with IFS......if......they could come from the factory with the same ride height as a new F-250....I would be happy if they came out with higher load rating and bigger tires. 4,800 lbs front axle load rating is just barely adequate when the front already weighs 4,000 lbs unloaded. They need at least an optional 6,000 lb front axle.

But then, I think GM is acting like IBM did with personal computers in the '80's. They are affraid it would steal sales from the medium duty trucks.

Giving back the option of a manual would be nice. Oh and could I have leather with that, both Ford and Dodge think that if I spend $40k plus that I should get what I want. But that wasn't quite enough for me to buy that new dodge I was looking at. Maybe that's why they don't offer it anymore, they don't care.

i think GM should have a solid axle option that way us guys and girls that want one we can get one from the factory i would pay for that option

not sure of the original source of this but was published in my TDR magazine a few months back (issue 53). It seems Cummins has realized the highest HP in the market is not the focal point with most customers; reliablility is and that is what they are sticking to.

{Speaking of competition, this is the part that really sets Cummins so far above the Dmax and PSD...

"The emphasis with a commercial truck like the Chassis Cab is not the horsepower race but cost of ownership. Therefore the engine is rated for a combination of power and economy of operation. 305hp@2900 and 610tq@1600."

It will have a VV turbo with built in 245 ft-lb of exhaust braking versus 185 typical for an aftermarket EB.

"Cummins has retained the design and construction features that give it the "million mile" legacy. It is still THE ONLY PICKUP/CHASSISCAB ENGINE THAT IS MEDIUM DUTY with a 300,000 mile overhaul interval, versus 100,000 mile for the competition."

The Duramax has truly proven it is a 100,000 mile throwaway BIC lighter design. Sure it can do dam good these days sled pulling and drag racing. But in the real world it is a durability disaster. GM has struck again with a car rated diesel that suffers inscessant fuel system failures and when taken to extremes it self destructs.

The 6.0 liter Navistar has also failed the test miserably. It isn't even a contender anymore.

Both the Dmax and the 6.0 liter PSD suffer from the "most hp" design syndrome that created these disposable engines.}

having read this prior to buying and driving one of the new Mega cabs you can see I still made the right choice in a truck.

TDR - You just need to look at the source.:rolleyes:

That "million mile" legacy comes from the big OTR trucks not necessarily from Dodge. Seems to me that there are an awful lot of Duramax trucks in this forum with a heck of a lot more than 100,000 miles and still going strong. This ain't too bad considering the short time that the Duramax has been in production.

Yes Cummins builds a good engine, but look at what's wrapped around it! -:t

Yes Cummins builds a good engine, but look at what's wrapped around it! -:t


exactly why I bought and LOVE my Chevy! just towed my camper again yesterday and it returned 12.4 MPG @75mph the first time out I only got in the high 9's with the cruise on 68mph.

"The emphasis with a commercial truck like the Chassis Cab is not the horsepower race but cost of ownership. Therefore the engine is rated for a combination of power and economy of operation. 305hp@2900 and 610tq@1600." Engine may cost less to maintain. However the rest of the truck will cost more to maintain.

"Cummins has retained the design and construction features that give it the "million mile" legacy. It is still THE ONLY PICKUP/CHASSISCAB ENGINE THAT IS MEDIUM DUTY with a 300,000 mile overhaul interval, versus 100,000 mile for the competition." The motor may well last that long. The truck and trans sure will not. Dodge autos are notorious for failing before 75,000 miles when pulling heavy with a diesel.

The Duramax has truly proven it is a 100,000 mile throwaway BIC lighter design. Sure it can do dam good these days sled pulling and drag racing. But in the real world it is a durability disaster. GM has struck again with a car rated diesel that suffers inscessant fuel system failures and when taken to extremes it self destructs. You mean I should have thrown away my 01 Duramax with 135,000 miles on it instead of selling it for 20,000 dollars. By the way no engine repairs were ever needed on the truck, infact the only repairs were worn shocks and tires. It was used to pull a 12,000 pound RV. Current owner has 160,000 plus miles on that 01. He uses it to pull excavating equipment. He has had no troubles with the truck.

The 6.0 liter Navistar has also failed the test miserably. It isn't even a contender anymore. No arguement here. The 6.0 is a troubled engine. The old 7.3 was much better.

Both the Dmax and the 6.0 liter PSD suffer from the "most hp" design syndrome that created these disposable engines.}

having read this prior to buying and driving one of the new Mega cabs you can see I still made the right choice in a truck.

No argument the 5.9 cummins is a great engine. I just cant say the same about the auto trans or the truck it is wrapped in.

There are many Duramax's out there with 200,000 plus miles and no major problems. Few allisons fail unless there has been lots of power added. Heck I ran the HOT juice on my 01 for 100,000 miles. No issue with the trans.

The rest of the truck did not fall apart as it got the miles added on either.

Right now the only real choice in the market is if you want a Chevy or a GMC.

keep up the good work GM!:ro)

ya i throw mine away it had 130000 miles on it juiced not one thing no injecter problem nothing for 20000 cash it was a 2001 first year they made em 41380 plus tax sticker on my new lbz 51485 i love these trucks

this one sure seems to have some miles left in her-she's just getting broken in
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/8296803-2003-Dodge-Ram-2500-DIESEL-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4628648482QQcategoryZ119143QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

there another gentleman in ohio that just past the one million miles mark in his 94 cummins. i believe he rebuilt the tranny at around 900,000 miles. his name is tom olding. can do a google search.
there is a few cummins owners on a couple sites i check out that have around 400,000 miles on their trucks-still going strong.

I agree...Cumminings is a great engine, but the truck they put them in are freakin junk....I've seen more than my fair share of broken trans dodge rams...gas and diesel...And many more problems within the truck.This goes for there minivans and cars too.....

I personally never bothered looking into anything other than a GM...I bought my truck because I wanted a 1 ton GM truck. No one told me I was buying a Caddilac with enough torque to pull over a house. I knew these trucks were nice,but I wasn't expecting this

Would I take a GM with a Cumminings in it?....Fawk yea!

