That's right... read it here... read it good cause that's what happens when you poke a little.... you get hammered!

Makes for entertainng reading, don't it?


'05 HP/Torque numbers are being keep TOP SECRET. WOrd is that it will be hard for Ford and Chevy to match.

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And it will be even harder for Dodge to keep an automatic behind it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Possibly a suncoast Level 3 in the near future.

And you? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Edited by: hoot

your point is?


How did you ever make it through 3 years of driving that POS chevy before your goat hoot?Edited by: Max Power

How did you ever make it through 3 years of driving that POS chevy before your goat hoot?





Hey, the more I drive this Cummins with a solid front axle, the more I'm liking my Dodge these days. I understand that a full sized back seat is slated for the 06 models, which I will be ready to buy one since my 04.5 will most likely need injectors (no wait, that's my duramax). I guess by 06 I'll have my tranny rebuilt (whoops, that's my Allison and it already needed rebuilting at 18K miles).


Maybe the wiper blades will be shot and require replacement..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: hasselbach

You dodge boys just wait... dodge's true colors will shine through.

You dodge boys just wait... dodge's true colors will shine through.


yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, the color of my red 1 ton is OUTSTANDING! It really shines... Thanks for reminding me.

I am happy you guys are happy.

It's going to take Dodge two more years to get a full back seat ??


Just imagine how long it's going to take to get a decent auto ...You know you to clowns are afraid to add one ounce of power to that mighty Cummins ...


With the stringent emissions regulations forth coming ,power upgrades will be lean at best ...


You two girls will just have to get use to your doors being blown in ...





mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: Mackin

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Hoot


people are touchy when others don't flock to the same herd they are in aren't they?? Reminds me of wearing straight legs jeans in the 70's when everyone else wore those gad awful bell bottems... man, the ribbing I got was unreal.


Actually I will be taking my duramax and cummins to the track this friday night, should be an interesting pair off. I better make sure however that my doors are locked in the dodge just in case my duramax blows them in..

Comparing a dodge to bell bottoms is a darn good comparison! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif hasselbach, it really has nothing to do with you driving a dodge, or anyone else driving a dodge for that matter. It has a lot more to do with HOOT driving a dodge. Not even so much that he is even driving a dodge but rather at how much he goes on and on about how much better dodge is then GM. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif Kind of like going to a hell's angel gathering with a Honda and preaching to them about Japanese engineering. Yeah, maybe the Honda is a better bike, but not one of them wants to hear it.


Not to mention that he used to be on this bandwagon and don't think we forgot what he used to say about those goats. Hypocrispy at its finest. I just hope for hoot's sake that he never has any serious problems with his dodge. He will never hear the end of it. Even worse if he ever decides to buy a duramax again.Edited by: Max Power

Comparing a dodge to bell bottoms is a darn good comparison! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif








That and big Yellow Fanny Packs !!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Uuch => http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: Mackin

'05 HP/Torque numbers are being keep TOP SECRET. WOrd is that it will be hard for Ford and Chevy to match.


Until Allison updates the tranny, I would not expect much increase on the DMAX. When I talked with Diesel Tech about the TTS Tow program he was working on for the LLY, he indicated that with the LLY GM had used up a portion of the design margin that had been built into tranny from the 2001-2003 LB7 days. They can probably stretch it a little more, but not much. I remember the LLY was rumored to be a big increase,,,, well the HP went up 10 hp.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Seems like Dodge made the big number increase in 2004.5 when they came out with the "600" Cummins. Kind of wondering if they will bump the numbers up much as 2005 is only 1/2 year later?


I guess anything is possible when the end result is dollars in company coffers!





AlanEdited by: OC_DMAX

Why do Mack and Max continually jump on anything posted in the Dodge Cummins forum with hostile comments?


Is this the reincarnation of the "War Room"?


Hoot. Thanks for the information update.

I have no idea.. Just the comment about my yellow fannie pack that my deceased grandmother gave me still hurts to the bone. I can only hope that someday I can get over it... sniff sniff...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Broken Heart.gif

hasselbach,


Your earlier wiper blade comment reminds me of my trucks. The ones on my new Dodge are fine after lots of hard use during the 46,000 miles I've run it. I had an '01 GMC that continually needed new replacement blades.


Strange how an 'off hand' comment can strike a familiar note.Edited by: captainmal

Max Power and Mac know darn well the Allison ain't nothing special in handling extra power. It's a well designed transmission for stock and mild power levels. Same with the 48RE. Just that the Ally is a five speed and is designed with some good shift control. Sadly they never really took care of the downshift issue. Who wants to run 3000 rpms up long grades?

Max you are wrong. Yes I'm plugging the Dodge but I'm not jumping up and down about it. You guys spend too much time watching my every move. Jealous? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif I got Mac keeping me under surveilance over on TDR.. making sure I'm not downing the Dmax... howm I doin Mac? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif
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I would say that having a Cummins area in a Chevy/GM site is begging for something. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Hoot





You remember who was there first ,Newbie ....http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/Evil%20Smile.gif





Hoot I'll pick up a Edge box for you in Sept ... We just run the near 90 "safe level" on the box,I'll drive .... You know like you drove for Two years with the PowerShot on your Allison tranny and it performed flawlessly ...


Fanny Pack and the Fishermen are quite gullable in this thread ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

hasselbach,


Your earlier wiper blade comment reminds me of my trucks. The ones on my new Dodge are fine after lots of hard use during the 46,000 miles I've run it. I had an '01 GMC that continually needed new replacement blades.


Strange how an 'off hand' comment can strike a familiar note.

A more important note..... the heater works on my Dodge no matter what the situation. Didn't work on the GMC when it was needed to defog my windshield on cool mornings. NO FRIGGIN HEAT! unless I set the knob on HELL. Must have been some issue with the auto climate control cause a few others confirmed my experience. Environmental controls in this Dodge beat the GMC hands down. Hey... got lighted vanity mirrors on both visors http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Probably some of the best towing mirrors available stock. Doors with real spring loaded detent hinges instead of theose cheesy GM whatever they are that grind when you close the doors.

Just razzing you guys... These aren't all showstoppers. The bottom line is a good rig that runs well and is dependable. I think I made a good choice. I'm not saying it's better but it sure has been nice so far.

The exhaust note is the best of all three... no question.

Yeah jealous, thats it. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Hoot you are ridiculously predictable. And yes you are jumping up and down about it, just like you did when you owned your Duramax. I'm not the only one who sees this.


I hope their is no hard feelings hoot, I don't hate you because you drive a dodge. I just like poking fun at you because of the way you represent.


captain Mal, you are wrong. I don't jump all over everything posted in the dodge forums with hostile comments. I just just jump all over hoot with hostile comments. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


hasslebach, I'll give you some credit. You must be EXTREMELY secure with your sexuality to wear a yellow fanny pack in 2004. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

No hard feelings. It's all in fun. In case you haven't noticed, you rarely see me touch the Dmax problem posts unless I can help. You rarely if ever see me downing the Dmax or Allison except for known issues on occasion.

That's not how I used to be with other brands when I owned the GMC.

I guess I can see why you guys bought a Dodge this time, Looks like you GM was a POS from the way you talk. Hope you have as good of luck with this truck as you did your last one. Yea, that goes for you too Hoot!

Max,


Then Hoot should be praised for doing well under fire.


Another tiny thing just came to mind. There are heaters in my mirrors. I turned them on a few times and they worked. Darn things melted ice and evaporated moisture for a clear view 'of my rear'?????


Keep sitting on the tailgate waiting for the cables to break. Then I'll feel right at home.

Max,


Then Hoot should be praised for doing well under fire.


Another tiny thing just came to mind. There are heaters in my mirrors. I turned them on a few times and they worked. Darn things melted ice and evaporated moisture for a clear view 'of my rear'?????


