I drove by the Flint, MI plant yesterday and they had a TON of 2500's and 3500's on the new platform in the parking lot and on the trucks pulling away. I'm not from up here, just on business, but perhaps someone that actually lives up this way can say the same. There were a ton of diesels as well, damn 2 out of 3 had the Duramax/Allison badge on it. So they are in production.

They are NOT in production yet. Each GM truck plant does run batches of the new trucks through to check their new systems and tooling and this is done in small runs prior to the launch of the new product. What you saw are Manufacturing Validation build units.

pilot vehicles :ro)

they will most likely be sent to the crusher before too long tho :bawl:

pilot vehicles :ro)

they will most likely be sent to the crusher before too long tho :bawl:

IDK Man? For them to go through all the badging and everything to just turn around and crush them....IDK? By a ton, I bet I saw at least 750 of them.

There is still time to order a classic, the 1/2 tons are being produced now.

HD's have been cut off as of last week, no more 800's are being made.

no more 800's are being made.

I own a dinosaur, a relic from a bygone era!! :bawl:

HD's have been cut off as of last week, no more 800's are being made.
Just because orders for GMT800 HDs can no longer be placed doesn't mean GMT800 HD production is over yet, at least not at all plants.

That said, while they may be ahead of schedule on the GMT900 HDs, they're not that far ahead.

IDK Man? For them to go through all the badging and everything to just turn around and crush them....IDK? By a ton, I bet I saw at least 750 of them.
I don't think they will crush them; not anytime soon, anyway.

redeagle313, what happened to your 06?

I own a dinosaur, a relic from a bygone era!! :bawl:

I'm the one with the dinosaur here, but hopefully not for to long. I will be ready to buy sometime next year..:)

I was just at the dealer from which I have purchased 6 trucks, to see about trading. They told me I still have about a month to place an order. I feel they have no need to lie to me about the cut off date, since I have done a fair amount of business with them in the past couple of years, and they know I have no intentions of buying one after january 07.



Just because orders for GMT800 HDs can no longer be placed doesn't mean GMT800 HD production is over yet, at least not at all plants.

That said, while they may be ahead of schedule on the GMT900 HDs, they're not that far ahead.

Others who have recently actually placed an order have a different experience:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1346800&postcount=26

pilot vehicles :ro)

they will most likely be sent to the crusher before too long tho :bawl:
I don't believe they will be sent to the crusher. GM is not going to throw that kind of money out the window. You can be one of the first to own!

These Manufacturing Validation trucks will be sent to various engineering departments and will become development "mules" for future programs. Some will go to the various sales groups and will be used for car & truck shows, TV commercials, ads, etc. Many will be running durability tests & crash tests at the Proving Ground and some will be driven by engineers and executives as part of the P.E.P. Program.

Many of these are Non-Saleable Vehicles which means that they will eventually be crushed when they are no longer useful. Some are saleable vehicles that will be used internally and will not be sold until long after Jan.1, 2007; some will remin in the fleet for years.

I read earlier in that post where october was the cut off for regular and extended cabs, and december 06 was going to be the cut off for the crew cab.


Others who have recently actually placed an order have a different experience:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1346800&postcount=26

Placed my order two weeks ago with a est build date of the week of the 11/27. (07 Classic)
I was told the cut off date for ordering was around the first week of October

oh well, maybe the lied to me. No big deal for me, it will mean a loss of business from a long time customer and alot of people will hear my story if that is the case. So maybe there is a Cummins in my future after all?

Those trucks are for updating the tech. I drove to of them to ohio over the weekend

Those trucks are for updating the tech. I drove to of them to ohio over the weekend


well dont leave us hanging. how was it? :D

These Manufacturing Validation trucks will be sent to various engineering departments and will become development "mules" for future programs. Some will go to the various sales groups and will be used for car & truck shows, TV commercials, ads, etc. Many will be running durability tests & crash tests at the Proving Ground and some will be driven by engineers and executives as part of the P.E.P. Program.

Many of these are Non-Saleable Vehicles which means that they will eventually be crushed when they are no longer useful. Some are saleable vehicles that will be used internally and will not be sold until long after Jan.1, 2007; some will remin in the fleet for years.


