If all the pieces fall into place I should be getting my suncoast level 3 installed the weekend of the 17-18. I was planning on waiting for my fun money funds to replentish themselves but then I figured I might as well train he right to begin with. So its big power time . Any thoughts/opinions/experiences are welcome. Heres the scoop on my truck and what I plan for it…..

03 2500HD reg cab, stock intake with a cheesed box 265's for tires. JK 4”-5” Exhaust with no muffler, I currently have a 125hp juice/attitude that I plan on selling since I don’t think I would gain much stacking it. I will need gauges now though. Its my daily driver/plow vehical. I do have SD’s sleves. I plan on doing a truck pull or 2 for grins and take her to the strip a few times. I am thinking maybe injectors down the road. I am pretty much 100% sold on using some spray for extra air(pretty much ruled out a different turbo unless I blow up this one and gotta foot the bill) Extra air will wait till I get my fun money back up there and injectors may be a bit though. I have no lift pump and wont run one until I stick a big program on it and see what happens(I’m curious)

I’m pretty sold on the Big VA box but want to make sure. The VA box needs something to fool the computer in terms of an over boost code dosnt it? What are my options there and how much are they? The VA dosnt screw with PSi so how well does it play with the duramaximizer? Anything else out there that I should look at? Maybe in terms of stacks? Don’t care what it dynos, just want ET and drivability to be decent and it to work ok pulling and play well with spray and possibly injectors. If it can blow up a SC level 3(I doubt it but who knows) then I'll do something with it.

Any help or ideas would be appreciated. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I never have had the VA set an overboost code on my truck so I don't know that anything is necessary there. You still need to defeat the rev and MPH limiter for the best possible strip times/speed.


You need a tuner or PCM for that so you may want to keep the Juice to try a few stacks.

The Quad 215 has been the only one that I've known of with intermittent boost code issues.

i'd get a TTS extreme. that way it will up your speed/rev limiter, plus give you the 3 position, 80/120/extreme all in one program. that way if you want to stack you can run the 120 with an edge box for example. so far of everything i've dyno'd on my truck the extreme has put down the most HP and by far the most torque. whatever you do have fun!

Forgot about the rev/speed limiterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif So would a cheapy tuner set to 0 taking care of that maybe be the best route along with the VA? Or I could buy the quad and take care of it all in one shot. Maybe get an older quad since it seems to play nicer with the juice than the new version? Would stacking get the best power? I could get my juice rezapped to something a bit warmer. I guess I dont care if its majic or what if it works but in an all out box I just cant see how you could get a stack to make more power than a single box if it was truely cranked all out. I can see adding pressure on top of pulse(getting a maximizer) JMO but all the power should be able to be accomplished with one box. Wonder if there is any way to get the VA to crank up the PSI a bit too?


Whats the quad do in the way of defueling?


John, could I get a VA box with the 200+hp 0hp and a "tow" tune or something in the range of 30-60hp instead of the 0 150 200+?


Is the increase in rev limited needed just for top speed or does it affect power? Does a raised rev limited raise shift points or is there anything to be gained there?

Hows it run compared to the VA? Not many #'s that I've seen outa the extream. Whats it ET and what did the same truck ET with different programs or the like?

A TTS Race Edge stack will take care of all your problems .....


The Extreme out performed "any" single "player" on my truck,flawlessly ....I ran the big 230 VA and IMO it will pull up top ,I can't imagine the KD?VA being that much more if any stronger ....


Plenty of fuel for the bottle too ...


Getting the three level PCM is the bomb,IMO ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


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And just when I had my card warmed up and ready to go you guys start changing my mindhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif If I kept my juice I wouldnt have to get guages I suppose. No worry about hitting the wall at 98mph. Any up in power to go with a hotter version of the juice on this? I dont think so but?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Maximizer on top of these dudes woth anything? The extream didnt stack as well with the juice as the race?


And just when I thought I had everything figured out......


Are there any programs out on the horizon that i should maybe wait for?