Keep sitting on the tailgate waiting for the cables to break. Then I'll feel right at home. You may not need to wait as long as you think. My brother had an 2001 1/2 ton and within 23,000 miles both were replaced due to them breaking. And Ford is no better there either. Until they go back to the steel straps like Victory Red re-invented there will be problems with cables breaking. The only thing the coated cables are good for is to reduce the noise. Big freaken deal!

capt.... look at where your cables anchor on the gate. The cables on the Dodge are about 5" longer than the GM cables and are anchored much farther out on the gate. I don't like cables either but it looks like there is a lot less leverage on the cables on our trucks than on the GM.

I had heated mirrors on my Dmax.

I like the way the mirror flip 90 deg but the power adjustment still works the same.

hasslebach, I'll give you some credit. You must be EXTREMELY secure with your sexuality to wear a yellow fanny pack in 2004. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif





Max Power


why yes as a matter of fact I am, and I especially enjoy your photo when you post. you are a very handsome man... oh lala..Edited by: hasselbach

Max,


Then Hoot should be praised for doing well under fire.


Another tiny thing just came to mind. There are heaters in my mirrors. I turned them on a few times and they worked. Darn things melted ice and evaporated moisture for a clear view 'of my rear'?????


Keep sitting on the tailgate waiting for the cables to break. Then I'll feel right at home.


Do you think your rubbing it in or something? I am very happy with my GMC. Couldn't be happier. I'm not whining about tailgate cables or mirrors. I am a little more mature then to whine and cry about such petty things.


I am glad you have a clear view in your mirror, the paper bag you have to wear over your head to drive a dodge restricts your vision too much as it is...........Not that mature. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

hasslebach, I'll give you some credit. You must be EXTREMELY secure with your sexuality to wear a yellow fanny pack in 2004. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif





Max Power


why yes as a matter of fact I am, and I especially enjoy your photo when you post. you are a very handsome man... oh lala..





LOL. The funny part is you probably do think that is my picture.

I guess I can see why you guys bought a Dodge this time, Looks like you GM was a POS from the way you talk. Hope you have as good of luck with this truck as you did your last one. Yea, that goes for you too Hoot!


hdmax.. My duramax is a great truck (I still own it as well as the dodge), I've never bashed it at all in a serious manner. I've got the best of both. They are both very different in many ways, and depending on what my needs are at the time, (towing, 4 wheeling, kids, etc) I chose whichever fills the bill...


As I've said before, I like the creature comforts of the chevy, and the duramax is a great motor, but after driving my 04.5, I am really liking the Cummins. I'd sum it up this way. I find my chevy compared to the dodge similar to my two stroke vs. my four stroke dirt bikes. Both run good, but I find the dodge to be more like a 2 stroke that I motocross on (ready to pounce) vs. the laid back thumper that I take to the desert and cruise on (I'm not hard to miss either, I'm the one with the yellow Acerbis fannie pack)

LOL. The funny part is you probably do think that is my picture.

If it is you need the bag

Seems the cables on my Ford truck (yes, I had one and it was a nightmare of engine problems-gas) broke also. My older GM trucks had those metal, hinged straps and they never broke. Also remember unhooking them one time and the tailgate fell and was damaged by the bumper. Then somehow I bent the straps. Pilot error all the way.


Got hurt out in Gallop, NM last year when the cables broke and I fell onto a trailer tongue. Better stop sitting on tailgates to drink a brew and smoke a cigar. It's bad for my health.

http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/cast/character/tony_soprano.shtml


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Where's Rick (VictoryRed) when we need him. We need VR straps for our Dodges!!!

You do need a bag. Looked at the site. Rough but better than this.


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It's nice to see why people are the way they are.

We all know hoot got hit in the head when the tree fell on his truck.

As for you captainmal, I'd say by the looks of your hat you got your head stuck in a lawn mower? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif Edited by: Max Power

Good deduction. That's my Shell Point Bait and Tackle hat. Was on my John Deere 4wd diesel tractor (Yanmar) cutting the back field. Knocked the hat off on a branch and it went into the mower deck.


Glad head wasn't in the hat. Might have hurt the mower deck.Edited by: captainmal

captain lookin good but you need a tape measure when you shave. And those glasses are huge!Edited by: hoot

captain lookin good but you need a tape measure when you shave. And those glasses are huge!


Hell, I bet he can either see behind him, or see into the future with those babies!

You can't see the uneven shaving or the glasses with his driving hat on.


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The way I see it, I bought a Dodge because thats what I liked best. I don't care what other people drive, and if you are a "smoke head", its all good in my book. We all know that real trucks don't have spark plugs, and that any gasser truck isn't a real truck :D
Scott

Wow this is drawing some pretty heated debate. I don't visit the cummins part of this site that much but today it is very interesting. Do you guys always fight like this or is it just good natured fun. Either way it is really entertaining. Well I have to say that there are always gonna be bad trucks that come from the big 3. Some are better than others and some aren't. Ford seems to have the biggest problems at the moment hoever. But there is going to be a lemon in every bunch. I'll have to say that I drove my buddies dodge 600 and I know that my dmax will hand him his a**. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif As far as being able to put 300,000 plus Miles on a truck. the cummins should have no problem. The Dmax probably won't either but the cummins is proven where the dmax is new. But what do I care I don't plan on putting that many miles on my truck. But any way this is really entertaining.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Stock to stock I don't think anybody will hand me anything and I only have th3 305/555 with 35" tires.

my stock 600 is a hell of a lot faster than my stock duramax was... ( the dmax is a pig stock, I found myself pushing the throttle so hard that the firewall started flexing)





I'm taking both trucks to the track on friday night, and I'll run the dmax without the edge and see how they compare... but from the butt-o-meter dyno, the dmax felt like a slug compared to the cummins..

Fannybach





What's the weight difference between the two trucks your comparing ??





Hoot


I guess we'll just have to reincarnate the Tug Of War in Kent !!!!


Seeyouintherearview,looking like your going back wards ....


Whatcha gonna do when Chrysler goes bankrupt again ?? They are in the bottom of the barrel ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

Mac....


Money makes yours go and provides the headaches. For $35,000 I got one HECK of a truck! You probably got $50,000 wrapped in yours and you paid for the worries.

Remember when Chrysler was going bankrupt before? What in the early 80's? Still here aren't they and they are putting out some pretty awesome machinery like the new 300, the Magnum... cool as all hell for a station wagon as in rear wheel drive cars...plus SRT10.... awesome 500 hp truck that eats anything Ford or GM makes.

I don't see bankruptcy. I wonder how GM keeps going with some of the garbage they still produce (I don't mean the full size trucks) Edited by: hoot

Almost identical.. Chevy a few hundred more (both 4x4).


I'll weigh them both at the local truck stop prior to going out to the track. I'm curious about the weights as well. Obviously I'll take out the 30 DVD's that I keep in the chevy (gotta love that DVD player), as well as the spare set of injectors to try to keep the weights similar. But then again, I usually keep several sets of spare wheel studs and nuts in the dodge, since I'm pretty concerned about shearing them due to the massive amount of torque produced by the Cummins, so maybe it will be a wash.


I wouldn't worry about Chrysler going BK.. I figure government will bail them out like they did in early 80's. I just hope Chevy doesn't go BK with all of these injector recalls.

GM is the worlds BIGGEST auto builder don't cha worry bout "some" injectors .... There is NO recall ,your grasping ....


Enjoy your Chrysler the company we taxpayers bailed out so you can drive one today ... Their payback to the American Taxpayers ??


Build them in Mexico ... Real nice thanks ,Chrysler ....


Keep promoting ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif


Mac Edited by: Mackin

Keep promoting ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif


Mac

ISUZU RULEShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Enjoy your Chrysler the company we taxpayers bailed out so you can drive one today ... Their payback to the American Taxpayers ??


Build them in Mexico ... Real nice thanks ,Chrysler ....