Are you an engineer for GM, you seem to know alot about GM??

Im just wondering, not tryin to be a ***** or anything

For anyone that cares there is an 07 GMC 1/2 listed for sale on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GMC&Sierra%3D1500&Crew%3DCab&Z71%3DXM&HTD%3DSeats&Leather%3DRemote&Start%3DBOSE&40604%3DMSRP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6244QQihZ0 05QQitemZ150048088781QQrdZ1

Will

For anyone that cares there is an 07 GMC 1/2 listed for sale on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GMC&Sierra%3D1500&Crew%3DCab&Z71%3DXM&HTD%3DSeats&Leather%3DRemote&Start%3DBOSE&40604%3DMSRP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6244QQihZ0 05QQitemZ150048088781QQrdZ1

Will



WOW!!!
You bet we care!

Thanks a buch will for the info and link! You rock!:ro)

That GMC truck on EBAY looks SOOOOO incredible.
I swear they keep getting better and better day by day.
Especially in Black they look even more amazing.

The more I see them, the more I like them. WOW!!!
Truly amazing how great the new bodys look.

While the 2006 trucks are cool, Im SOOOOO happy i waited for the new 2007 and dint rush into an 06.
:cool2:

For anyone that cares there is an 07 GMC 1/2 listed for sale on Ebay.



In the ebay ad it reads: 2007 GMC Sierra SLT 4x4

Please note: This truck CANNOT be registered in the following states:
California, New York, Vermont, and Maine.

What's up with that? :confused:

Greenpeace emissions regulations... endorsed by Al Gore, Barbra S, Sierra Club and all the tree huggers you can prop up.:joke: (sort of).

Different emissions standards in those states.

pilot vehicles :ro)

they will most likely be sent to the crusher before too long tho :bawl:

That's a negative on the crusher...

As RayMich already said, they will go into "company vehicle service" as demos for executives, and then sold off as PEP units to qualified employees. PEP units are driven for 90 days before offered for sale to GM employees at a reduced price.

I'm sure most of these are going to become exec demos (then sold as PEP), show units, and/or test units. The test units get crushed on their own when they run them into a wall. I'm sure by now that phase of testing has already been completed, prior to even announcing this vehicle for sale to the public. Any testing now is just to work out some bugs. These types of test units (and the show units) will get sold off at the factory auction in Carleton, Michigan. (sorry guys, dealers only!) They may even offer these units to the PEP pool even if they don't have many miles on them. (Show units get transported around, so usually sold with well under 100 miles on them)

Hope this info helps expand on what Ray has already mentioned.

Saw 2 today & they had a vin# of #7000017EX. EX = export OR EXPERIMENTAL. There are stickers inside the door stating this truck is not for sale. It will pobaly be crushed. this is what they do to a whole bunch after using them for show & such. I took part in a vehicle that we ACTUALLY BROKE APART WITH SLEDGE HAMMERS. SAD! SAD! Howard

we have 2 1500's that were dropped off today at our dealership. I din't get a chance to see them they quickly dissappeared to get detailed...

I am not a engineer at least not yet anyway. I have 2 cousins one works for DMAX and the other for GM. The trucks are:cool2: and awesome. I drove a 3500 srw 4wd z71. It had the Dmax and allison combo. Also a ext cab Dmax with allison. The ext door windows roll down like the front ones do. Alot of power. 23-24 mpg. Can be up to 30 on the new trucks with Dmax.:grd: and :ro) . If you have any questions just ask.

I am not a engineer at least not yet anyway. I have 2 cousins one works for DMAX and the other for GM. The trucks are:cool2: and awesome. I drove a 3500 srw 4wd z71. It had the Dmax and allison combo. Also a ext cab Dmax with allison. The ext door windows roll down like the front ones do. Alot of power. 23-24 mpg. Can be up to 30 on the new trucks with Dmax.:grd: and :ro) . If you have any questions just ask.



Wow, really Dmax Fan?... close to 30 MPG with the new Duramax LMM diesel?
Do you know for sure what the mialage estimates will be for the new Duramax?