I have the TTS 80/120/Extreme and I just love it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


All three levels are very smooth, but the TTS 120 is just perfect for all around driving .....Low EGT's, light smoke and 125mph speed limiter


For absolute power click to the Extreme & have your way with a Porche http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Good luck

I thought that the Attitude read a max of 28 psi or something like that. If thats the case, your gonna need a 0-50 psi full span gauge anyway aren't you? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

26 IIRC


Well I might get flamed for this but without monkeing with the wastegate I dont see how I could get my boost to dangerous levels. I could care less about my boost except for one thing and thats launch PSI and beings I dont plan on launching over 26 psi the attitude will work.


Yes it would be nice to know exactly what its running just for grins but for 300$ or so for a guage package I will be fine not knowing what my peak # is. Besideds.....big old knarly gauge pod screams I'm BOMBed, it will be well conceled that I'm running the squeeze. They wont know what hit em http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Any one think my thinking is wrong?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif


Signed http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Ditto on all the Extreme votes. This guy has his $hit together, and will help you with any questions and ideas you might have for making big power.
If your gonna go big get some guages over 30psi and 1600 egt
Scott

Why do I want bigger gauges? As long as I can see and keep my egt's under 1200-1300 on a prolonged run who cares? You guys arnt looking at egt's down the 1/4 anyway are you other than saying, yup, gee its peged. And what does max boost mean if your not playing with the wastegate or otherwise messing with the turbo worring about max psi?


any one know how much timing the juice adds on level 0? And how it works with the extream set to kill?


Mackin What hp levels did you stack to get your #'s?

Gauges when your towing.....Part throttle low boost loaded conditions create a lot of heat in a hurry.Peace of mind is cool too.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Blake

Why do I want bigger gauges? As long as I can see and keep my egt's under 1200-1300 on a prolonged run who cares? You guys arnt looking at egt's down the 1/4 anyway are you other than saying, yup, gee its peged. And what does max boost mean if your not playing with the wastegate or otherwise messing with the turbo worring about max psi?








Your right about the 1/4 mile and not really looking. I would think a full span gauge would make it easier to do trouble shooting or fine tuning your stack. Like how much boost at a given rpm for a given setup. Stuff like that.

Forgot about the rev/speed limiterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif So would a cheapy tuner set to 0 taking care of that maybe be the best route along with the VA? Or I could buy the quad and take care of it all in one shot. Maybe get an older quad since it seems to play nicer with the juice than the new version? Would stacking get the best power? I could get my juice rezapped to something a bit warmer. I guess I dont care if its majic or what if it works but in an all out box I just cant see how you could get a stack to make more power than a single box if it was truely cranked all out. I can see adding pressure on top of pulse(getting a maximizer) JMO but all the power should be able to be accomplished with one box. Wonder if there is any way to get the VA to crank up the PSI a bit too?


Whats the quad do in the way of defueling?


John, could I get a VA box with the 200+hp 0hp and a "tow" tune or something in the range of 30-60hp instead of the 0 150 200+?


Is the increase in rev limited needed just for top speed or does it affect power? Does a raised rev limited raise shift points or is there anything to be gained there?








I use a Predator or Quad tuner to clip the speed. We could do a lesser yet tune on the 200+ if need be. It The second tune right now does 150HP.





Shift points will remain the same until someone cracks the Allison TCM. They are based on OSS. About the only guy I expect to crack the TCM is Mr Cole, but I kinda doubt the demand/need will justify the time and resources required.





Philip, your best bang for the buck is upgrading to the Hot Attitude program. If you want to add some psi, then go for it. From what I've seen, 450-470-ish RWHP is about the point of diminishing return based on the stock turbocharger. It seems to take a lot more fuel to gain HP in these upper levels. Seems that no matter what you stack, there's only about 500RWHP available on #2 alone. The future may change this, but at this point this is where we are.





One key thing to also consider with your mods is: "Can I take it with me or sell it?" in the event of a trade or accident...





PS, the KD VA 200+ is leaps and bounds stronger than the VA 230. The 230HP claim is highly overstated IMHO. We can run them back to back in September if anyone is interested.