Keep promoting ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Down.gif





Ahh, okay Big Mac.. In fact, yes, I'm enjoying all of Dodges accomplishments these days.. Love my new Viper (for when the urge occurs to go lickity split..) Which is probably why I could care less how fast my dmax or cummins is.. Ever gone 0-100 in less than 7 seconds? How about 0-100-0 in less than 10 seconds? Does Chevy make something like that? Makes your Dmax feel kinda slow afterwards. Got my eye on a 2005 SRT too.. I could get my dirt bike to the desert in a blink of an eye.. go dodge! (ps, don't gripe on dodge for going to Mexico, blame the unions and their ridiculous demands on employers for wages and benefits for basically unskilled labor in the 80's that were lazy at best..)


Fannybach (gotta love that yellow bag)


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/87E_viper_1.jpg


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/viper_2.jpgEdited by: hasselbach

Use to ride Crotch Rockets ,so YUP .....


Yes you do luv your fannypack,may Grandma rest in peace as should your fav pack ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Ford and GM are non union ?? Um about to call Dipper and he's gonna give ya a education ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Use to ride Crotch Rockets ,so YUP .....


Yes you do luv your fannypack,may Grandma rest in peace as should your fav pack ... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Ford and GM are non union ?? Um about to call Dipper and he's gonna give ya a education ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Big Mac, would that education be in spelling and proper use of english? Great, I love to be educated. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


As I recall, Ford and GM were having similar problems with the UAW as well, not just Chrysler. Chrysler didn't have the reserves to ride on as the other two. Speaking of bail outs, how do you feel about welfare, section 8 housing, medical support non resident people, trial lawyers, etc...?? BTW Chrysler came back and fully paid off all gov't loans granted by the feds, 100%. They didn't receive any subsidies as all, just short term financing assistance.

Who said ford gm non-union?

I think Mac did. Must be that bump on his head when your door hit him in the head. Damn those lifted dodges.

Based on this (ps, don't gripe on dodge for going to Mexico, blame the unions and their ridiculous demands on employers for wages and benefits for basically unskilled labor in the 80's that were lazy at best..) I asked ...


Speaking of bail outs, how do you feel about welfare, section 8 housing, medical support non resident people, trial lawyers, etc...??


Lets stick to corporations,the rest could get ugly ....





Mac

Boeing is also giving up on US labor

Lets stick to corporations,the rest could get ugly ....


Mac





I didn't see a forum for Corporation Comparisons. Do we have one on this web site? I ususally do my corporation and union posts on Trump.com


In any event, look for a post on Saturday with the track and weight comparisons between cummins and dmax. Should be interesting. Off to a run to Malibu and the beach in the Viper. Got my fanny pack filled with sand toys and snacks.


Laterhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gifEdited by: hasselbach

It should be interesting. Hopefully you come back telling the truth and not a tail about that big bad ram. And Hasselbach said "I usually keep several sets of spare wheel studs and nuts in the dodge, since I'm pretty concerned about shearing them due to the massive amount of torque produced by the Cummins, so maybe it will be a wash." Last time I checked my dmax came with 590 campared to 600. Man I better be carefull. I better not find an extra 10 lbs of torque somewhere and accidentally sheer my wheel studs off.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif Like I said before they all make good one and bad ones. Maybe I got one of chevys really good ones and he has just a normal 600 cummins. But I gurantee I'll hand him his a**. Anyway it will be interesting to see Hasselbach results.

Hoot it seems everytime you bring something up,these GM guys are all over you,seems they are threatened by you.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


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I'm having fun talking up the Dodge. What I haven't done is exaggerated. It's normal to bang on the outsider on these sites. But they know that I know what the Dmax/Allison and the GM truck is and they are surely interested in my thoughts on the Dodge. One thing I do is say what I see and experience with no reservations. Some people don't like to hear the truth.Edited by: hoot

I'll scan the time slips, with exactly how the runs were conducted. Either way I can't lose since I own both.. If its a tie, I'll go buy a Ford and see what happens. However, they are both great trucks, no major complaints on either. Edited by: hasselbach

I'll scan the time slips, with exactly how the runs were conducted. Either way I can't lose since I own both.. If its a tie, I'll go buy a Ford and see what happens. However, they are both great trucks, no major complaints on either.





We'll need a independent driver as we will not know if you lifted ...





Mac

Hoot





I heard a 24 V straight pipe today reving as he seen me ,lucky for him he wasn't lined up with me ,it reminded me of my Grand-pops old Ford tractor ...


Last one that challenged could only toot his horn and give a thumbs up once MY smoke cleared ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: Mackin

We'll need a independent driver as we will not know if you lifted ...


Mac





If the Dodge wins, we'll know he lifted. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

My son will be driving my dodge, he has his NHRA super comp license (and drives my camaro better than me), so he knows what he's doing. I'll be in the dmax. I told him if he can beat me, I'll let him have the Viper for a month, so I don't think any lifting will be going on.. But again, I own both so it really doesn't matter to me who wins. Just going to the track with my son to have some fun..


Stay tuned boys


PS, raced a turbo 930 slant nose yesterday through decker canyon, and a few straight line runs in the Viper. Dusted the boy pretty bad in the canyons and from a stop. For a stock Viper, this thing hauls ass..


see you tomorrow..

hasselbach


I dunno bout everyone else but I'm nearly wetting my pants with excitement waiting for the results ....


Empty "The Pack" the CC Dually will need all the weight shaved off as possible going up against a Imitation CC shorty Mexican Truck ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

It's going to take Dodge two more years to get a full back seat ??


Just imagine how long it's going to take to get a decent auto ...





And how long did GM wallow around with the 6.2 and 6.5L Oldsmobile engines? How soon we forget........

I keep hearing this decent auto thing? I went to Oklahoma City 2 weeks ago to get my new 6-horse Living quarters and ran 75mph all the way back with the cruise on and it never once shifted down out of OD. The 48RE has been out 18 months now and we haven't had one out of the truck yet, can't say the same for Allison's. The thing that is killing us right now as a GM dealer is this injector issue. I had three lined up outside needing injectors , we're down to two now, but it's been weeks, probably gonna be another one or two before I get two more sets. I also have an Isuzu W5500 tilt cab sitting over there waiting for parts, it's been torn down in my shop for over 4 weeks waiting for parts. If these trucks were Cummins powered we would have had parts in two days max, probably one. I am trading one of the guys with bad injectors out in to a new LLY, his truck has 63k on it. That is my biggest gripe with GM, parts availability. Every time we have a major breakdown on a Duramax it takes a month to get er going, we could do it in a day or two if they could get us the right parts in a timely fashion. I am not saying that Dodge/Cummins don't break, they do, but it is very rare that we can't turn one around in 2-3 days, sometimes 1.

I keep hearing this decent auto thing? I went to Oklahoma City 2 weeks ago to get my new 6-horse Living quarters and ran 75mph all the way back with the cruise on and it never once shifted down out of OD. The 48RE has been out 18 months now and we haven't had one out of the truck yet, can't say the same for Allison's.

Mac.... it's called stock torque. Keeps the auto in OD. And it does it while under warranty. Dmax needs a chip to do the same. Something wrong with that picture. I believe it's classic Japanese "almost" but not quite, like in their full size pickups.

Oooooohhhh, that one's gonna hurthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Oooooohhhh, that one's gonna hurthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Oh what a difference a year makes........

You said it, Hoot has kinda taken on my roll from GM-Diesel. Never thought I'd see that happen.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

hmmmm, Mac is unusually quiet these days. either he is secretly test driving a new dodge or out looking for a neat yellow fannie pack to keep those spare GM injectors in...





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Since the Cummins is now bearable, soundwise, has a crew cab and class leading power their isn't much to argue about. Dodge is now right up there. The Cummins made the decision for me easy. They are all nice trucks now and all have their good and bad points but Dodge is no longer "junky" like they used to be. Actually they haven't been for a while. My brother has a second gen Dodge gasser and loves it.

