Cruising around and what did i find?


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Bah! There is no replacement for displacement. When the dust settles, the 6.6 Duramax will stomp the 5.9 and 6.0 engines in the dirt.

Bah! There is no replacement for displacement. When the dust settles, the 6.6 Duramax will stomp the 5.9 and 6.0 engines in the dirt.


Good line of thinking... all we nee dnow is the air to go along with the fuelling, some hotter injectors and we should be good to go !


But there is no reason to worry about the 6.0...... Ford isn't keeping them around long enough for us to worry about themhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I really found it offensive that they think the Duramax can't tow. How fast do you WANT to go? With a simple tow-tune, I never had slow down to the speed limit no matter what the grade was. I imagine with serious tunes you could tear the hitch off.

Bah! There is no replacement for displacement. When the dust settles, the 6.6 Duramax will stomp the 5.9 and 6.0 engines in the dirt.


So If your little saying here is true then the 7.3 powerstroke should walk all over the D-max right?

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifWell I owned a dodge... a bombed 03, and now a 04.5 duramax, stock to stock comparision...no comparision. A duramax will smoke the competion...a twin turbo cummins vs a duramax at the strip...13.9 to low 12's high 11's on a stock turbo and injectors...nuff said!

<DIV>I can run down the interstate up hills, down hills, through the North GA mountains and on straight-aways pulling my wife's '03 Tahoe on my 16' dovetail and run 75-85 mph like it ain't nothing. And still get 15-16 mile to the gallon. If my truck can't tow, I'd like to see one that can. I don't even run any type of box either. Just intake and exhaust.</DIV>
<DIV>I have two friends, one with an 04 Cummins and one with 01 PSD. we got together one day and hooked them up one by one just for bragging rights. I came away talking all the sh*t. Enough said!!</DIV>
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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifWell I owned a dodge... a bombed 03, and now a 04.5 duramax, stock to stock comparision...no comparision. A duramax will smoke the competion...a twin turbo cummins vs a duramax at the strip...13.9 to low 12's high 11's on a stock turbo and injectors...nuff said!

I'm personally not into big hp pulling or racing although if I had the money I'm sure I would.

But after going to Thunder in Muncie in early June and seeing close to 300 trucks pull sleds and a bunch the next day drag racing.... cost of mods wasn't the biggest factor. The overall truck and how it performed as a whole was. As an observer there and spending lots of time talking and looking at peoples trucks I got no impression at all that The Dmax was going taking any trophies home enmass. As a matter of fact I don't think any GMs won anything.

The point of that referred link was a topic about how the Dmax is easy to bomb... and cheap. That's true. But where does that put the Dmax? For some reason... nowhere. It's good for regular guys like us that want to play and can't afford nor have the knowledge to do the more complicated modifications. That's what's rampant around here... parts changers that don't really know the technical implications of what they are doing. Some of the more enlightened fellows are playing around with fuel pressure to get a little more out of thier Dmax but they don't know for sure if that's the answer... they have run out of "parts changing" options. Their comes a point when you can only get so much air and fuel through a given space... that's where the drugs come in. Since we are talking about engines that are relatively similar in size, you would expect similar limitations. The Cummins is 3/4 of a liter smaller than the Dmax and only six cylinders. I would expect the Dmax to beat the snot out of it. But in the hp world that just isn't the case.

The transmission mod companies are having a field day with irresponsible bombers. More and more posts are showing up referencing trans mods. It's expected with all the cheap hp. But some people think you can just plug a few things in and be done with it. We are all learning otherwise.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifWell I owned a dodge... a bombed 03, and now a 04.5 duramax, stock to stock comparision...no comparision. A duramax will smoke the competion...a twin turbo cummins vs a duramax at the strip...13.9 to low 12's high 11's on a stock turbo and injectors...nuff said!

I'm personally not into big hp pulling or racing although if I had the money I'm sure I would.