Would I take a Ram with a Duramax in it?......Not on a cold day in hell!

I would be happy if they came out with higher load rating and bigger tires. 4,800 lbs front axle load rating is just barely adequate when the front already weighs 4,000 lbs unloaded. They need at least an optional 6,000 lb front axle.

But then, I think GM is acting like IBM did with personal computers in the '80's. They are affraid it would steal sales from the medium duty trucks.
so drop the small truck line up. they suck anyways. besides i see more and more 250/0, 350/0 sized trucks every day. people want bigger and stronger. it only the big city burocrats that say smaller and cleaner. i say nuke the east and steal the oil, put up big fans to blow away the smog and everything will be gravy. kinda got off topic sorry

I agree...Cumminings is a great engine, but the truck they put them in are freakin junk....I've seen more than my fair share of broken trans dodge rams...gas and diesel...And many more problems within the truck.This goes for there minivans and cars too.....

I personally never bothered looking into anything other than a GM...I bought my truck because I wanted a 1 ton GM truck. No one told me I was buying a Caddilac with enough torque to pull over a house. I knew these trucks were nice,but I wasn't expecting this

Would I take a GM with a Cummins in it?....Fawk yea!

Would I take a Ram with a Duramax in it?......Not on a cold day in hell!

I would not take a GM truck with a Cummins in it. Sure they are a good solid motor, but there are better ones out there!! JMHO

not sure of the original source of this but was published in my TDR magazine a few months back (issue 53). It seems Cummins has realized the highest HP in the market is not the focal point with most customers; reliablility is and that is what they are sticking to.

{Speaking of competition, this is the part that really sets Cummins so far above the Dmax and PSD...

"The emphasis with a commercial truck like the Chassis Cab is not the horsepower race but cost of ownership. Therefore the engine is rated for a combination of power and economy of operation. 305hp@2900 and 610tq@1600."

It will have a VV turbo with built in 245 ft-lb of exhaust braking versus 185 typical for an aftermarket EB.

"Cummins has retained the design and construction features that give it the "million mile" legacy. It is still THE ONLY PICKUP/CHASSISCAB ENGINE THAT IS MEDIUM DUTY with a 300,000 mile overhaul interval, versus 100,000 mile for the competition."

The Duramax has truly proven it is a 100,000 mile throwaway BIC lighter design. Sure it can do dam good these days sled pulling and drag racing. But in the real world it is a durability disaster. GM has struck again with a car rated diesel that suffers inscessant fuel system failures and when taken to extremes it self destructs.

The 6.0 liter Navistar has also failed the test miserably. It isn't even a contender anymore.

Both the Dmax and the 6.0 liter PSD suffer from the "most hp" design syndrome that created these disposable engines.}

having read this prior to buying and driving one of the new Mega cabs you can see I still made the right choice in a truck.

Why dont you talk to "Rick D Lance" on this site, and see how many miles his duramax went, before it started Knocking, over 300,000 and all that truck did was haul loads across America!! Thats reliabilty there!!!!!!!!!

I beat the day lights out of my 03 hauling 10K loads chipped for 55K and it preformed like a champ. I think all these diesels are capable of 250K if they're taken care of,except Fords 6.0 mess. I think the debate over which vehicle lasts the longest is moot. All of these trucks start to fall apart at 150K to 200K when they get around 6 yrs old, so who cares if the motors are still running if the rest of the truck is junk. No question the Cummins makes the Dodge truck what it is and is a great motor. I think the new GMC's are going to really pull ahead of the competition, the interiors are really nice.

Best engine in the world? + The most worthless bucket of trash around it including transmision = DODGE It is the whole picture here kids. I love my GM's , i have had nothing but Fords on the farm, and i would put both of them way ahead of my brothers Dodge which after $4500 bucks three trannys, numerous front axle steering problems, and finally a door rust through. He got smart and bought a Dmax 40k not one part! We could sit here all day and argue, but the Dodge owners cant type long before they have to return to the garage to fix somethin. That should stir the pot....

Even GM's gassers out perform Dodge and Ford gassers.(Pre-Hemi aka gas guzzler) The 5.3 is a screamer for being a small V8! Granted since the Hemi came out us GMers have to step up to the 6.0 to compete but the old 5.9 Dodge engines in the 3/4 tons sucked. No power, no torque, 8-10mpg with a junk asssssss tranny!

o..and lets not forget bigger tires...
hopefully wheel wells that actually are big enough!!!!!!!!:ro)

Gm,allison and dmax are the best team out there. There is not a close second. There is a guy that lives the next town over and he has 700,000 miles on his

not sure of the original source of this but was published in my TDR magazine a few months back (issue 53). It seems Cummins has realized the highest HP in the market is not the focal point with most customers; reliablility is and that is what they are sticking to.

{Speaking of competition, this is the part that really sets Cummins so far above the Dmax and PSD...

"The emphasis with a commercial truck like the Chassis Cab is not the horsepower race but cost of ownership. Therefore the engine is rated for a combination of power and economy of operation. 305hp@2900 and 610tq@1600."

It will have a VV turbo with built in 245 ft-lb of exhaust braking versus 185 typical for an aftermarket EB.

"Cummins has retained the design and construction features that give it the "million mile" legacy. It is still THE ONLY PICKUP/CHASSISCAB ENGINE THAT IS MEDIUM DUTY with a 300,000 mile overhaul interval, versus 100,000 mile for the competition."

The Duramax has truly proven it is a 100,000 mile throwaway BIC lighter design. Sure it can do dam good these days sled pulling and drag racing. But in the real world it is a durability disaster. GM has struck again with a car rated diesel that suffers inscessant fuel system failures and when taken to extremes it self destructs.

The 6.0 liter Navistar has also failed the test miserably. It isn't even a contender anymore.

Both the Dmax and the 6.0 liter PSD suffer from the "most hp" design syndrome that created these disposable engines.}

having read this prior to buying and driving one of the new Mega cabs you can see I still made the right choice in a truck.