Thats Awesome if it is near 25 or higher on the new 2007 Duramax trucks!
:ro)

I think the current 2006 LBZ gets around 20 MPG or so on average? (Ive heard as low as 13 MPG on the LBZ and as high as 23 MPG on the LBZ)


Also, when do you think we will see the first 2500 HD Diesels at the dealerships? I know the current 1500's are already arriving at dealerships now, which is sooner than we all had thought.

Hopefully the 2500 HD trucks come in sooner than we expect too!
That would be very :cool2: ...

;)

Yeah they can go up to 30mpg. I was getting 23-24 coming from detroit to ohio. and the trucks had like 2miles on them. after break in peroid they should be 25 to 27mpg. They built 150 trucks total for testing ang updating techs and etc. Right now they are saying early 07 but the soonest so far would be mid december. But that could change. because the half ton crews were suppose to be out a month or so ago.

If the mpg is anyhwere near that I will have one by summer. Sounds kind of optimistic to me...JMO.

you should get 2-3 mpg more after engine breaks in

I would think 15-16mpg would be the correct range.. anything over 20mpg seems to be out of line.. It would be awesome if those numbers pan out..

that is the numbers under testing

Is the new LMM engine any quieter? Is the ride the same? How is the new interior when driving?

yes a little quieter. The ride is better with the coil over shocks on front end. The new interior is awesome and cool.:cool:

Nice, I still hope that mpg is around 20 with the new technology.

yes a little quieter. The ride is better with the coil over shocks on front end. The new interior is awesome and cool.:cool:
Are you talking about two different trucks there? The hd's don't have coil overs

I am not a engineer at least not yet anyway. I have 2 cousins one works for DMAX and the other for GM. The trucks are:cool2: and awesome. I drove a 3500 srw 4wd z71. It had the Dmax and allison combo. Also a ext cab Dmax with allison. The ext door windows roll down like the front ones do. Alot of power. 23-24 mpg. Can be up to 30 on the new trucks with Dmax.:grd: and :ro) . If you have any questions just ask.


1. Is acceleration "seemless" on the new LMM? Is there any lag or dead pedal effect from a dead stop? I understand the turbo design and fuel management had some considerable changes. Did you detect any differences between LMM and LBZ in real life driving? Did the higher output LMM feel more "spirited" or did the LMM feel more subdued from the additional emission changes?

2. How do the new HD's handle compared to the 800's given that chassis changes are rumored to be very minor?

3. Does you cousin have any inside info. on DMAX's confidence in the LMM. Is the new emisions equipment considered "tried and true" technology or will it have "teething pains"? (ie Would your cousin buy now with confidence or wait?)

4. Any internal rumors of a larger gasser comming for the HD's or is 6.0 it?

5. Any other real life driving experiences you want to share?

Thanks!!

Yeah they can go up to 30mpg. I was getting 23-24 coming from detroit to ohio. and the trucks had like 2miles on them. after break in peroid they should be 25 to 27mpg.
Sure, they can get 30mpg. But at what speed? Not at normal interstate highway speeds on a level road.

Manufacturing Validation Build Units? Pilot Vehicles? Development "Mules?"

These are interesting terms that bring me great joy. It means production of the new 2007's has begun! I have been waiting for this moment for a long time. :coolio:

GMT-900 HD's do not have coil overs....same torsion bars before as on the -800's

really is no big difference between the lbz and the lmm. With something new there are always issues that don't show up in testing. anything is possible. Frame wise i did not notice any difference. The 6.2l is for the denalis GMC. They ride great and they look :cool2:

Up to 30mpg at 67mph on flat land.

These GMT-900's had coil overs on front end

Saw 2 today & they had a vin# of #7000017EX. EX = export OR EXPERIMENTAL. There are stickers inside the door stating this truck is not for sale. It will pobaly be crushed. this is what they do to a whole bunch after using them for show & such. I took part in a vehicle that we ACTUALLY BROKE APART WITH SLEDGE HAMMERS. SAD! SAD! HowardALL vehicles with "EX" (EXPERIMENTAL) VIN are NON-SALEABLE and will eventually be scrapped. They will be used for various development and test programs and some may remain in the GM fleet for years to come, but eventually they will ALL be crushed.;)

They built 150 trucks. some for mules. some for tech updates and some for GM employees to use

hmm strange...all the pics ive seen and spec sheets that ahve been published say torsion bars, at least for the 4wd trucks. Im not doubting you, its just that Ill beleive it when I see it.