But after going to Thunder in Muncie in early June and seeing close to 300 trucks pull sleds and a bunch the next day drag racing.... cost of mods wasn't the biggest factor. The overall truck and how it performed as a whole was. As an observer there and spending lots of time talking and looking at peoples trucks I got no impression at all that The Dmax was going taking any trophies home enmass. As a matter of fact I don't think any GMs won anything.

The point of that referred link was a topic about how the Dmax is easy to bomb... and cheap. That's true. But where does that put the Dmax? For some reason... nowhere. It's good for regular guys like us that want to play and can't afford nor have the knowledge to do the more complicated modifications. That's what's rampant around here... parts changers that don't really know the technical implications of what they are doing. Some of the more enlightened fellows are playing around with fuel pressure to get a little more out of thier Dmax but they don't know for sure if that's the answer... they have run out of "parts changing" options. Their comes a point when you can only get so much air and fuel through a given space... that's where the drugs come in. Since we are talking about engines that are relatively similar in size, you would expect similar limitations. The Cummins is 3/4 of a liter smaller than the Dmax and only six cylinders. I would expect the Dmax to beat the snot out of it. But in the hp world that just isn't the case.

The transmission mod companies are having a field day with irresponsible bombers. More and more posts are showing up referencing trans mods. It's expected with all the cheap hp. But some people think you can just plug a few things in and be done with it. We are all learning otherwise.




One thing you must not forget, how long has the cummins been available in a dodge??? and how long have they been "throwing parts at it" before the last 3-4 years??? Now everyone and there mother knows what works and what it takes to get to a certain hp.


I respect the cummins and its high hp potential, but i would like to see back 3 years after dodge released it where it was at compared to the dmax. The dmax has come a long way in a short period.


I hope and don't see why the dmax won't be a contender at an event like Muncie in years to come. As far as the dmax not winning anything, i'd say it stood its ground and did pretty well. The sled pulls were only 10ft apart from 1st to 11th(tomac) if i remember, and at the 1/4, in eliminations, the 3 dodges that got top 3 spots, were set up to race and that's pretty much there only purpose in life. Not like the 3 dmaxs that made up the rest, where its a daily driving, wether its towing, plowing, or hauling whatever. As far as i seen there was no cummins that ran in the 12's or better that is a dialy driver at Muncie. Noone that i know of or have heard has set up a dmax strictly for racing or sled pulling, if they did maybe it would be a fair shake.


The dodge fellows(not all) seem to bash the dmax quite a bit, and i hear it all the time at pulls. They keep on harping about aluminum heads, v-8, soft suspension, and whatever else they need to think that they have the inferior truck. I would have liked to talk to them after my last pull and see what they thought of the dmax. <IMG onMouseOver="this.style.curso

What happened to the big boys Dmaxes? The guys with all the bucks? ATS truck? Shoot Tomac even laid into them and his truck isn't outrageous.

For sled pulling I think they need to unbolt the IFS and put in a straight axle. Too many rubber bushings. 10 ft only? But consistantly they came to an abrupt stop. Again i think the truck as a whole is what gives Dodge the advantage in pulling. They were by far the most stable rigs. The Dmaxes often were squirrly abd hard to keep going straight. It's not just the motor.

674 "peak" horsepower and no trophies?Edited by: hoot

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That's a oldie topic from the TDR ....





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That's a oldie topic from the TDR ....





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Ya i had nothing else to do one evening so i went digging thru the archives a bithttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif i guess i should have included the dates in my post. All in good fun though Eh?

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http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifWell I owned a dodge... a bombed 03, and now a 04.5 duramax, stock to stock comparision...no comparision. A duramax will smoke the competion...a twin turbo cummins vs a duramax at the strip...13.9 to low 12's high 11's on a stock turbo and injectors...nuff said!

I'm personally not into big hp pulling or racing although if I had the money I'm sure I would.