NWDmax I still have gauges in the attitude.


EMSi I suppose your right about it being nice to be able to campare #'s


TTS vrs. VA---Any opinions on people that have ran both of em? Dyno #'s track times even SOP? The newest VA that is. TTS having the speed/rev limiter issue taken care of is a big selling point. Any votes for something else? TTS is up 3 zip


My CC is getting hot guys, help me decide before it burns a hole through my pockethttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

The juice upgrade defiantly would be the best bang for the buck. But it will also fall short compared to the others in the way of power and ET I believe. Need more umph than the really hot OJ me thinks.


For the price difference between the VA and the TTS I could get ahold of a cheapy tuner to zap my limiter so I think cost between the 2 is about the same. Even the quad is in there becuase it would do it all at once in terms of cost.


So I guess it comes down to what runns the best in terms of driveability and what lays down the best #'s. I've gota a dyno local to me, I would buy em all and let the best program win if I would get my $ back on the loser.


Air is a problem and limiting factor for my truck now I know but it wont be http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


Bottom line though I guess is all the programs are good and even if i get a "weaker" one she is still going to riphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


John, you know I'm going to beg and plead to to stick my truck on the rollers sept. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: ratlover

It appears your wanting something right away so you should check with TTS as they usually require 4 to 6 weeks to get it to you. I'm sure the VA would be ready today.

Bastidhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif Wreches going into every cog imaginablehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


I'd wait for a couple weeks if it is the best unit. I would prefer to train my trany from the start on the high HP program but it dosnt have to be done.

If you need the BIG power, go with the Extreme. You can add a NORMAL shot of propane to it and dump in some N2O for some huge gains.

With big power your egt's are gonna be over 1300 it will flash 1600 and maybe more. For my money I wanna know what the #'s are. Imho you won't make real big power at 26psi. I have pushed the limit and paid for it and so have a couple others around here. #36 psi can be trouble but with out a gauge how will you know. Duramaximiser stacks well with the extreme on the two low levels. I actually went down on my numbers on an all out stack, below 500 and above on one program. My turbo mods. may have helped me. Every truck is different though. Call Mr. Cole and see what his turnaround time is now. Worth the wait imho.
Scott

I believe the edge will read that high on EGT's.


Without screwing with the turbo will you get to dangerous levels? I'm not going to touch the turbo so is knowing what my peak boost is really needed other than knowing what it is? If the TTS tune or any other gets to dangerous levels by themselves then people would be grenading turbos left and right right correct? I mean people aint looking at thier boost guage and backing out.


I'm really not arguing here. I would like to hear the reason if I need em or if its a good idea. I would like to avoid gauges for a couple reasons, dont want to spend the $ if its not needed and I think gauges just scream I'm BOMBed. I prefer stealth.


I figured if I was getting gauges no biggy I could sell my juice and it would be a wash $ wise but now i hear the TTS is a 80hp 120hp and extremehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif. I would like to keep my juice for the winter and a bit of "valete" action so i could turn it down to a "tow" tune. Nothing can be easyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif Maybe mother edge needs to get on the stick and turn up the wick on thier baddest tune. I like my juice I just need more of it and 180hp aint going to cut it I'm affraidhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Broken Heart.gif

You should be fine but I have seen my boost go over thirty on some stacks, without fooling with my gate. That's just my truck. I am not trying to sell you anything, just my peace of mine. My dealer knows what all I have, so I can't hide anyways plus they have seen my dyno runs and will bring the techII when needed.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif
Scott

Now I though my dealer was cool when they were comenting on how good my tires looked and how nice my exhaust sounded. Dealer checking out your dyno runs, now thats too coolhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif


No hiding gauges for me, I gota EGT probe in there but hey gauges arnt anything bad right? When I talked to the dealer though about adding gauges(didnt tell him why http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif) he said all was good.

Dealers usually want the work. It is when you do something drastic like blow up a turbo that a red flag goes up and an inspector is asked to look at your truck is when it gets sticky. Houston has it's own inspector for gm warranty claims. I don't know how other cities are setup.
Scott