Its ok Dura to the max. They were on 2500HD and a 3500 model. I just thought you guys would like to know. I thought the were going to be torsion bars as well but maybe not?

HD's have been cut off as of last week, no more 800's are being made.

I have a TPW of 10/30 for my Classic. I hope you meant just the orders for them have been cut off...?

I sure hope they surprise us with coil overs. Guys that looked under the HD's at the Texas state fair said they had torsion bars, but now I'm confused.

I sure hope they surprise us with coil overs. Guys that looked under the HD's at the Texas state fair said they had torsion bars, but now I'm confused.
No need to be confused. The GMT900 HDs definitely have torsion bars, not coil overs. Even the mistake in the HD order guides, which originally stated coil-overs, was recently corrected: http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/distupdate.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&vehicleID=4634&daterange=4
Effective 10/16/2006, the following changes will be made to the Vehicle Order Guide:
Mechanical section-Suspension, front independent, changed extended description to read "torsion bar".

No need to be confused. The GMT900 HDs definitely have torsion bars, not coil overs. Even the mistake in the HD order guides, which originally stated coil-overs, was recently corrected: http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/distupdate.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&vehicleID=4634&daterange=4
Effective 10/16/2006, the following changes will be made to the Vehicle Order Guide:
Mechanical section-Suspension, front independent, changed extended description to read "torsion bar".
:exactly:

So when will the first truck be sold?

I would like to get one!!

ok time to set the record strait...they are pilot trucks with pilot 07 duramax motors in them...we are still runing the lbz motor, we are still running pilot motors only about 40 this week..but our change over isnt intil christmas and we need to have a excess of 10k motors to do the change over in flint, so after christmas they will go full blown..there:)

Is the GVWR and GCWR going up with the new trucks?

These GMT-900's had coil overs on front end
:think:
Maybe.

They are going to start building November 16 2006. HD'S and 1 tons that is. I am waiting for the 454 DMAX(7.4L) They have been testing that for 2 years now

They are going to start building November 16 2006. HD'S and 1 tons that is. I am waiting for the 454 DMAX(7.4L) They have been testing that for 2 years now

wow, thats gonna be a nice one.

Dmax Fan; whatch out for the GM and Duramax police........;)

HD's have been cut off as of last week, no more 800's are being made.

This is not accurate. You can still order HD's in all cabs, however the LBZ diesel is a crew cab only option for now until build out. I am ordering a couple diesel crews right now for the dealership, we have 2 chevys and 1 gmc to put in this week, all of which are available with the diesel. Diesels are still constrained, but we have allocation for LBZ on all crew units. :ro)

If you want a diesel reg. cab or ext. cab, you'll need to search dealer lots, as they have already been built out. (cut off for ordering, some orders might still be in process)

redeagle313, what happened to your 06?

My wife is driving it until mid December and then it will be up for sale.

Frame wise i did not notice any difference.

The frame isn't boxed? I saw a new 1/2 ton just the other night, and the GM rep on hand said they'd completely redesigned the frame with a full boxed section.

I've seen no indication that the GMT900 HD frame is fully boxed, and while this doesn't explicitly say that only the front section is fully boxed, their implication seems clear:

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/press_kits/07%20fs%20pickups/hd/07_HD%20Trucks%20Chassis%20Ride.html

Serving as the backbone of the Silverado and Sierra heavy-duty pickups’ strength and capability, the vehicle frame is comprised of a sturdy ladder design that is reinforced with numerous cross braces. It features a segmented design that enables easy and accurate adaptation of numerous lengths to accommodate the trucks’ five wheelbase lengths. The frame sections are joined with strong, welded, overlapping segments that bolster overall strength and rigidity. There are five wheelbase lengths to accommodate the trucks’ broad range of configurations.