But after going to Thunder in Muncie in early June and seeing close to 300 trucks pull sleds and a bunch the next day drag racing.... cost of mods wasn't the biggest factor. The overall truck and how it performed as a whole was. As an observer there and spending lots of time talking and looking at peoples trucks I got no impression at all that The Dmax was going taking any trophies home enmass. As a matter of fact I don't think any GMs won anything.

The point of that referred link was a topic about how the Dmax is easy to bomb... and cheap. That's true. But where does that put the Dmax? For some reason... nowhere. It's good for regular guys like us that want to play and can't afford nor have the knowledge to do the more complicated modifications. That's what's rampant around here... parts changers that don't really know the technical implications of what they are doing. Some of the more enlightened fellows are playing around with fuel pressure to get a little more out of thier Dmax but they don't know for sure if that's the answer... they have run out of "parts changing" options. Their comes a point when you can only get so much air and fuel through a given space... that's where the drugs come in. Since we are talking about engines that are relatively similar in size, you would expect similar limitations. The Cummins is 3/4 of a liter smaller than the Dmax and only six cylinders. I would expect the Dmax to beat the snot out of it. But in the hp world that just isn't the case.

The transmission mod companies are having a field day with irresponsible bombers. More and more posts are showing up referencing trans mods. It's expected with all the cheap hp. But some people think you can just plug a few things in and be done with it. We are all learning otherwise.




To an extent, the dust has settled. Give $X to a Ford, Cummins, and a Duramax owner, and the Duramax wins in the HP dept. Like you said, very few owners want to do what it takes to run huge HP, no matter what the brand. Hence you will probably see a higher percentage of Duramax trucks at the 350-375 rwhp levels than the other brands. Heck, it takes 1hr or less to achieve that.


The Cummins and 6.0 Ford are going to suffer what I call the Z06 Effect. Since their state of "tune" is higher from the factory, modifications show lesser gains. It's apparent that the Duramax is highly detuned from from the factory.


Transmissions? Name any current production auto trans that is indescructible when you double the torque to them and drag race them. I'm drawing a blank.


You have a point with the flimsy tierods. GM needs to rethink that one.


I'm sure one day someone with too much money will put a Dmax in a S10 or Colorado (AKA Sidewinder?) put a Powerglide behind it and dial it up. Great for show, but even the Dmax hotrodders are using their trucks for daily drivers and tow vehicles at this point. Once you turn them into pure race trucks, the diesel loses it's advantage. You can buy 2500HP blown alcohol V8's off-the-shelf. 6000 on Nitro. There is a long list of 10,9,8 second trucks out there in the spark ignition world, and it makes a diesel dragtruck mearly a

No matter what brand of truck you drive if you increase the power output from 50 to 150% from stock you are going to have to also build up the drive train. And if you do not believe this you are fooling yourself. I'm sure the guys racing and pulling their trucks know this and have accepted this fact. I am sure they also know they will not see 200K to 300K with no repairs but I doubt the daily driver will either. No truck is perfect but at least you don't have to put that brown bag over your head like Dodge drivers do so no one knows who you are when you drive a GM product.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Bah! There is no replacement for displacement. When the dust settles, the 6.6 Duramax will stomp the 5.9 and 6.0 engines in the dirt.


So If your little saying here is true then the 7.3 powerstroke should walk all over the D-max right?





If I understand it right, the 7.3 is limited by injector design. In theory at least, if you wanted to build an "ultimate diesel race motor", it would put out more HP than the other light truck engines.

What happened to the big boys Dmaxes? The guys with all the bucks? ATS truck? Shoot Tomac even laid into them and his truck isn't outrageous.

For sled pulling I think they need to unbolt the IFS and put in a straight axle. Too many rubber bushings. 10 ft only? But consistantly they came to an abrupt stop. Again i think the truck as a whole is what gives Dodge the advantage in pulling. They were by far the most stable rigs. The Dmaxes often were squirrly abd hard to keep going straight. It's not just the motor.