Since the Cummins is now bearable, soundwise, has a crew cab and class leading power their isn't much to argue about. Dodge is now right up there. The Cummins made the decision for me easy. They are all nice trucks now and all have their good and bad points but Dodge is no longer "junky" like they used to be. Actually they haven't been for a while. My brother has a second gen Dodge gasser and loves it.


Yep, I agree 100%, plus my front seat folds down in the middle and has this great handy storage compartment where I can place my fannie pack in.

I keep hearing this decent auto thing? I went to Oklahoma City 2 weeks ago to get my new 6-horse Living quarters and ran 75mph all the way back with the cruise on and it never once shifted down out of OD.


Makes little sense to compare a 5 speed auto to a 4 speed, as more gears require more shifting. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Recall the purpose of a multigeared transmission is to maintain desirable engine RPM throughout a range of vehicle speed.


I've never heard a big rig driver bragging that he never had to shift gears while carrying a load across country. Must be a Dodge pick'em up truck thing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

I keep hearing this decent auto thing? I went to Oklahoma City 2 weeks ago to get my new 6-horse Living quarters and ran 75mph all the way back with the cruise on and it never once shifted down out of OD.


Makes little sense to compare a 5 speed auto to a 4 speed, as more gears require more shifting. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Recall the purpose of a multigeared transmission is to maintain desirable engine RPM throughout a range of vehicle speed.


I've never heard a big rig driver bragging that he never had to shift gears while carrying a load across country. Must be a Dodge pick'em up truck thing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Depends on what rpm for how long we are talking here. I would rather run on 4th OD in a Dodge than 4th in a Dmax at 75 mph.

Plus the torque curve on the dodge is flatter than a pool table, so why in the world do you need more gears? Those big greyhound buses get by just fine on 4 gears. Why do super comp dragsters go faster with a 2 speed vs a 4 speed? Why did I pick up 2 tenths going to a powerglide from a turbo 400? Torque converters a amazing things. I've been at B&M and Continental many times designing converters for many race cars and trucks and have had the benefit to see 500 ft lbs from a motor increase to well over 1200 ft lbs of torque directly due to the efficiency of the converter. The best I saw was a torque multiplication of slightly less than 3 to 1. Something a clutch could never do...


(but on the flip side, another gear would be nice, maybe a tad lower to get the cruise rpms to something like 1400 or so.)

"Makes little sense to compare a 5 speed auto to a 4 speed, as more gears require more shifting. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Recall the purpose of a multigeared transmission is to maintain desirable engine RPM throughout a range of vehicle speed."


Hmmmmmm, last time I checked the OD ratios's of both tranny's were about the same. I like having a truck that can pull all the hill's with the cruise set and not kick down a gear and rev to 3,000rpms on steep grades. Call it what you like, but I call it annoying for a truck to have to shift a lot to maintain cruise speed with a load.





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Gee you haven't? I've heard lots of drivers of commercial vehicles brag on an engine that could pull the big grades in the higher gears without having to shift. I know when I am on a long trip through hilly country with our three car hauler loaded I sure appreciate a truck that doesn't require as much shifting. The left leg tends to get a little tired sometimes otherwise.

So why in the world do you need more gears?


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Over the road big rigs have flatter torque curves and still have at least 4 times the gears that Dodge offers in the auto connected Cummins.


Why do super comp dragsters go faster with a 2 speed vs a 4 speed?


Because they aren't pulling a load. At start up the wheels are probably already spinning well over 100mph until they heat up and make traction. Try dumping a huge weight on that dragster so it can't break free and you'll need to add a few more gears, or else the drive train will destroy itself. Pulling loads and drag racing are two different ends of the spectrum.Edited by: Ray403Dmax

Gee you haven't?


They don't have a choice, with 18 gears or so, they have to shift.


Gee, maybe new technology will be developed from Dodge's 4 speed auto pickup truck solution that'll revolutionize the trucking industry? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

So why in the world do you need more gears?


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Over the road big rigs have flatter torque curves and still have at least 4 times the gears that Dodge offers in the auto connected Cummins.


Why do super comp dragsters go faster with a 2 speed vs a 4 speed?


Because they aren't pulling a load. At start up the wheels are probably already spinning well over 100mph until they heat up and make traction. Try dumping a huge weight on that dragster so it can't break free and you'll need to add a few more gears, or else the drive train will destroy itself. Pulling loads and drag racing are two different ends of the spectrum.





I disagree with your response. A correctly designed torque converter is basically multiple gears, and can increase torque itself through an efficient stator.


AT START UP THE WHEELS ARE ALREADY DOING 100? You must be very old or haven't been to a race since the mid 1970's when wrinkle wall slicks became common. The tires today literally glue them self to the track. You heat the tires to well over 300 degrees prior to launching, there is almost virtually no slip on a good launch.


Trust me, if the tires are turning 100 MPH, then the car is doing the same. Launching a 3000 lbs car at 5 g's, or a 1800 rail at 7-9 g's is probably harder on the drive train than moving a 30-50 lbs load from a stop light.


Comp cars go faster with 2 gears vs. 4 because an efficient converter matches the torque curve of the motor to the speed of the drive train (meaning, the engine is in the sweet spot longer, rather than bouncing around each shift.)

403, BTW, Volvo and Peterbuilt heavy duty truck divisions are experimenting with 5 and 8 speed transmissions these days (yes, automatics) with lock up converters. Check out their web sites. With advances in diesel engines, there are numerous benefits to fluid couplings vs. clutches. Get with the times boy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gifEdited by: hasselbach

So you're trying to convince me that a dragsters tires aren't breaking loose at the start? That's funny, as every slow motion start I have ever seen shows rubber clearing being shreaded as the tire breaks loose. And once again, let me restate the obvious, drag racing has little to do with the needs of a diesel pickup towing.


And explain to me how your reaching argument that Peterbuilt and Volvo testing experimental 5 and 8 speed autos is supposed to make your argument for an outdated Dodge 4 speed auto tranny towing a horse trailer? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

403, BTW, Volvo and Peterbuilt heavy duty truck divisions are experimenting with 5 and 8 speed transmissions these days (yes, automatics) with lock up converters. Check out their web sites. With advances in diesel engines, there are numerous benefits to fluid couplings vs. clutches. Get with the times boy!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif





Also, autos aren't a big deal to the trucking industry, as I recall Eaton has been building them for quite some time.

So you're trying to convince me that a dragsters tires aren't breaking loose at the start? That's funny, as every slow motion start I have ever seen shows rubber clearing being shredded as the tire breaks loose. And once again, let me restate the obvious, drag racing has little to do with the needs of a diesel pickup towing.


And explain to me how your reaching argument that Peterbuilt and Volvo testing experimental 5 and 8 speed autos is supposed to make your argument for an outdated Dodge 4 speed auto tranny towing a horse trailer? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif





403 Geez, with all the dribble, I've lost the point your trying to make. You're the one stating that the tires on a dragster are doing 100 mph at the start. Trust me, the tires are not shredding or coming apart..They may be wrinkling, but they ain't shredding. Our on board computers in my Alcohol car show less than 3% slippage on a good hook during the first critical 60 feet, our Top Alcohol funny car shows about the same. All I said initially before you got emotional was the extremely flat torque curve of the dodge makes up for the loss of gearing compared to the Allison Trans and Dmax.