The front frame section is constructed of hydroformed side rails; GM pioneered the use of hydroformed frame rails for full-size trucks on the previous-generation vehicles. The process uses highly pressurized fluid – up to 20,000 psi – to shape the frame rails. This provides a strong, more accurate frame section that enables very precise location of suspension components.

The midsection of the frame features a ladder-type design, with strengthening cross braces. The midsection retains the basic configuration of previous models, with minor revisions to accommodate new body mounts and diesel particulate filter equipment. The rear frame section supports the rear leaf spring suspension, axle and trailer hitch platform and, like the midsection, it features strategic cross braces for strength and stiffness.

Here's the best available drawing I've found so far of the new GMT900 HD frame (bottom). It is less detailed than the GMT800 frame drawing (top), but more details should be forthcoming (these are actually from the crossmember section; the frame detail section isn't even in the publication for the 2007 GMT900 HDs yet).

I drove a 3500 srw 4wd z71


1 Ton Z71? Ford has an FX4 off road package on their 3/4 and 1 tons, but I
Chevy hasn't gone that way yet. Does this signal a change for the GMs?

yup they make Z71 hd's now, well not now, but soon

The frame is the same as the 800 , its not boxed nor does it need to be.

yup they make Z71 hd's now, well not now, but soon



We have a 2wd Z71 at the dealership right now. I thought all Z71's were 4wd.... Anybody have any info on that? It was a 1500, i know this is about 2500's but i had to ask. By the way the sticker on this was $37k, the seats were hard and the gauge cluster is the nasty green when you turn the lights on. I'm not impressed.

The order guide doesn't list a "Requires 4WD models" footnote like it normally would if it was 4WD only:

Z71 Suspension Package, Off-Road, includes 1.81" (46 mm) shocks, off-road jounce bumpers, 34mm front stabilizer bar, (K47) high capacity air cleaner, (G80) heavy-duty automatic locking rear differential, (NZZ) Skid Plate Package and Z71 decals on rear quarters
1 - Requires (QJP) P265/70R17 on-/off-road, blackwall tires, (QJM) P265/70R17 on-/off-road, White outlined-letter tires, (QXR) LT45/70R17 all-terrain, blackwall tires, (QXN) P265/65R18 on-/off-road, blackwall tires, or (QXQ) P265/65R18 on-/off-road, White outlined-letter tires. Not available with (PY9) 4 - 17" x 7.5" (43.2 cm x 19.1 cm) 6-lug chrome-styled steel wheels.

but there's this:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/graytabcontroller.jsp?graytabtype=6&rpoid=27707&vehicleid=4212&regionID=1&section=oi_def
(Z71) SUSPENSION SPECIFICATION SPECIFICATIONS CHART
(RPO) Chassis Package Z71 Off-Road
Customer Benefits: Provides for the rigors of off-highway driving. Designed to accommodate large suspension inputs with minimal impact to highway ride and handling. Also, provides chassis component shields. Same load carrying capacity springs as Z83; Increased rate springs, shock absorbers, jounce bumpers and stabilizer bar; Suspension system includes 46-mm front and rear monotube shocks; Includes extensive chassis equipment shields (NZZ); (front underbody, front differential case, 4WD transfer case, fuel tank, engine oil pan) "Z71" decal Heavy duty air cleaner (K47) Wider aspect, aggressive tread tires for maximum traction in loose soil
Model Availability 1500 Series 4WD w/LT Decor

Yes the 900HD's will have as an option of Z71

Talked to the manager from one of my local Dealerships last night...
They told me they just got 3 Brand new 2007 GMC Sierras on the trailer last night.
2 are the sle2's, while one is a SLT with leather fully equiped.

He also told me that they are getting in 7 more new GMC Sierras next week.

He suspected that the HD's will come out sooner than everyone expects, but then again, other people say it will be a while until they appear at dealerships.

Only time will tell I guess.