674 "peak" horsepower and no trophies?


I can't speak for the "big guys" but i would assume they are into making turbos and trannies and don't spend alot of time setting there truck up for pulling or racing. I would have liked to seen Clints(ats) motor in Tomacs truck which is setup for pulling, and i guarantee he would have been top 5. Wait and see the remainder of the year once that ats turbo is released, and see what happens at Shieds when we have a turbo to catch up to the cummins. Then its a fair playing field.


There is alot more to sled pulling than just hp for sure. I proved that last weekend whooping the cummins boys, with running only 400hp, quite a bit lower than i'm used to or what they are running. I can only wait till i get my "issues worked out" and that bigger turbo on, and watch there expressions http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Gonna be priceless http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


If the front end is set up with either beefy center link and sleeves or is strapped, there is no advantage to the sfa in my eyes. Clints front end is not set up for pulling, and could use an improvment and he would be better off.


674, i was there and i know what i and others seen, with follow up runs close to that with different programming, like i said there is alot more to winning than hp. I don't spend alot of time or money on setting up my truck, but i think it runs pretty damn good for what it is. I know where it sat in ranks at the track with a streetable truck and not trailered in, do you???? If they had a division for street driven trucks, how many dmaxs would have been in the top 5???? Lets see, Tomac ran a 12.1, i ran a 12.5, Clint ran a 12.6or8, i didn't pay attention that much, but when i was i didn't see a street drivin dodge run 12's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif , might have missed it, but where was he when the eliminations took place http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifYes, thats what the track is all about, balls out winner take all, correct, but i would like to see a level playing field and see the outcome, i don't think it would be so lopesided <IMG onMouseOver="this.style.cursor='hand'" onMouseOut="this.style.cursor=''" alt='Click on image to open in new window' onClick="window.open('smileys/Big Smile.gif', 'Image', 'toolbar=0,location=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbar s=1,resizable=1');" id='chkImg1' name='chkImg2' SRC="smileys/Big Smile.gi

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I'm sure one day someone with too much money will put a Dmax in a S10 or Colorado (AKA Sidewinder?) put a Powerglide behind it and dial it up.





From what i've heard, that is allready in the makings, don't know if its true or not, but i don't dicredit the source as its highly reputable http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Hoot....you haven't been around sled pulling enough to know squat.I went to thunder in muncie and I saw....... Thats all youv'e been saying since you got back. Hook your truck up to a sled. In a true street class a duramax can run at the top. In the street class at the strip the Duramax is on top...end of story. The quote un qoute street class in muncie is a joke with some of the big UNSTREETABLE turbos that they allow. Hoot.......youv'e been around here so long I wouldn't think you would make such bs statements but I guess I am wrong. I hope Kyle or Tomac get to read this thread! I like to hear what they have to say. Hey Hoot.......I bet Tomac would love to race you and your dodge....Hell Mcrat would make you look like you where standed still with a couple of tow tuneshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

My truck is stock.. just big exhaust and open intake.. nice tires. I don't beat my truck to death. I can't really afford to. The playing field at Muncie was perfectly level. If anyone wanted to use similar setups the Dodges were using they could have. Whos fault is that?

I'll run any stock GM truck. Have I been bragging that my truck is faster than anyones? That my truck outpulls anyones? dpower... you don't have a whole lot to say and when you do it's still nothing. I agree at the drags the Dmaxes were VERY impressive. The new Dodges were slow in comparison. That's what i meant about cheap and quick mods goes to the Dmax. The new common rail Cummins is now behind the ball because of the new technology. Dmax has one big advantage and it's not that it's tuned low. That's BS. They are detuning them in med duty trucks and if they go much higher than the 310hp they are putting out now, engine and drivetrain durability becomes a factor. That's why they detune them in the med duties, durability. I think the advantage Dmax has is it's ability to dissipate heat faster with the aluminum heads. Secondly, the Allison does a fantastic job... when about $5000 is poured into it, of getting the truck down the track.