With an extremely well designed torque converter, having 4 or 5 speeds doesn't necessarily make a big difference. In fact, I have found my Dmax-Allison combo seems to REQUIRE more gears because the torque curve with the dmax is somewhat peaky, which requires more gear hunting, whereas towing with my Cummins seems indifferent as to what gear its in. There is definitely more area under the torque curve with this motor. (did I lose you somewhere there 403? Sorry to get technical in my explanation, but education and 25 years of successful drag racing for major sponsors, building winning motor and transmission combinations for a living, and countless dyno pulls seems to give one an edge on things like this.) I don't see the dodge transmission being such a major issue that you are making it out to be. But if it makes you happy to have a Dmax with 5 speeds, great. Remember, I have both and am very happy with both combos. Until you have a dodge, and can speak with some actual intelligence on the subject, your comments bashing the dodge are baseless.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif


PS, ran both trucks tonight at the track, side by side, over and over. Will post the results later. Very interesting outcomes.Edited by: hasselbach

I'll be honest the only thing I read on this post was the topic and the first post. Dodge is going to increase their numbers, I just read somethin else on here about chevy increasing their numbers for the 05's. Increase their numbers by what 5hp 10tq, if that? I could get twice that much with a sticker, besides i dont care what numbers they advertise what really matters is what roles of the dyno and I can see it for myself.

Plus, let's don't jump this bandwagon too soon. The Duramax was virtually trouble free until people started putting miles on them. These new Cummins motors will produce their own set of problems as time goes on. I've got a buddy of mine that has an '04 cummins and has already had his injectors replaced. Talk all you want, but your problem days will soon follow. In the end Chevy's will still rule the land! Just ask him. He put his 600ft lbs against my duramax one night. We tied off and when it was all said and done,... I'll put it to you this way I was the one doing all of the trash talking. As you can see from my Sig, I don't run a tuner box. My stock DMAX pulled his Cummins across the parking lot. All I was thinking was bounce baby bounce. That'a all i got to say about the MIGHTY CUMMINS diesel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif

"Until you have a dodge, and can speak with some actual intelligence on the subject, your comments bashing the dodge are baseless."

That goes for most of the Dodge bashers here.

Plus, let's don't jump this bandwagon too soon. The Duramax was virtually trouble free until people started putting miles on them. These new Cummins motors will produce their own set of problems as time goes on. I've got a buddy of mine that has an '04 cummins and has already had his injectors replaced. Talk all you want, but your problem days will soon follow. In the end Chevy's will still rule the land! Just ask him. He put his 600ft lbs against my duramax one night. We tied off and when it was all said and done,... I'll put it to you this way I was the one doing all of the trash talking. As you can see from my Sig, I don't run a tuner box. My stock DMAX pulled his Cummins across the parking lot. All I was thinking was bounce baby bounce. That'a all i got to say about the MIGHTY CUMMINS diesel.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif

That's how GM got so many people to buy the DMax. They put out the "Tug of War" video and convinced us all http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Shortly after Broker came on the scene with a signature touting 300 and 400 thousand mile Dmaxes.

It seems three years later no one has made it that high and he does it regularly.

One thing I would not wish on anybody is the prospect of injector failure. It's way too early for the Cummins but at least Bosch got three years of Dmax guinea piggin out of the way so they could design something a little more reliable. So far there isn't an unusual number of fuel issues. Some leaks and some bad hp pumps is mostly what I've read. Every diesel engine ever introduced had a percentage of bad injectors or injection system problems. GM is the leader in the field! The 6.5TD was a disaster.Edited by: hoot

Dam, I guess I must be one dumb SOB. I guess I was trippin or something when I went down to OKC and got my new trailer and pulled it all the way home in OD at 75mph. I also must have been dreaming when I owned five duramaxes from 01-03 and they all hunted from 5th-4th, 4th-5th, up-down. That C4500 I had with 4.30 rear axle ratio just as well not had a 5th gear cause it couldn't even pull a mild grade with my 6-horse trailer in 5th. I am tired of people who don't own a Dodge/Cummins running their mouths over here on the Dodge part of the board. I am not over on the Chevy side running them down. I am here to talk about Dodge's. I consider myself qualified to talk about Dodge vs. Chevy, because I've owned more of both than most people ever will, I drive them myself (Broker), and I am a dealer for both, so I get to see first hand the problems and the support given to the problems by the manufacturers.

Blah Blah Blah ,wheres are numbers ??????





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Mac, I'll be posting them later today if I have time, but to put it this way, the dodge was almost one second faster purely stock vs. my Chevy dmax on level 0 (Edge), with a 4 inch exhaust, no cat and AFE cold air kit, and $3500 in Allison upgrades. 17.0 dodge to 17.9 duramax in the quarter. MPH they were almost the same at a blistering 77 mph. (This was at LACR, which has horrible air, it was 90 degrees out and someone pitting next to me measured the air at over 8500 feet, so this accounts for the slow numbers)


Now when the Dmax was stepped up to Level 5, the ET's dropped to 15.6 at 88 MPH. If I had launched in 4hi, it probably would have been a tenth or two lower.


To be fair, the chevy has a shell and about 200 lbs of tools in back vs. the dodge which was empty..



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Just for the record, I'm, not judging Dodge. My buddy that owns the 04 Cummins is the one that judged for me. He has an aftermarket exhaust and intake just the same as I do. When his injectors took a dump, he had to borrow my truck for a few days. He installs pools for a living and hauls his big back hoe from job to job. He used my truck for a job while his was in for repairs. He told me when he brought it back to me that as much as he hated to admit it, that my truck out pulled his hands down. So don't hold it against us Dmax guys when your own Dodge family makes statements like this. I'm not trying to start anything. Just relaying info. Have a good one guys!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Funny how you hear it both ways from everybody. I've owned both. I just don't see the Dmax in stock form blowing my truck away overall. My GMC had issues with the small loads I pulled.

Funny how you hear it both ways from everybody. I've owned both. I just don't see the Dmax in stock form blowing my truck away overall. My GMC had issues with the small loads I pulled.

You know how it goes though. My truck might just be a horse. Some seem to have more power than other just like some get better fuel mileage than others. All in stock or near stock form. Maybe that was the difference in your GMC and my Chevy. I haven't had the first load light or heavy that has given me a problem. Guess I'm just lucky. I can't wait to get a tuner and maybe a tranny upgrade and it will be a towing beast!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

My GMC had issues with the small loads I pulled.


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A dooly long box with a shell and tools in the back? And a dodge srw shorty? How is that comparible?

Cummins pull harder when loaded http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

He told me when he brought it back to me that as much as he hated to admit it, that my truck out pulled his hands down. So don't hold it against us Dmax guys when your own Dodge family makes statements like this. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif





I am not a member of either family (Dodge or Chevy), but I too have owned both in the past year and for him to say the Duramax pulls better hands down leads me to believe one of two things: he smokes way to much crack or something was wrong with his truck --ie injectors have been bad since day one.


The D/A combo is a nice "around town " truck. Put 13,000 pounds behind it and then say it pulls better than a CTD and 6 speed is pure crack addict dumb.Edited by: MABurns

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Hoot...you are priceless..my prediction is your next truck will be a


z-71 with quadrasteer. It has superior turning radius you know.

You dodge boys just wait... dodge's true colors will shine through.


yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, the color of my red 1 ton is OUTSTANDING! It really shines... Thanks for reminding me.





Children the paint on both trucks is made by PPG, http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Hoot...you are priceless..my prediction is your next truck will be a


z-71 with quadrasteer. It has superior turning radius you know.

No no no..... all I was doing is giving plain specs readliy available on the sites to prove my truck had a tighter turning radius and I noticed it. You said it didn't.

priceless.... that's what my wife tells me only she means it literally...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

I am not a member of either family (Dodge or Chevy)

Ford?

Boys , Did we not vote Hoots next truck to be a Titan?


Nice spank Luke,I missed it.I bet i drive far more than you.I don't sit in a store all day.Yes i don't drive my haulers and would not care to. I know Luke, I don't drive a diesel. I drive whatever i can steal from guys like you.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

'05 HP/Torque numbers are being keep TOP SECRET. WOrd is that it will be hard for Ford and Chevy to match.

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The only thing they would need to "catch up" on is the full size crew cab. That's it.


ON EDIT: I believe that they are slated to come out with one in 06? Can anyone confirm?Edited by: CTD 600

Boys , Did we not vote Hoots next truck to be a Titan?