I do not fully agree with this. Cummins has a good engine, don't get me wrong, but I work for Freightliner and the 5.9 in box trucks that is used and abused goes through a VP44 injection pump in less than 200,000 miles. Not MILLION miles. I know a guy with 400,000 miles on his 98 dodge with a manual trans and stock eng. with NO major problems though, and lots of towing and hauling.

I do not fully agree with this. Cummins has a good engine, don't get me wrong, but I work for Freightliner and the 5.9 in box trucks that is used and abused goes through a VP44 injection pump in less than 200,000 miles. Not MILLION miles. I know a guy with 400,000 miles on his 98 dodge with a manual trans and stock eng. with NO major problems though, and lots of towing and hauling.

The VP44 is known to have problems, thats why they dont use it anymore. And it is not made by Cummins, but by Bosch, the same people that make our injection system.

Doesn't Bosch make the injections system on the new cummings motor too?

Doesn't Bosch make the injections system on the new cummings motor too?

Yes

this one sure seems to have some miles left in her-she's just getting broken in
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/8296803-2003-Dodge-Ram-2500-DIESEL-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4628648482QQcategoryZ119143QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

there another gentleman in ohio that just past the one million miles mark in his 94 cummins. i believe he rebuilt the tranny at around 900,000 miles. his name is tom olding. can do a google search.
there is a few cummins owners on a couple sites i check out that have around 400,000 miles on their trucks-still going strong.


I will respect all opinions. Just be careful of comparisons;

I have a friend with 300,000 miles on his 1990 Dodge/Cummins with nothing major until now (turbo needs replaced soon).

So I guess that means that there isn't a 1990 Chevy/Duramax out there that can touch it.:cool:

I will respect all opinions. Just be careful of comparisons;

I have a friend with 300,000 miles on his 1990 Dodge/Cummins with nothing major until now (turbo needs replaced soon).

So I guess that means that there isn't a 1990 Chevy/Duramax out there that can touch it.:cool:

Now no offense but you have to compare apples to apples.... By the same token I have not seen a 2005 dodge in the 11 second category, all of the fast cummins I have seen are early 90's mechanicals..... But do not get me wrong I like the Cummins engine and the Duramax, but I like the Chevy and the allison better. I would LOVE to build a 67-72 chevy with a 94-97 mechanical 12 valve Cummins and a 5 speed manual for pullin'.):h :ro)

We can sit and argue about whos the best in diesel engine its really hard to compare V8 to inlines. What bothers me is cummins Claims the New 6.7 is Medium Duty power. I thought Medium Duty power had to be at least 7-9 L in my book also dodge talks up the Cummins so why does big brother Freightliner not have that option in any of there truck lines. Also look at all the Major Class 8 trucks they are just about all having a In House Engine option Paccar is even buying Cummins and Branding them as a Paccar Engine lol. Dodge claims the reason for cummins is cause thats what the customers want so why do the Freightliner Customers get the Shaft when they Ask for Cummins

We can sit and argue about whos the best in diesel engine its really hard to compare V8 to inlines. What bothers me is cummins Claims the New 6.7 is Medium Duty power. I thought Medium Duty power had to be at least 7-9 L in my book also dodge talks up the Cummins so why does big brother Freightliner not have that option in any of there truck lines. Also look at all the Major Class 8 trucks they are just about all having a In House Engine option Paccar is even buying Cummins and Branding them as a Paccar Engine lol. Dodge claims the reason for cummins is cause thats what the customers want so why do the Freightliner Customers get the Shaft when they Ask for Cummins

The Freightliner customers get a far superior engine, Mercedes Power!! Cummins makes a good enigne, but there is better ones in the market, and the Mercedes is one of them. I have said this a few times before, Cummins has lost alot of business in the AG industry to other makes ( SISU, IVECO, CAT/Perkins.) and has got to be a reason for that, more R&D maybe? Cummins cannot just keep building the same stuff and expect to keep customers, especially in this day and age. My Dads Business Class M2 ( MBE 4000 ) is a torque monster, and I/He would not trade it for anything!!! JMHO

We can sit and argue about whos the best in diesel engine its really hard to compare V8 to inlines. What bothers me is cummins Claims the New 6.7 is Medium Duty power. I thought Medium Duty power had to be at least 7-9 L in my book also dodge talks up the Cummins so why does big brother Freightliner not have that option in any of there truck lines. Also look at all the Major Class 8 trucks they are just about all having a In House Engine option Paccar is even buying Cummins and Branding them as a Paccar Engine lol. Dodge claims the reason for cummins is cause thats what the customers want so why do the Freightliner Customers get the Shaft when they Ask for Cummins


Even the 5.9 was rated as a med. duty engine.

not too sure about everyone else out there, but i dont know of anyone like me that has owned approx. 1 million $$$ in the big 3's trucks, and i am not partial to one or the other, but i can say GM puts out a better truck hands down over ford and dodge. i have owned 4 duramax's, 1 2001 powerstroke, and 1 2005 cummins, and i can honestly say the cummins was great, but the trans started dying @ 7k miles when i traded it in. i did have the edge on there set between settings 3 and 4, but all you have to do is walk up to a dodge truck and you can push the entire door in, not to mention the durability of the paint dodge uses is sh-t! and i have the same crap paint on my viper that needs a new paint job on the nose after 20k miles! although i must say, GM needs to fire their design team, and start making trucks that look more aggressive like ford and dodge, and tell the guy who designs the wheels to put the crack pipe down, painted wagon wheels went out about 20 or 30 years ago!):h

even the freightliner comes with the allison 2000,what's that say for durability....drive one at work...great tranny-michael

not too sure about everyone else out there, but i dont know of anyone like me that has owned approx. 1 million $$$ in the big 3's trucks, and i am not partial to one or the other, but i can say GM puts out a better truck hands down over ford and dodge. i have owned 4 duramax's, 1 2001 powerstroke, and 1 2005 cummins, and i can honestly say the cummins was great, but the trans started dying @ 7k miles when i traded it in. i did have the edge on there set between settings 3 and 4, but all you have to do is walk up to a dodge truck and you can push the entire door in, not to mention the durability of the paint dodge uses is sh-t! and i have the same crap paint on my viper that needs a new paint job on the nose after 20k miles! although i must say, GM needs to fire their design team, and start making trucks that look more aggressive like ford and dodge, and tell the guy who designs the wheels to put the crack pipe down, painted wagon wheels went out about 20 or 30 years ago!):h

Did you see the 2008 GMC? Pretty sweet. I love my Superduty, but I'd take a serious look at one of those. If they half-scaled the GMC logo on the grill, it would be even better. I like a little truck with my logo!!!!!!!!!