Maybe it's time for the GM following to hold a big event and have the underdog Dodges and Fords get put in their place. I'll watch that too. And when it's over I might comment on it, if YOU don't mind http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif

BTW I hope nobody wastes their time putting a motor in a Colorado. That truck is one little POS. And that's from my GM brand loyal side.Edited by: hoot

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LOL... it was a good time Mac!


Considering i hang with mostly Dodge guys they are a pretty good group for putting up with me...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


And then there is Hoot!


J/K Hootie!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

The playing field at Muncie was perfectly level. If anyone wanted to use similar setups the Dodges were using they could have. Whos fault is that?

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Perfectly level http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif there was no aftermarket turbo available to us dmax owners. Lets take the top 10 cummins and put that stock turbo back on and see what the outcome would have been, or let us run nos when pulling. It wouldn't have been pretty thats for sure. Now i'm not complaining about any of that, as thats what its all about competition, you've got to take your loses and learn and try again, and hopefully you're headed in the right direction.


What gets me is when people start to say what happened to the dmax at Muncie, it wasn't in contention. I say it was, for what mods are available for our trucks they did pretty damn good. Thats where the level playing field comes in, to take the cummins boys back to reality as they have full availability to different turbos.


Like i said before, Shieds will be a level playing field with a dmax turbo available to us, so that will be a true comparison.


Hoot, i wouldn't put any money on the line if your gonna go up against a stock 6.6 or 6.0, you might not like the outcome http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I've seen it before. The 6.0 is impressing me actually of late, and thats a hard one for me to say http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

The hypocrite hoot http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifsaid this "For sled pulling I think they need to unbolt the IFS and put in a straight axle. Too many rubber bushings. 10 ft only? But consistantly they came to an abrupt stop."


No kidding, and if I remember correctly, they all did the same stopping abruptly, it didn't matter the brand.


I hear and read all the time about the IFS being so bad. But I have never seen or read about one breaking in a truck pull. But I have seen Dodge and Ford break differentials, front and back. As for the cheap little tie rod ends, that has been fixed much easier then some other problems on Dodge. And some owners of the other brand make comments about the little tie rod ends compared to the ones on Ford and Dodge. I do agree with them being much to small, but one reason they are so big on the other two truck brands is because theirs go all the way across the front end, so they have to be much larger to be just as strong.


As close as the top 12-15 trucks at Thunder in Muncie were, the winner could have been anyone of them with something as little as air pressure adjustments, or a better tire choice. It had little if anything to do with horsepower or torque, and IFS.


I seem to remember a Chevy Duramax 4x4 in the modified class that took 2nd or 3rd and he had a 6 inch lift and no tie rod fix at all, and the truck pulled as well as any truck other then the couple trucks that beat it. and there were dozens of trucks there that pulled over the course of the day.


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...the Allison does a fantastic job... when about $5000 is poured into it, of getting the truck down the track.

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Dunno... at about 375rwhp (calculated) running 7500lb, my stock Allison didn't complain about 1.98 60' times, and embarrassed some sports cars off the line. Any heavy Dodges running a bone stock trans to sub 2.0 60' times?


Yes, I will beef up the tierods and find the limits of the stock trans, but I'm not sure the Allison is as weak at "moderate" power levels as some believe.

The hypocrite hoot http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifsaid this "For sled pulling I think they need to unbolt the IFS and put in a straight axle. Too many rubber bushings. 10 ft only? But consistantly they came to an abrupt stop."


I stand by that comment 100% Hypocrosy or not.