Yea there ya go.

Titan with an Isuzu diesel http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif Now you're talking.

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On edit... I like the Duramax. Just have some opinions on it's useful life.


Broker... you have an interesting situation. You have all kinds of vehicles, and don't drive diesels.

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Hoot said that Cummins pulls harder loaded. Hoot, how would you know that? I haven't read a post of yours yet that indicates that you pull anything, or have any load for that matter. What are you basing your statement on?


Also, the 555 or 600 should pull better under load that your lb7 did. They have more power. How are the comparisons between the 600 and the lly? The Diesel Page gives the nod to the lly. Might just be hype, I'll wait until I see some other independent comparisons before making claims. Up until now, a good running PSD is still king of the hill from what I've seen. I just wonder whether Dodge or GM is in second place? This info came from a test by Pickup Truck.com where PSD was #1, Cummins #2, and DMax #3, but they didn't indicate whether the DMax was an lly or not.


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BillEdited by: billnourse

Hoot said that Cummins pulls harder loaded. Hoot, how would you know that? I haven't read a post of yours yet that indicates that you pull anything, or have any load for that matter. What are you basing your statement on?


Also, the 555 or 600 should pull better under load that your lb7 did. They have more power. How are the comparisons between the 600 and the lly? The Diesel Page gives the nod to the lly. Might just be hype, I'll wait until I see some other independent comparisons before making claims. Up until now, a good running PSD is still king of the hill from what I've seen. I just wonder whether Dodge or GM is in second place? This info came from a test by Pickup Truck.com where PSD was #1, Cummins #2, and DMax #3, but they didn't indicate whether the DMax was an lly or not.


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The 555 is 305hp.... LB7 Dmax is 300/520

I base my statements on knowledge gained over the years. If I pulled with them all... Dmax and Cummins and PSD would you still take my statement as gospel? NO

There's an article on TDR that did a test and made mincemeat out of the Dmax... I thought the article was a little rough on the DMax but hey.... they did pull, handling and braking tests and simply ruled the Dmax out. They left it between the PSD and the Cummins.

I'm not basing anything on that article and I know there were other tests done over the years showing the Cummins always coming up last. I don't believe that's the case now with the third gen Dodges when all things are even. The problem is they can never seem to get all things even.

The diesel page got the DMax first.... TDR got the Cummins first... PUTC got the PSD first.

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Hoot,


If you pulled with all three of them, I would certainly be less critical of your evaluations.


As far as TDR's evaluation, people on the TDR have claimed that the pre-3rd generations would outpull the DMax. That is total crap, as I traveled with a 1998 CTD while on vacation. Mine and the CTD were both pulling 5th wheels, and the CTD had a considerably smaller trailer, and it couldn't start to keep up with the DMax. This was a 2,000 mile trip and a good chance at evaluation.


That CTD by the way, is currently sitting in my bother-in-law's yard with the auto transmission and the lift pump out at less that 50,000 miles.


If TDR picked the 6.0 PSD, and all it's problems over the DMax, then I would certainly have to question their evaluation process.


Still not knocking the CTD, just a little tired of all the claims of perfection.


Regards,


Bill

No claims of perfection. Why would you even say that?

As far as you buddies CTD broke down at 50,000 miles... means nothing to me.

While owning and driving my Dmax there were and are broke down Dmaxes all around ... means nothing unless it happens to a large percentage.

"As far as you buddies CTD broke down at 50,000 miles... means nothing to me.

While owning and driving my Dmax there were and are broke down Dmaxes all around ... means nothing unless it happens to a large percentage."





I'd say that is a good statement. If you went by the number of Dmax's I've had sitting behind our shop for over 6 weeks now waiting for GM to get some injectors out you'd think all Dmax's were junk to. I had 3, but I'm down to 2 now. But you have to look at the big picture. Yes, the 2nd gen Dodge's had tranny and lift pump problems, but compare it to the GM diesels of the mid 90's and it doesn't seem so bad. The third gen Rams are way more truck than the 2nd gen, just like the Dmax is way more and better truck than the 6.5.

Hoot,


Why would I say that? For as long as I can remember all you did was bash the CTD, and praise the DMax, now it's a complete reversal. Sounds like perfection to me. Maybe it's just that what ever you drive is perfect.


By the way, where were all these broken down DMax's when you were driving yours?? I sure don't recall you making many posts about them while the DMax was still perfect in your mind.


You said that you based statements about the pulling power of the CTD on knowledge you gained over the years. You have never loaded a DMax or a CTD, so where did this knowledge come from. Seems to me it would be hard to get personal knowledge without personal experience.


Speaking of large percentages of problems, I was when I brought up the lift pumps and transmissions. It was a huge problem according to all the diesel pages. There are still reports of lift pump problems, and it is a little early to tell about the transmission.


I understand that Dodge also still has the "Death Wobble". Is that a large percentage?


Regards,


Bill


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Luke,


To listen to you tell it the CTD is in the perfect catagory in your mind too. You've made statements about the CTD outselling the Dmax 15 to 1 in your business. With your attitude, it doesn't surprise me that you have that kind of sales ratio. But nationally the Dmax outsells the CTD at a rate of 25% to 24% with PSD at 51%.


If the GM is such a POS why do you keep the dealership? Seems like a real poor business decision to me. I'm surprised that you haven't given up the dealership. I am more surprised that GM hasn't taken it away from you with your attitude. I know that if I had a company I wouldn't want someone that badmouthed my product responsible for selling it.


Regards,


BillEdited by: billnourse

First off, we own the dealership, but I do not sell out of that store. We have other sales people over there. Yes I am sorry but here in our community Dodge/Cummins out sells Chevy/Duramax, and it's not 15 to 1, its more like 25 to 1. I don't have a big problem with Chevy trucks, ya, I prefer Dodge's but I don't hate Chevy's. What I do hate is having trucks sit out behing the shop for over 6 weeks waiting for injectors. It's bad business. We have done everything in our power to get the parts, but GM can't supply. If you are gonna sell something you must be able to provide service, and right now GM's screw-up's are making me look real bad. Thats something you have no personal experience with, so don't talk down at me because I don't care for your beloved GM. I had a guy threaten to kick my a$$ last winter because his Dmax was down for 8 weeks because of no parts availability. When I get threatened because GM can't get their crap together in parts that makes me dislike GM even more. I am not saying Dodge's don't break, they break plenty. But when they do I can get them back on the road quick. Cummins' parts availibility is superior. Repairs generally can be completed in a 2 days or less unless it is a really big problem like an engine replacment which might take 4 or 5 days. Your surprised they haven't taken the dealership away from us? Well they ought to be surprised we haven't given it back the way we get treated. You make it out like I don't know anything about Duramax's. Hell, I've only personally owned 5 of the dam things, how many people on this board can say that? I used to like em, until we had to try to repair em once they got a little age on em. Thats when I got my bad "attitude". After taking a bunch of A$$ eating's because customer's trucks being in the shop for weeks on end waiting for parts your attitude gets bad.

Luke,


And you still keep that lousy, no parts available, GM doesn't care dealership????????Go figure.


You are now saying that the CTD breaks plenty? It seems that I read a post of yours not a week ago claiming that you've only had about 4 or 5 600's back in the shop out of all the ones you've sold????