Did you see the 2008 GMC? Pretty sweet. I love my Superduty, but I'd take a serious look at one of those. If they half-scaled the GMC logo on the grill, it would be even better. I like a little truck with my logo!!!!!!!!!



I agree moldman...

The New Body style GMC's do look Really Sweet!
I cant wait to get mine!!!

The new HD will look even better with a HUGE Smoothed out Chrome billet grille and no logo.

not too sure about everyone else out there, but i dont know of anyone like me that has owned approx. 1 million $$$ in the big 3's trucks, and i am not partial to one or the other, but i can say GM puts out a better truck hands down over ford and dodge. i have owned 4 duramax's, 1 2001 powerstroke, and 1 2005 cummins, and i can honestly say the cummins was great, but the trans started dying @ 7k miles when i traded it in. i did have the edge on there set between settings 3 and 4, but all you have to do is walk up to a dodge truck and you can push the entire door in, not to mention the durability of the paint dodge uses is sh-t! and i have the same crap paint on my viper that needs a new paint job on the nose after 20k miles! although i must say, GM needs to fire their design team, and start making trucks that look more aggressive like ford and dodge, and tell the guy who designs the wheels to put the crack pipe down, painted wagon wheels went out about 20 or 30 years ago!):h

:rolleyes: I like this guy! You said it!

exactly why I bought and LOVE my Chevy! just towed my camper again yesterday and it returned 12.4 MPG @75mph the first time out I only got in the high 9's with the cruise on 68mph.

man i wish I could get your milage with my 30ft TT. it has the same shape as a toy hauler (look in my garage)weights around 7800 empty and I only get 9.5 DIC and hand calc towing @ 65mph on our michigan FLAT roads. unless your toy weights 4k you might see 12 but @ 75 no way, I have 10k on my LBZ and @ 75mph empty I only get 17 and thats includes the camper shell that is even with my roof line, less with out it

We have an Lb7 and we get a little over 12 pulling a 29.5 foot jayco fiver. But I have an Efi live tow tune that bobo made.

That new Cummins 6.7 liter will also be offered on the new Dodge 3500 chassis cab with a new 6 speed automatic Aisin with PTO capability or a 6 speed manual. I looked at one last week in SC and the frame rails are stout. Can't beat the GM ride though.

Wonder why I see so many Fords and Dodges with their front wheels caked with brake dust.I drove my truck a month once without washing it and still no brake dust,hope their is not something wrong with it!

My 2000 1/2 ton went 75,000 before it needed brakes in the rear but the fronts still had about 65-70%. I hear the 3/4 tons will go well beyond that. Cant say that for ford or dodge.

million mile dodge- there are a couple of articles out there on it that are newer than this one

http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/f48/7-year-old-pickup-rolls-toward-1-million-miles-2995.html

million mile dodge- there are a couple of articles out there on it that are newer than this one
Wonder why they didnt mention the tranny? :rolleyes:

million mile dodge- there are a couple of articles out there on it that are newer than this one

http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/f48/7-year-old-pickup-rolls-toward-1-million-miles-2995.html

Wonder why they didnt mention the tranny? :rolleyes:

or the rest of the truck.......... :p:

This is really funny. every one on this forum says the Dmax is the best.
at the PSD forum everyone says the powerstroke is the best.
and at the the dodge forums they say the cummins is the best.

all three has their high points.

GM - they ride really nice.very good motor and trans.
but they don't have a solid front axle. tiny tires, dated design.

Ford - good looking truck good trans, newer motor doing good.
but they ride really rough,older motor have known problems.

Dodge - looks good, very good motor,the ride good too.
but they need a 6 speed auto.

And something else most of you should think about before bashing other brands.

like ford are trash - is ford more diesel trucks then gm and dodge put together. so maybe thats why there is a higher problem rate compared to the D-max because there is twice as many PSD out there?

don't go sayin the D-max rules the diesel world because it don't.
its a very good motor.
untill the d-max has been around as long as the cummins and stands up like the cummins then thats a false statment.
and I'm sure all of you are going to say the tranny is junk! right.
wrong the 47re were junk not the 48re! no its not a allison but your d-max is not a cummins either.

My buddies allison was just replaced with only 8,000 miles on it is fair for me to tell him his tranny is junk? and while he was at the dealership. one of the head diesel machanics said that the allison has a 5% repair rate, dodge's 48re has a 3% rate while ford has a 2% rate.
but you guys won't believe that.
All I'm trying to say is they are all great trucks and to call one the all around best is stupid.

Because its not fair for me to tell you all your d-max's are junk because of the 5% repair rate on the tranny, the first gens injectors all fail,the overheating problems, aluminum heads, gm rated 250,000mile over haul,dated design,tiny tires,plastic interior,IFS front axle, weaker frame.
know would it.?

I know you all will begain to bash me for what i'm saying but I'm not lying about nothing.
and I'm not calling your trucks trash I'm doing the same thing you had been doing.

This is really funny. every one on this forum says the Dmax is the best.
at the PSD forum everyone says the powerstroke is the best.
and at the the dodge forums they say the cummins is the best.

all three has their high points.

GM - they ride really nice.very good motor and trans.
but they don't have a solid front axle. tiny tires, dated design.

Ford - good looking truck good trans, newer motor doing good.
but they ride really rough,older motor have known problems.

Dodge - looks good, very good motor,the ride good too.
but they need a 6 speed auto.