Im hoping its sooner than later.:driver:

u can argue and speculate all you want im telling ya that there arent gonna be any 07 duramax's out till after the first of the year...i should know:exactly:

If this is any help, I work for AAM on the blue collar side, the manufacture of the drive line under GM's trucks. My plant, Three Rivers, MI., makes the 11 1/2 rear axle for the 2500 HD and the 3500 DRW and SRW trucks and some of the drive shafts. The axle production is getting ready to ramp up to produce 1000, and they hope 1100, units a day. It's set to happen real soon, like at the end of this month. Normal production is around 800 to 900 a day. So the GMT 900 HD truck, production build, is getting ready to launch. We will be under "critical plant status" during the launch. This means forced OT to obtain the needed daily build.

u can argue and speculate all you want im telling ya that there arent gonna be any 07 duramax's out till after the first of the year...i should know:exactly:

Listen to koolz, he is speaking the truth. There will be NO diesel GMT-900 units for sale until mid January. Even then they will only be the regular and extended cab models. The Pontiac, MI plant that builds the HD 3/4 and 1 ton regular and extended cab HD diesels does not build out of the GMT-800 until mid December. They will then have a three to four weeks to finish the plant preparations and they will begin their production of GMT-900's in early to mid January. The Flint, MI plant that builds ALL of the crew cabs does not build out of GMT-800's until February. The earliest that there will be any crew cabs is probably early March of '07.

I agree with KOOLZ & REDEAGLE313, my sources say the same things. FYI, the 2007 trucks will be built till the (900) - new design trucks come out. BOTH WILL BE 2007 models!! This will add to the confusion!! So yopu will have old models & new models both labeled as 2007 trucks. That was what was on the window stickers that i saw at the plant!! Howard

Listen to koolz, he is speaking the truth. There will be NO diesel GMT-900 units for sale until mid January. Even then they will only be the regular and extended cab models. The Pontiac, MI plant that builds the HD 3/4 and 1 ton regular and extended cab HD diesels does not build out of the GMT-800 until mid December. They will then have a three to four weeks to finish the plant preparations and they will begin their production of GMT-900's in early to mid January. The Flint, MI plant that builds ALL of the crew cabs does not build out of GMT-800's until February. The earliest that there will be any crew cabs is probably early March of '07.

thanx redeagle...i know the toils of this huge changeover..at the plant they are laying us off for several weeks to switch from the lbz to the LMM plus with the huge changeover in michigan its gonna take a while to get them going..but when they get running and we get running they will pump em out

I agree with KOOLZ & REDEAGLE313, my sources say the same things. FYI, the 2007 trucks will be built till the (900) - new design trucks come out. BOTH WILL BE 2007 models!! This will add to the confusion!! So you will have old models & new models both labeled as 2007 trucks. That was what was on the window stickers that i saw at the plant!! Howard

This is true to both the GMT 800 and the GMT 900 will be titled as 2007 models. My new truck is a 2007 3500 Classic, on the GMT 800 platform.
I ordered it as soon as I learned about the LBZ changing to LMM in January 2007. The only problem is the ULSD fuel is labeled requierd for 2007 vehicles.
My truck can use LSD fuel legally, as I have no particulate filter. I tell the attendant that it's a 2006.

I agree.

Personally, I dont think they will be out until after January as well.

When I buy my 2007, I dont think I will buy the very first ones that come out either.
I think I will wait just a couple months till after they come out.This way they can work out any bugs that may possibly arrise with the first production trucks.

Production of the HD trucks is supposed to start sometime next month right, or no???

They are going to build the 900HD'S starting nov 16. The LMM will not be avaliable until after the first of the year

They are going to build the 900HD'S starting nov 16. The LMM will not be avaliable until after the first of the year

They may be limited production runs (less than 100 units) of salable vehicles prior to the published model changes at the Pontiac & Flint MI plants (the only ones that build the HD). There will be NO regular production of the GMT-900 HD's prior to mid January of '07.

On Nov 14th the Fort Wayne plant starts it production accelaration on the GMT-900, but that plant builds only light duty trucks (as does Oshawa, Ontario Canada plant).