Regards,


BillEdited by: billnourse

Well Bill, we have so much money invested in it it's kinda hard to say "to hell with GM", and just walk away. We have a couple hundred grand worth of parts, the real estate, the GM special tools, and all the GM special computers. I really don't mean to come off like an arrogent A$$hole. But it is tough when you've put up with as much crap as we have. We have made a good living in the Dodge business when others in the Dodge business have failed. But we've lost our A$$ in the GM business when a lot of other guys made a lot of money at it. My attitude is bad, you're right. But it didn't used to be, I was made that way. My father is even more fed up with GM than I am. He'd have told them to come get their stuff all ready if it wasn't for me telling him not to, telling him we gotta find the magic formula to make this thing work. It's hard to walk away from over a $1,000,000 investment. If GM would meet us half way and get us some dam injectors maybe it wouldn't be so hard and my attitude wouldn't be so bad, but I can't change that, it's in GM's hands. It's not just injectors either. It's any GM parts. I think they go down to the wrong side of the tracks and look for crack heads to hire for their parts depot workers for the St.Louis depot. You order a tranny cooler line for an Ally, they send you a tailgate latch for an S-10, or you don't get anything at all, or you get 3 when you only ordered 1. I've lost more service customers in the last two years because of parts problems than you can imagine. And if you can't get em serviced, their probably not guy be visiting the sales department any time soon either. If I was having the same problems at the Dodge store I'd say, ok, it must be us, we don't know what the hell we're doing, we gotta get outta this business all together. But we don't have the same problems. Well that's enough for now, arguing on the internet is pointless anyhow. I got to do a few things before I go home.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

See Bill.... more info (fuel on the fire) from another "owned them both" guy.

I would say Luke has a great deal more experience than me, first hand, but this is the type of thing I'm talking about. I don't have to be a hauler to talk about hauling. I don't have to be a politician to talk about politics..... and so on.

Nobody here is saying Dodge rules. Get off that donkey and listen to us... yea sometimes I come out with a quip.. sometimes members bash the Dodge... yes I bashed the Dodge.. but right here and now my stand is like a lot of peoples are.... Dodge ain't as bad as most GM owners, including me, make them out to be.

I'm not and Luke isn't on an anti-GM tirade. But the digs back and forth sometimes make it look that way, This is a pro GM site so you would expect the underdogs with a little corner to bark from, might bite back once in a while.

Hey Luke..trust me when I tell you Dodge is zero better and I mean zero. A while back you got all over my case about bombing Dodge trucks and had some pretty nasty things to say and tried to make me out to be a fool...even though I stated my 03 truck was a project truck and I understood the implications of what I was doing. I asked you the name of the dealership you owned...you never replied?Edited by: dpower

Ah yes, trust youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Why don't you head on over to TDR and actually learn something about your favorite truck...Come on...lets hear your dealer name...in our first encounter you even implied you were a tech...now you own the place....what can I say...your moving up in the world. Too chicken to put your dealer name on the line...must be a reason for that.

I don't have to be a hauler to talk about hauling. I don't have to be a politician to talk about politics..... and so on.



Hey Hoot....do ya know anything about rocket science...probably not but I am sure you could become an expert by using the internet right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I don't have to be a hauler to talk about hauling. I don't have to be a politician to talk about politics..... and so on.



Hey Hoot....do ya know anything about rocket science...probably not but I am sure you could become an expert by using the internet right?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


I don't own a rocket but I do own a Cummins and did own a Dmax and two 6.5TD's over the years. Put a couple hundred thousand miles on the batch.... while not surfing the net.

I would agree the trucks are close to each other now. No sense in us getting touchy over it. I give the nod to the Allison though for longevity unless this year and next proves the 48RE to be more durable than previous versions.

dpower,


The dealership is Maczuk Chrysler Inc. in Hermann, Mo. Their Chev. Dealership is Maczuk Chev. Geo. in Hermann, Mo. They have a web page with inventories, etc. for the Dodge Dealership, but none that I could find for the GM dealership.


This information is in Luke's profile on another site, so it is no secret.


Regards,


BillEdited by: billnourse

Hoot,


I am a GM owner that doesn't make the Dodge out to be bad. In fact I have stated that I will get one if I start having problems with the Dmax. All I have said is that they have problems also, something you seem reluctant to accept.


As far as your 48RE goes, there is already a recall. Don't know how serious it is, but it is a recall that takes time off to get fixed.


As far as you and Luke being on an anti-GM triade, what else would you call it???? Almost every post of yours deals with how great the Dodge is and what a POS the GM is.


Regards,


Bill

Reluctant to admit problems? I don't think so. You must not be following me as close as some of the others.

Problems so far...

70 mph driveline vibration.... Fixed
Death wobble occurred once immediately after installing the 2" leveling kit. Adjusted caster... so far so good.

The tranny recall.... It's replacing a solid metal pipe tranny line to the Water Cooled tranny cooler with one that has a piece of rubber hose half way between the units. The hard line was vibrating and could cause a leak at the cooler.

My truck already had all the latest TSB's incorporated at build time.Edited by: hoot

No excuses gentlemen,but the Dodge ribbin' will continue as long as Hoot drives a Dodge,would you not agree? I think it's just funny to see him grabbin' his ankles about once a week now a days!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Got to admit the GM wars Hoot raged all over the internet has calmed down since became a Dodge owner.He having to suckup and swalow alot of old Dodge remarks he made. I personaly think it's cheap entertainment, breaks up my day, i hope he never sells it .http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


If Dodge was the best truck,then why is it out sold by Ford, GM & GMC ?


on edit: Hoot is still a good sport!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gifEdited by: BROKER

Thanks Bill for the info... I am gonna get it up on TDR as soon as possible along with his comments...make sure those dodge guys stear clear of this place if they want to have any warranty work done at all. We are all in this together, dodge ford whatever we have to unite against dealers like his....they are just out to make money and customer service is obviously second on their list.

Thanks Bill for the info... I am gonna get it up on TDR as soon as possible along with his comments...make sure those dodge guys stear clear of this place if they want to have any warranty work done at all. We are all in this together, dodge ford whatever we have to unite against dealers like his....they are just out to make money and customer service is obviously second on their list.

What the hell is that all about? I'm beginning to get the feeling a few on this site are taking things a little too far. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Unhappy.gif

Broker you're just blind, period. Did somebody say "best"? Instigator... that's all you are.

Better word.... troll with a signatureEdited by: hoot

dpower,


What are you talking about? What comments? There has been nothing that Luke has posted that I've read that would be any reason to avoid his dealership, especially where the CTD is concerned. He has made it plain that he favors the Dodge, and does his best to do timely work even on units that have been modified, so what is your beef?


It is GM that Luke has a problem with, and he has explained that this mostly stems from not getting good GM service from the factory. None of this is a reflection on his willingness or ability to do service work.


If I had known this is what you had in mind, I would never have given you any information, even thought it is in his sig. and easy enough to find.


We're not all in this together if your mission is to trash someone's business just because they don't agree with you about which brand of stupid pickup to buy. This is supposed to be entertaining, not carried to some extreme for no reason. Luke has done nothing to warrant any sanctions to his business, or any personal attacks.


Luke, I apologize for not having more sense than to open such a can of worms. I guess I sometimes forget that this is the internet, and not just friends and co-workers chiding each other. There are some sharks to contend with.


Regards,


Bill

All right you jerk, now I am getting mad. You have no right to say anything about my dealership. You are not one of my customers and I hope you never will be. The reason I jumped all over you butt originally was because you came on here screaming your Dodge was a POS and it was junk and you couldn't get it warrantied because of A$$ hole dealers. But in your first couple posts you failed to mention it was highly modified. You have no right to talk about my business. For your information we do a lot of warranty work on modded trucks all the time. But when sombody gets out of hand or If I get charged back by DC that's when we have to cut somebody off. What you sir are doing is slander, and I don't appreciate it. Until you have had your truck worked on at our shop I suggest you keep your comments to yourself because they have no facts to them. I'm done with this nonsense.

Bill the above comments were aimed at Dpower not you. Even though you and I disagree on what brand of trucks we like best we have always been respectful and thats the way it should be. I hope you can understand some of my beef with GM after some of the above posts. Don't worry about giving out the info, it is here on the net on a lot of these boards for all to see. I have nothing to hide. I know that we provide good service, and so do my customers. I don't however care what a some mouthy truck puller on the internet who has never done business with me thinks about our business.