And something else most of you should think about before bashing other brands.

like ford are trash - is ford more diesel trucks then gm and dodge put together. so maybe thats why there is a higher problem rate compared to the D-max because there is twice as many PSD out there?

don't go sayin the D-max rules the diesel world because it don't.
its a very good motor.
untill the d-max has been around as long as the cummins and stands up like the cummins then thats a false statment.
and I'm sure all of you are going to say the tranny is junk! right.
wrong the 47re were junk not the 48re! no its not a allison but your d-max is not a cummins either.

My buddies allison was just replaced with only 8,000 miles on it is fair for me to tell him his tranny is junk? and while he was at the dealership. one of the head diesel machanics said that the allison has a 5% repair rate, dodge's 48re has a 3% rate while ford has a 2% rate.
but you guys won't believe that.
All I'm trying to say is they are all great trucks and to call one the all around best is stupid.

Because its not fair for me to tell you all your d-max's are junk because of the 5% repair rate on the tranny, the first gens injectors all fail,the overheating problems, aluminum heads, gm rated 250,000mile over haul,dated design,tiny tires,plastic interior,IFS front axle, weaker frame.
know would it.?

I know you all will begain to bash me for what i'm saying but I'm not lying about nothing.
and I'm not calling your trucks trash I'm doing the same thing you had been doing.

Hey,

Bringing up aluminum heads makes no sense, after all what are the pistons in the Cummins made of?? VW has been putting aluminum heads on diesels since the 1970's, with out problems.

Do you have any proof that 2500HD have weaker frames? SFA vs IFS is a preference, nothing more. Solid axle trucks ride like a wallowing pig in mud, not the nicest at all. We won't dwell too far into the small tires, after all Dodges seem to love front wheel bearings, and having less rolling mass ( smaller tires ) seems to help. You also seem to forget that Cummins made the ram, not the other way around. If they had not of signed with Cummins, would the RAM even exist now? And yes the Cummins is a good motor, but they are not the diesel of all diesels, other better manufactures exist. ( SISU, CAT/Perkins, Mercedes, Detroit just to name some. ) As for the repair rate, give us some solid evidence, not hearsay. Produce some recalls, or warranty repair info, or TSB please?

I am not bashing you, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should produce some evidence to back up these claims.

JMHO.

Hey,

Bringing up aluminum heads makes no sense, after all what are the pistons in the Cummins made of?? VW has been putting aluminum heads on diesels since the 1970's, with out problems.

Do you have any proof that 2500HD have weaker frames? SFA vs IFS is a preference, nothing more. Solid axle trucks ride like a wallowing pig in mud, not the nicest at all. We won't dwell too far into the small tires, after all Dodges seem to love front wheel bearings, and having less rolling mass ( smaller tires ) seems to help. You also seem to forget that Cummins made the ram, not the other way around. If they had not of signed with Cummins, would the RAM even exist now? And yes the Cummins is a good motor, but they are not the diesel of all diesels, other better manufactures exist. ( SISU, CAT/Perkins, Mercedes, Detroit just to name some. ) As for the repair rate, give us some solid evidence, not hearsay. Produce some recalls, or warranty repair info, or TSB please?

I am not bashing you, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should produce some evidence to back up these claims.

JMHO.


I was not bashing any truck!!!!!!!
I was simply doing the same thing everyone else does on the board.
nobody else proofs their point with facts? then would should I

I do know the Cummins is a better motor then the d-max!
You want facts I suppose look around cummins have been around far longer and will be arould far longer. I bought my truck for the motor not the tranny.
the whole aluminum head thing its common sense a alum head won't last as long or stand up to as much heat as a car iron head. (fact).
and I believe the d-max pistons are alum too. so whats your point there?
where everyone proof that the 48re is a junk tranny? its not as good as a 6 speed auto but dodge fixed that.
All i was sayin is don't go around sayin our trucks are the king when they all are great trucks.

This is really funny. every one on this forum says the Dmax is the best.
at the PSD forum everyone says the powerstroke is the best.
and at the the dodge forums they say the cummins is the best.

all three has their high points.

GM - they ride really nice.very good motor and trans.
but they don't have a solid front axle. tiny tires, dated design.

Ford - good looking truck good trans, newer motor doing good.
but they ride really rough,older motor have known problems.

Dodge - looks good, very good motor,the ride good too.
but they need a 6 speed auto.

And something else most of you should think about before bashing other brands.

like ford are trash - is ford more diesel trucks then gm and dodge put together. so maybe thats why there is a higher problem rate compared to the D-max because there is twice as many PSD out there?

don't go sayin the D-max rules the diesel world because it don't.
its a very good motor.
untill the d-max has been around as long as the cummins and stands up like the cummins then thats a false statment.
and I'm sure all of you are going to say the tranny is junk! right.
wrong the 47re were junk not the 48re! no its not a allison but your d-max is not a cummins either.

My buddies allison was just replaced with only 8,000 miles on it is fair for me to tell him his tranny is junk? and while he was at the dealership. one of the head diesel machanics said that the allison has a 5% repair rate, dodge's 48re has a 3% rate while ford has a 2% rate.
but you guys won't believe that.
All I'm trying to say is they are all great trucks and to call one the all around best is stupid.

Because its not fair for me to tell you all your d-max's are junk because of the 5% repair rate on the tranny, the first gens injectors all fail,the overheating problems, aluminum heads, gm rated 250,000mile over haul,dated design,tiny tires,plastic interior,IFS front axle, weaker frame.
know would it.?

I know you all will begain to bash me for what i'm saying but I'm not lying about nothing.
and I'm not calling your trucks trash I'm doing the same thing you had been doing.

Boy those Ford and Dodge boys sure have an inferiority complex. :rolleyes: I'm sure for good reason. Past experiences and the resulting loss of confidence in Ford or Dodge products keeps me from visiting those forums. Coming here in an attempt to justify their purchase just gives further support to what has already been confirmed........

What was that you were saying about aluminum heads??

It's not that the 12v Cummins lasts forever, it just FEELS like it:

http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/Facts/figures/97dsl-auto.jpg

Boy those Ford and Dodge boys sure have an inferiority complex. :rolleyes: I'm sure for good reason. Past experiences and the resulting loss of confidence in Ford or Dodge products keeps me from visiting those forums. Coming here in an attempt to justify their purchase just gives further support to what has already been confirmed........