Heartbeat.... GM always has the chit when it comes to gassers, don't they? Everybody likes to run GM gassers because of aftermarket availability. I agree there simply isn't the availability of higher hp stuff for the Dmax as there is for the Cummins. Hopefully that will change. I like to see the tech stuff coming out and the rich guys buying it and showing what can be done. There are already twin turbo systems available for the common rail Cummins. Dmax has a little problem with real estate. Don't push me into a bashing mode cause I'm not doing it. I think the Dmax has a lot of potential over what it's doing now too. If I said otherwise I think later I would be eatin crow.

I still feel the front end under duress is a loser. Like it or not.. read it and swallow it.

BTW... this is a great thread!Edited by: hoot

Hoot....let me ask you this...If I know nothing I still know more than you about truck pulling, why you ask because I have hooked to a sled. My comments towards you are in response to your gm this gm that and my dodge this and my dodge that...this is largely a gm site...basically you sit here and plug dodge and that is fine...you expect the gm guys to sit around here and agree?! Oh by the way...the playing field isn't level in the truck pulling world, the product development isn't there yet for the maxes..you should have at least picked up on that by now. Lets see what the future holds hoot.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif5000 big ones to get the allision down the track..it gets deeper in here as we go. You just like the sports caster who sits and analyzes and criticizes without every taking a snap, at bat etc....

You Got it right dpower he's talking Sh** about the allison in a medium duty wake the he** up dodge has NEVER had a TRANSMISSION and that is a FACT so he better step off on that one. I'm not trying to get in a pi**ing contest but he can take his DODGE to the TDR and stay If all I care I get sick and tired of people like him just a want to be because everybody else has one. THis IFS Sh*t is getting old to If you don't like it fine That is his opinion for what that is worth. There is nothing wrong with it I don't buy my trucks to pull a 40000# sled to work or to the field to farm I pull in miles not feet. My uncle pulls and the biggest CHECKBOOK wins period.TURBO6600

Hoot,


A serious real life question here. Have you ever taken your truck off road and climbed a moderatly steep slippery hill? Such as a BLM,National Forest,State Park or other trail? I am talking about a regular trail with a name or number. One that might be used for fishing,hunting,bird watching, hiking, boating, ect. ect.


Untill you witness the three trucks in action, no lift kits, real world you should probally tone it down a bit. I am not talking about a sled pull or a drag race I am talking about real world.


I can tell you right know that the radius arms or whatever Dodge calls them are really short. It does not take much slippage and travel to get the front end of a Dodges pantys in a wad.


I admit that the GM IFS points inwards and looks goofy as soon as it starts to slip but it just digs in and keeps a climbing. That is if it ever starts to slip in the first place.

In defense of the 7.3...yeah I know I know, defending a ferd...anyway, just for the record there has been and still are some pretty stought 7.3's lurkin around. They are limited by injector design from what I understand. Frank Puscarich, the guy with the 466 monster still has a 7.3 truck that can hang with most and it was built several years back so it is probably behind now in technology. The reason you don't see frank at muncie is because the rules have excluded his 466 so my guess is he boycoted and decided not to bring the 7.3.

One of my very good friends just purchased a used 2000 Ford 350 4x4 long bed 4 door. 97000 miles. It is red and it is big. Big red!


He is into used vehicles, no biggy. We drove it 200 miles to a sporting clays event. After we got back to my house we calculated milage. 20 MPG. Better than my Dmax. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


The truck was very roomy, never hunted for gears or torque ( even with only 4 gears) and did not ride one bit bumpier or smoother than my Dmax.


I was impressed. I have ridden in may other trucks and have friends with all brands/makes. To try and put one brand or make of truck out in front as the supreme truck is a suckers game. All trucks have there srtengths and weakness's. It all boils down to personal preference.


Untill toyota sells a full size diesel, there will never be a front runner. And when they do, it will probally sell for 10-20 thousand dollars more than it's competitiors. Much like there vehicles know. Obviously at a higher price it would no t be the front runner either.