Hoot, i'm not blind..............I just know when I see a guy spending his hard earned dough on junk ! A$$ for every seat. Hoot were is the spirit you had? Instigator...........that's calling the kettle black Hoot!

I challenge Nick and the Moderaters on this site to review all your posts.

Then post one that contributes and it's date.

Till then.... troll

You don't own a Dodge, you don't drive diesel trucks... you don't even like diesels.

This Dodge forum is going to the dogs.Edited by: hoot

Luke is a stand up guy.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif His beef with GM is justifiable in my opinion.Granted i love to toss DOdGe in the dumpster and he does not like it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifSo be it, I have alot of bad experiences with DOdGe and i'm gona bad mouth them as long as I CAN.Warning people from getting stung by them.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif I'm not gona drive around the country in one with a lemon affixed to it though.http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

Hoot , stop crying to the moderators.Even Mac makes fun of your DOdGe.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

I don't mind having my truck get made fun of. It's who's doing it that bothers me.

You don't own a Dodge, you don't drive diesel trucks... you don't even like diesels.

This Dodge forum is going to the DOdGeS.


Hoot,there is a Brand new 300c in the company.

Come on Hoot, i'm bothering you now.Where is the sportmanship in it?

Face it you own and drive them ,I own them and drive what ever i want.


I have been thinking about a Touareg V-10 Diesel just to keep with the spirit , but it's just not practical.I do have a 02 Excursion Limited 4x4 PSD 7.3l that i do alot of traveling in but i rarely drive it.Get my point?The SSR is alot more fun right now.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


Edited by: BROKER

Luke you know you started it.....it was you who said I was crazy for bombing yadda yadda yadda....I don't appreciate someone who has never turned a wrench on a diesel to get all over my case...I stated the FACTS. This was in hoots famous I switched to a dodge post. I will quit on this topic...let it be known that I will not and I mean will not forget what others have said in the past. Remember IT WAS YOU LUKE who said I was STUPID for bombing my truck in the first place. I never asked for a bit of money from dodge...cummins came through on their junk re-build that they sent me..kudos to cummins once again for that. I am tired of all this crap.... say what you want... I didn't start any of this.Edited by: dpower

What was the title of this thread??? http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif

What was the title of this thread??? http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Look again

All in fun now boys....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif



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ahhh, this discussion makes me feel at home!!! Had an 03 Chevy in the shop THIRTY FOUR times in the 14 months I owned it. Couldn't believe the steering box "wore out" at 8k. Or having to repaint it at 15k. New light switch at 18k. Or maybe the spare tire AND carrier that fell off at 18k -- that one smashed my exhaust and back quarter. And then the driver side seat that had to be replaced at 19k. Had to get a new steareo head at 21k. Had to replace a transfer case sensor at 23k to get rid of the Service 4WD message. Did I mention the replacement instrument console at 35k? Transmission not shifting right at 34k - replaced pressure control solenoid. Transmission occassionally slipping and shifting hard at 56k, sometimes starts in 2nd gear from a complete stop while in drive. -- Time for a new truck. Oh, I almost forgot - The tailgate was so far out of adjustment when I bought the truck that they had to cut and reweld the hinge to make it fit right.


Anyhow, I finally decided to trade it in for a different truck. I asked about oversize tires. The Chevy dealer told me it would void my entire powertrain warranty since the Allison can't handle oversize tires. At that point, I went to the Dodge dealer who said they would be happy to reprogram my spedo for the new tires size.


Thinking back, it was funny when I received the recall notice on the tailgate cables on the Chevy the day after I traded it. Couldn't believe the BS about "we don't have a solution yet, but if you have to load the truck, take the tailgate off when you do it or you might get injured".


My Dodge is turning 20k today and has only seen the shop for upgrades and oil changes. Lovin' it!

I'm not jealous. I like Dodge. It gives me something to pass on the highway. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Just kidding guys ease up.





Hey, Hoot is allowed to drive what he wants. Since he has had both I think he will give good info on how they compare.

wow, i will have to drop in here more often. luke, if you own a couple of dealerships why does your wife drive a regular cab? crew cabs sold out? also about the tranny's. even if the 48re proves durable, it is not as refined as to being mated to the powerband of the cummins as the allison is to the duramax. i have drove a good friends new 600. i really love his truck, but the aplication of power does not seem as smooth as mine. luke, i am just teasing, please dont take it wrong. wil

You know I couldnt tell you how good or bad the Dodge service department is.... Especially after owning two of them and never needing to visit the service department!!! Cant say that about any of the chevys or Fords ive owned.....

The GM guys have nothing to be jealous about...a Dmax..one of the diesel page members...made 793rwhp in his Dmax with stock injectors and a stock turbo....nuff said! Look in the power and performance forum for more details.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

The GM guys have nothing to be jealous about...a Dmax..one of the diesel page members...made 793rwhp in his Dmax with stock injectors and a stock turbo....nuff said! Look in the power and performance forum for more details.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

That's awsome numbers. It's cool what can be done with these motors. But when you get over tranny crunching power you go into possible major out of pocket expenses. I don't see too many going over 500 rwhp unless they have a lot of spare change.

As far as the Cummins... you gotta admit for a 5.9 straight six, it's one heck of a motor and it has seen those numbers. Throw enough cash at them and ... hey, GM did a test with the 4 cylinder Cavalier engine to see what the stock engine could handle. They got it up to 500 flywheel hp before the head started lifting.

I'm learning a little more about power these days. You have the dyno queens, sled pullers, track trucks and streetable trucks. You can build a truck that dynos big numbers but becomes a short lived money pit in short notice. You can build one that runs fast on the track but requires more than just a strong motor... you need to modify the suspension and under certain times you have to have a roll cage.

Or you can build a fast/powerful everyday ride that has some durability left in it.

Even in stock form these 300+ hp trucks do pretty well around town.

But at 800 rwhp you are in competition mode with money to burn. Shoot the Allison would be cooked without major bucks installed.

The Cummins powered dragster did 9 second quarters at Muncie running a 2-speed POWERGLIDE auto trans.... right out of a chevy Impala and beefed up for drag racing. Just goes to show you the Allison isn't the answer to drag racing. The Allison is a great truck/towing transmission.Edited by: hoot

How bout all of you grow up and realize that none of the rest of us forum members wish to see our brand of trucks (whichever brand that is) to be ran through the mud if you will.. We all paid TOO MUCH for what we have and WE ALL obviously feel good about our purchases. EACH BRAND has its issues.. so drop it! EVERY BRAND has lemons as well.. so move on.. or go back to the TDR and run your mouth there because they enjoy this stuff. !!! By the end of the thread i was just ticked off at ALL OF YOU.. no matter what brand. It's hard enough to make that payment each month and feel good about it.. now it'll be even harder having to worry about problems that haven't occurred or don't exist because I read that they do happen on THIS FORUM! I love my truck.. you love yours. So hug , kiss make up and start a new topic! GOOD GRIEF!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Has anybody seen the War Room? This looks like it...but the name is all wrong. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Now listen here cowgirl,

With all due respect...

I agree with everything you said but...

1) Your signature is provocative

2) You are provocative

3) You just posted in the Cummins forum.. to me that means you have some interest here...

What's your opinion on the Dodge... let it rip

Ahhh Hoot....be nice...wait shes mad at me too.....oh well, whats new some girl is pissed at me.

I think she could take ya hoot... better be careful..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Now now... you guys ease up and don't try and make me out to be the bad guy.

cowgirl... ???

A new low for Tootie...............beatin' up on cowgirlshttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif! Your'e a class clown all of your own doing Hoot.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif Like i said,this is more fun than when Hootie owned a GMC!!! ROTFLMFAO!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Beat it Broker...

You got nothing but bashing in your blood.










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EEAAAAASSSSSSYYYYYYYYY............................ .Hoot.


Forget to take the PROSAC did we?Edited by: BROKER