What was that you were saying about aluminum heads??


I like all three Ijust don't feel the need to bash the others like ones on here

It's not that the 12v Cummins lasts forever, it just FEELS like it:


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those are old numbers son

Those are the numbers for the 96-98 Cummins that "lasts a million miles".

How long do you think a Dmax would last derated 50%?

There is a 1968 Cadillac with over 1,000,000 miles on it.

Those are the numbers for the 96-98 Cummins that "lasts a million miles".

How long do you think a Dmax would last derated 50%?

There is a 1968 Cadillac with over 1,000,000 miles on it.

YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
those hp and trq numbers were good in those days. not like today were everyones tryin to buy the one with the most power.
untill any dmax lasts that long don't talk about something you know nothing about. and there are newer ones that have over a million miles so open your eyes. and pull it out of the dmax's ass.

let me know when a dmax can run for that many miles, less expenssive to build,easier to work on, and as relieable as a cummins.

you guys are so bull headed .I'm not bashing any truck. they are all good trucks some do stuff better then the others. but one truck is not the king as stated on here.

where i come from most guys buy their truck for relieablity, and towing not the most hp. and besides the dmax isn't up by much 25hp and 40trq.
the thing that makes the dmax what it is, is the tranny. my brother is a mach and a friend is a mach at a chevy dealer. I debated with them before I made my choice. and as great as all you make the dmax sound it has its problems. and they are motor related among other things.
they said to buy a cummins untill gm get the kinks worked out. and one day it will be a great motor but it is still kinda of new. how many changes have then went through thus far? what are there. lbz lby lmm lmp lpt ld5.lol its a joke don't take it to hard.
there are faults with every brand of diesel trucks. it just seems like guys on here think the dmax is perfact. well its not.

another thing is you guys keep comparing the 2nd gen cummins to your 2002 + duramax's lets compare apples to apples 2003+cummins to 2003+dmax.

another thing is you guys keep comparing the 2nd gen cummins to your 2002 + duramax's lets compare apples to apples 2003+cummins to 2003+dmax.

Like trying to compare the 98 Cummins to your 3rd gen with regards to 1,000,000 miles?? I think McRat tried to explain that to you.

BTW, Now that you've revealed your maturity level and so called diesel engine experience in general it can be concluded that you really don't know squat.

On another note I did own two Dodges in the past so an education is not needed here. Both were problem trucks with constant interior, exterior, suspension, and drive train problems with little customer support. And yes even the mighty cummins was not trouble free. Six years and two hard worked GM diesel PU's later I can say that both of these trucks are indeed better in quality. Speaking from experience that is.......

Like trying to compare the 98 Cummins to your 3rd gen with regards to 1,000,000 miles?? I think McRat tried to explain that to you.

BTW, Now that you've revealed your maturity level and so called diesel engine experience in general it can be concluded that you really don't know squat.

On another note I did own two Dodges in the past so an education is not needed here. Both were problem trucks with constant interior, exterior, suspension, and drive train problems with little customer support. And yes even the mighty cummins was not trouble free. Six years and two hard worked GM diesel PU's later I can say that both of these trucks are indeed better in quality. Speaking from experience that is.......


like i said earlier there are 3rd gen approaching a million miles.
I never said there weren't problems with the dodge. did I?
I said you can't go around calling your dmax kings when there are not.
they are great trucks but not the king.
with ford selling more diesel trucks then dodge and Gm put together I'd say the general public would say they are the king in the diesel truck world.
who cares if one makes more power then another if it not going to last as long.

seem like on every board that forum tries to put the other down.

and on the dodge forums I defend the dmax and psd from all the cummins hard heads.

lets face it for the money all these trucks are a great buy price on the dodge is 33000 loaded out great buy price on ford 37500 loaded out price on gmc 42000 loaded out one thing to remember you get what you pay for its the way life is i whanted the best not a good buy i got both gmc da king

seem like on every board that forum tries to put the other down.

and on the dodge forums I defend the dmax and psd from all the cummins hard heads.



Seems as if you've spent quite a bit of time surfing the various forums defending brands without prejudice, and setting the misinformed masses straight. While this is a noble gesture, I feel you might better serve the uneducated if you'd turn a tiny bit of your attention to grammatical correctness and spell check. Have a blessed day. :)

Maybe Cummins engine last longer because they never play by the rules, he they go again on emissions:



The Department of Justice and Cummins Engine Co. have come to an agreement that resolves allegations that Cummins violated a 1998 consent decree. The consent decree required Cummins to correct violations that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said resulted when the company and six other engine producers "blatantly circumvented emission requirements over the preceding four to 10 years." Under the recently announced agreement, Cummins will recall about 11,600 engines and replace the auxiliary emission control devices units with ones that conform to the engine performance parameters of the consent decree, as well as pay a fine of $950,000.
In addition to not meeting the parameters of the consent decree, the Justice Department contends that Cummins also used 1,101 more emission credits under an averaging, banking and trading program established by the decree which led to an excess of 1,000 tons of emissions of NOx; implemented a program (low-NOx rebuild) to equip old engines with new computer software to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions without receiving the required EPA approval; and failed to perform test equipment calibrations within the applicable time limits.
The Justice Department will take comments on the agreement until Nov. 17. Comments should refer to United States vs. Cummins Engine Company, Inc. D.J. Ref. 90-5-2-1-2136A and should be addressed to Assistant Attorney General Environment and Natural Resources Division, P.O. Box 7611, Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20044.