Buy what you prefer and enjoy it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Bronco

I too liked the way the 7.3 PSD ran but I hated the steering. I was constantly working the wheel to keep it on the road.

opps, wrong thread.Edited by: McRat

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I dont think i would bash the allison hoot.

Its been hinted at and I know it’s a shoulda woulda coulda and very “arm chair quarter back” but how would the duramaxes done if they were allowed extra air? I know thus far about the only way we are getting the air is via the bottle and since this wasn’t allowed during the pulls……any thoughts how things woulda been different? Just curious?

One of my very good friends just purchased a used 2000 Ford 350 4x4 long bed 4 door. 97000 miles. It is red and it is big. Big red!


He is into used vehicles, no biggy. We drove it 200 miles to a sporting clays event. After we got back to my house we calculated milage. 20 MPG. Better than my Dmax. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


The truck was very roomy, never hunted for gears or torque ( even with only 4 gears) and did not ride one bit bumpier or smoother than my Dmax.


I was impressed. I have ridden in may other trucks and have friends with all brands/makes. To try and put one brand or make of truck out in front as the supreme truck is a suckers game. All trucks have there srtengths and weakness's. It all boils down to personal preference.


Untill toyota sells a full size diesel, there will never be a front runner. And when they do, it will probally sell for 10-20 thousand dollars more than it's competitiors. Much like there vehicles know. Obviously at a higher price it would no t be the front runner either.


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Wow! My brother's 2002 F-250 4x4 CC SB with 40,000 miles doesn't get anything near that.

Its been hinted at and I know it’s a shoulda woulda coulda and very “arm chair quarter back” but how would the duramaxes done if they were allowed extra air? I know thus far about the only way we are getting the air is via the bottle and since this wasn’t allowed during the pulls……any thoughts how things woulda been different? Just curious?





I'll let you know how much better my truck pulls in a couple of weeks http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Always thought the same thing, but didn't want to get caught with the nos flowing, then they would have thought i cheated all last year. Now they can only cry when they see the truth http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Well from what I have personally witnessed, and I don't know whos truck it was but a duramax pushin the nitrous put 6ft on chad davis last year at a pull in ohio. Chads truck is a eep dodge with twins and lots of fuel yadda yadda yadda. Chad was the most consistent 8000lb modified truck there was last year, a very very strong competitor. So, when the air becomes available via turbo(s) things will be very interesting.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Bring it on BABY as long as it's not HOT AIR http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

damn hoot just like ol times........stir it uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Hoot...when you gonna hook to a sled? I am waiting..since I am full of hot air and don't know nuttin. I wanna see ya hook that dodge my friend.....come on now. Were waiting on ya...... show us how its done.

Another thing hoot, noticed how I complimented the dodge and its acomplisments. Got anymore cheap shots? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gifEdited by: dpower

Hoot...when you gonna hook to a sled? I am waiting..since I am full of hot air and don't know nuttin. I wanna see ya hook that dodge my friend.....come on now. Were waiting on ya...... show us how its done.

I didn't mean you personally are full of hot air but until these things show up it's vaporware. What's taking them so long? It's a pain in the butt to get a bigger turbo and the mounting setup to work. And it won't be cheap. That's why changing a turbo on a Cummins really is no biggy. Can be done in a hour and only costs are predictable right now.

Sled? Not me. No money. I'm just a backseat driver.

Just saw your second post... i don't think their is anybody on this forum that I don't respect if that matters. I just talk alot.Edited by: hoot

Just sounded like it was personal....sorry to jump all over ya. The turbo set-ups these guys are running in the dodges are far from cheap...trust me on that. I am talking about the ones at the top of the pile. In fact...one very well known dodge sled puller has been rumored to have re-financed his house to pay for his truck pulling bills....not gonna mention names of course. I am not out here bashin the dodges...remember I have owned, driven and pulled them...and will continue to do so in the future as time and money permits. Let it be known, Dodges are still king in the pulling world..nobody is gonna argue that...I think?