While I am not a tree hugger, this is just going to show, if this company cuts corners on this, the most serious of all diesel engine regulations, what ELSE are they cutting corners on, oh and remember the cracked blocks that sprouted up everywhere? Cummins said it was due to expansion of the cooling fluid in the water jacket due to improper warm up time, I say it was another instance of a cut throat company cutting corners again and leaving customers hung out to dry. Very interesting to see what other problems sprout up in the upcoming years. Oh, yea, and the 48re's are VERY problem ridden, thin clutch packs, weak torque converters, horridly thin and weak input and output shafts, cracked bell housings, valve body failures, 3% repair rate, HA! Go away troll, your only intent is to start a ruckus on here, and it appears you have succeeded. Go to the PSD forum and rag on them, BE GONE!:D

lets face it for the money all these trucks are a great buy price on the dodge is 33000 loaded out great buy price on ford 37500 loaded out price on gmc 42000 loaded out one thing to remember you get what you pay for its the way life is i whanted the best not a good buy i got both gmc da king


well your right you get what you pay for so hows this for a loaded dodge.

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the dodge was 53,315 and the dmax was 53,385.:cool:

Maybe Cummins engine last longer because they never play by the rules, he they go again on emissions:



The Department of Justice and Cummins Engine Co. have come to an agreement that resolves allegations that Cummins violated a 1998 consent decree. The consent decree required Cummins to correct violations that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said resulted when the company and six other engine producers "blatantly circumvented emission requirements over the preceding four to 10 years."Under the recently announced agreement, Cummins will recall about 11,600 engines and replace the auxiliary emission control devices units with ones that conform to the engine performance parameters of the consent decree, as well as pay a fine of $950,000.
In addition to not meeting the parameters of the consent decree, the Justice Department contends that Cummins also used 1,101 more emission credits under an averaging, banking and trading program established by the decree which led to an excess of 1,000 tons of emissions of NOx; implemented a program (low-NOx rebuild) to equip old engines with new computer software to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions without receiving the required EPA approval; and failed to perform test equipment calibrations within the applicable time limits.
The Justice Department will take comments on the agreement until Nov. 17. Comments should refer to United States vs. Cummins Engine Company, Inc. D.J. Ref. 90-5-2-1-2136A and should be addressed to Assistant Attorney General Environment and Natural Resources Division, P.O. Box 7611, Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20044.

While I am not a tree hugger, this is just going to show, if this company cuts corners on this, the most serious of all diesel engine regulations, what ELSE are they cutting corners on, oh and remember the cracked blocks that sprouted up everywhere? Cummins said it was due to expansion of the cooling fluid in the water jacket due to improper warm up time, I say it was another instance of a cut throat company cutting corners again and leaving customers hung out to dry. Very interesting to see what other problems sprout up in the upcoming years. Oh, yea, and the 48re's are VERY problem ridden, thin clutch packs, weak torque converters, horridly thin and weak input and output shafts, cracked bell housings, valve body failures, 3% repair rate, HA! Go away troll, your only intent is to start a ruckus on here, and it appears you have succeeded. Go to the PSD forum and rag on them, BE GONE!:D



you pull any thing out your ass we are talking about the newer cummins not the old ones troll!! and as stated to me before where's your proof of what you say about the 48re? .
and I never said the 48re were better then a allison. they are not!!!!!. the allison is a great tranny as stated before. stop reading past post and picking what you want to talk about.

YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
those hp and trq numbers were good in those days. not like today were everyones tryin to buy the one with the most power.
untill any dmax lasts that long don't talk about something you know nothing about. and there are newer ones that have over a million miles so open your eyes. and pull it out of the dmax's ass.

let me know when a dmax can run for that many miles, less expenssive to build,easier to work on, and as relieable as a cummins.

you guys are so bull headed .I'm not bashing any truck. they are all good trucks some do stuff better then the others. but one truck is not the king as stated on here.

where i come from most guys buy their truck for relieablity, and towing not the most hp. and besides the dmax isn't up by much 25hp and 40trq.
the thing that makes the dmax what it is, is the tranny. my brother is a mach and a friend is a mach at a chevy dealer. I debated with them before I made my choice. and as great as all you make the dmax sound it has its problems. and they are motor related among other things.
they said to buy a cummins untill gm get the kinks worked out. and one day it will be a great motor but it is still kinda of new. how many changes have then went through thus far? what are there. lbz lby lmm lmp lpt ld5.lol its a joke don't take it to hard.
there are faults with every brand of diesel trucks. it just seems like guys on here think the dmax is perfact. well its not.

You say rat doesnt know anything about what he is speaking? I guarantee (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=guarantee&spell=1) he has FORGOT more about diesels than you will ever know. You want proof that 48re's are junk, go to any tranny shop and ask them what kind of tranny they have parts for ON HAND! Why do chevy/gmc sled pullers have allisons, and all dodge sled pullers have manuals????? Because the dodge tranny is a PIECE OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say rat doesnt know anything about what he is speaking? I guarantee (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=guarantee&spell=1) he has FORGOT more about diesels than you will ever know. You want proof that 48re's are junk, go to any tranny shop and ask them what kind of tranny they have parts for ON HAND! Why do chevy/gmc sled pullers have allisons, and all dodge sled pullers have manuals????? Because the dodge tranny is a PIECE OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOUR ASSUMING again.

Instead of going round and round, I will be a diplomat and extend the comprimise of agreeing to disagree. We both think we are correct, so lets leave it at that. OKAY??? Truce!:Handshake

Whenever someone says the Dodge is cheaper or the Ford is cheaper or the Chevy is cheaper, the individual has proved himself completely, absolutely clueless. Add up the same options for each and see that the prices are EXTREMELY Close.

Instead of going round and round, I will be a diplomat and extend the comprimise of agreeing to disagree. We both think we are correct, so lets leave it at that. OKAY??? Truce!:Handshake

I have always agreed that the dmax is a good motor and truck I just don't think its right to call it the king. and degrade dodge and ford.

You Guys are more than welcome to continue to debate the difference in trucks, but leave the personal comments out of the discussion.

I have always agreed that the dmax is a good motor and truck I just don't think its right to call it the king. and degrade dodge and ford.

Not the king of trucks, "LMM remains NUMBER king!!!" Horsepower and torque, whew glad we cleared that up!:D

I was not bashing any truck!!!!!!!
I was simply doing the same thing everyone else does on the board.
nobody else proofs their point with facts? then would should I

I do know the Cummins is a better motor then the d-max!
You want facts I suppose look around cummins have been around far longer and will be arould far longer. I bought my truck for the motor not the tranny.
the whole aluminum head thing its common sense a alum head won't last as long or stand up to as much heat as a car iron head. (fact).
and I believe the d-max pistons are alum too. so whats your point there?
where everyone proof that the 48re is a junk tranny? its not as good as a 6 speed auto but dodge fixed that.
All i was sayin is don't go around sayin our trucks are the king when they all are great trucks.


Hey,

My point is that aluminum will last as long and stand up to just as much as cast iron. If there are any metal engineers around, feel free to chime in here. Isuzu has been building/designing diesels as long as Cummins has been, a search in the net will prove that. And just because it is Japanese does not make it junk. So would you care to explain why Cu8mmins has lost alot of business in the agricultural industry to other companies? ( SISU, Perkins, CAT & Iveco to name a few. ) So why would they have to put a Japanese tranny in their trucks if the 48re is so dependable? Why not just add a 6th gear?

Pat ( McRAT ) tried to explain to you that a detuned engine will out last one that pumps out more HP/Torque. Those million mile trucks are not the new generation, they are the older ones, and why? Simply because they are less powerful than the ones built today.

Not the king of trucks, "LMM remains NUMBER KING!!!" Horsepower and torque, whew glad we cleared that up!:D
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nobody pays list for trucks the prices i mention or what you will pay for a dodge you new it when you read it take your lip some where else


everyone get different deals so how do you know what they all will sell for?. I posted facts from GM and dodge. and just to let you know I paid 30,000 for mine used this year. and mine is an 04. my buddy just a bought a 06 slt ( which is not loaded) quad cab for 38,900 so your still wrong.
I know your going to tell me i got ripped but yet the trucks nada price is around 32,000 used.

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read the first 2 or 3 pages then you will see where I'm coming from

I did!!

2nd Warning. Keep the posts pleasant and respectful or leave them off here.

motorbreath- the original article said he had the tranny rebuilt at 950,000 miles! that articvle i read with that info was out of an ohio newspaper article-which is also online-somewhere!

Whenever someone says the Dodge is cheaper or the Ford is cheaper or the Chevy is cheaper, the individual has proved himself completely, absolutely clueless. Add up the same options for each and see that the prices are EXTREMELY Close.

I priced all 3 brands new with exact or very similar options. Yes, sticker prices were VERY close, but out the door I could have saved $5,000 on the dodge. They had better rebates and were more willing to negotiate. You have to remember, NO ONE pays sticker let alone MSRP!

I priced all 3 brands new with exact or very similar options. Yes, sticker prices were VERY close, but out the door I could have saved $5,000 on the dodge. They had better rebates and were more willing to negotiate. You have to remember, NO ONE pays sticker let alone MSRP!

I hear ya. Remember though, that varies by location and dealer. When I bought my F350 they were all discounting about the same. 11k off list with rebates included. If you show them a deal you're getting on another brand alot of times they will match or beat it, but not always.

Have About 100,000 on my cummins and was nothing but towing, 28ft. wilderness 9,900 gvwr and now a 34ft Cedar Creek 14,900 gvwr. Always towed with amazing gas mileage crusing at 70-75mph. Last summer sent the trans out to get work done not because of failure, just because i wanted to ensure the reliability of it. Those trans never had enough line pressure causing them to shift softly and in the long run fail. The low line pressure increase clutch apply which intense caused clutch and band faliure. Now with that said the 48re was never designed for that type power as same with the chevy 4L80e which was offered in the first gen d-maxs that is why they switched to the allison. So before we go smashing dodge, and the cummins, for a crap transmission remeber it was the first engine in the 600 ft.lbs range and is infact the most reliable engine.
P.S. I own a D-max 06 ext. sb. AND LOVE IT, and it tows the trailers ok, but lets respect all diesel for what each of them offer compared to the other.

"the chevy 4L80e which was offered in the first gen d-maxs"

Never happened. The d-max has been mated with the allison in the pickups from day one.

So before we go smashing dodge, and the cummins, for a crap transmission remeber it was the first engine in the 600 ft.lbs range and is infact the most reliable engine.

Reliable like the 1st gen Cummins? I thought the 600+ torque Cummins was 3rd gen and only out since 03???? Anyway if you were to compare a 3rd gen DMax to a 3rd gen Cummins I think reliability would be close since past issues of both have been addressed.
Having owned 2 Dodges with the Cummins then a LB7 and now a LBZ I'd have to give the nod to the DMax. Per miles traveled I had more problems with the Cummins and a pile of problems with the Dodge trucks in general. Actually both DMax equiped truck were trouble free. (Truck and Engine) The only thing I ever changed on these trucks were fluids,filters, and tires.....Where the difference comes in is the value of the truck as a whole. Since the engine only accounts for about 25% of the total value the remaining 75% is where GM leaves the Dodge behind.

Even GM's gassers out perform Dodge and Ford gassers.(Pre-Hemi aka gas guzzler) The 5.3 is a screamer for being a small V8! Granted since the Hemi came out us GMers have to step up to the 6.0 to compete but the old 5.9 Dodge engines in the 3/4 tons sucked. No power, no torque, 8-10mpg with a junk asssssss tranny!

My brother's 2000 5.3 has 228K, no issues. Not even a water pump or alternator. He's only replaced the fuel pressure regulator at 70K. Quite good for a gasser that gets heavily used.

i sold my 2001 i bought new to a freind for 20.000 cash had a 130.000 miles on the clock a year ago was in the shop one time for a control modgel on the tranny at 70.000 miles cost me $250 never changed a fuel filter till i did the 100.000 mile fluid changes he still has the orignel injecters i hope my new lbz will bring the same $ with that kind of mileage

The L78 396 in the Chevelle an Camaro was 375HP. In the Vette the same motor was rated @ 425HP. I know the deal with the Vette, I don't need it explained to me, but I think you see my point. These numbers ought to be taken with a grain of salt.

the new power numbers are up, 365hp and 660tq. I think the power wars are going to start getting interesting, before long i say we'll be seeing 400hp from the factory.