Thats brutal but if I worked at GM I could have some fun with em before they went to the crusher . I dont think I would make very good CEO I would be out thrashing on test vehicles instead of doing the desk work

They are going to build the 900HD'S starting nov 16. The LMM will not be avaliable until after the first of the year

if that is true, its for the gasser only..u cant make a HD diesel with no motor since its not going to go into production at dmax till after christmas:blahblah:

Stopped by the NC state fair sat. which is in Raleigh, and a dealer had a new -900 2500HD on display. I took some time and looked at some stuff, I wish I would have had a camera w/ me. It should still be there, for any of you NC resisdents to stop by and look at. I layed down and looked underneath and found a frame identical to the 800 that I currently have. Not hardly a change made, the only thing I could find was a place where the particulate filter is located and some different looking body mounts. Torsion bars are back. Really, you could take the body off both trucks and not find a difference in the HD platforms. Everything has been carried over.

what is gm doing i am from n,y, and cant figure out why would they bring out a new 2500 hd in the middle of winter, guys are going to be going full bore with their winter plowing and other activities they should have them out now or wait till the spring, and get guys who work them going

I was talking with my cousin which is an engineer for Dmax and there are going to be 2 different dmaxs for the new 900HD'S. It is going to change twice within like 3 or 4 months. The first being ulsdf and then like 3 months later with all the emission crap on the trucks

I was talking with my cousin which is an engineer for Dmax and there are going to be 2 different dmaxs for the new 900HD'S. It is going to change twice within like 3 or 4 months. The first being ulsdf and then like 3 months later with all the emission crap on the trucks



That sounds very interesting.

Do you know when the first diesel will be out in the new 2007 900 HD's???
Is the first diesel still going to be an LMM, but just with out all the emmissions or what?
How exactly will this work if they change motors twice within 4 months?

I don't know all the details yet but there are suppose to be 2 differnt engine changes within the next like 3 months

I don't know all the details yet but there are suppose to be 2 differnt engine changes within the next like 3 months

untrue..if there is any change its cosmetic only, there is no mechanical change that im aware of

I agree with Koolz, as I looked at a (900) platform at the plant Thursday & looked over the engine. I couldn't find the LMM marking on it,BUT I did see the new filter at the back of the truck.

I layed down and looked underneath and found a frame identical to the 800 that I currently have. Not hardly a change made, the only thing I could find was a place where the particulate filter is located and some different looking body mounts. Torsion bars are back.

So the GVWR and GCVWR are the same as the olds trucks. That's one thing GM is behind Ford on.

I was talking with my cousin which is an engineer for Dmax and there are going to be 2 different dmaxs for the new 900HD'S. It is going to change twice within like 3 or 4 months. The first being ulsdf and then like 3 months later with all the emission crap on the trucks


Are you sure he wasn't referring to the build out of the classics with LBZ and then conversion to LMM? I can't believe there will be 2 different LMM's since the new emissions regulations apply starting Jan. '07.

I can't believe there will be 2 different LMM's since the new emissions regulations apply starting Jan. '07.
Unless you can find some evidence - for example, here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm#DURAMAXDIESEL66LV8TURBO
it shouldn't be believed. I see no corroboration there.
Of course that doesn't mean there won't ever be any mid-year revisions to the LMM.

Next, consider the source:
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362813&postcount=32
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363715&postcount=46
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363717&postcount=47
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364362&postcount=60

Someone is throwing out a lot of BS and untrue info in this thread.

And you'd have to be an idiot to pay 40k for that half-ton on ebay. I'd rather buy 2 used HD D/A trucks for that price.

My neighbour was able to place his order for a 900platform GMC 2500HD/Duramax last Thursday (10/19)

He has been drooling over my truck since he drove it with the predator at level 3.

I didnt tell him that I had to wait almost a year for a programmer:D . Probably wont be that long for the LMM though

interesting, the Allison now (2007+) uses a VBS for converter lockup... :idea:

Unless you can find some evidence - for example, here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm#DURAMAXDIESEL66LV8TURBO
it shouldn't be believed. I see no corroboration there.
Of course that doesn't mean there won't ever be any mid-year revisions to the LMM.

Next, consider the source:
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362813&postcount=32
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363715&postcount=46
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363717&postcount=47
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364362&postcount=60

:exactly:

So the GVWR and GCVWR are the same as the olds trucks. That's one thing GM is behind Ford on.


Yea I'm guessin the numbers are the same, I'm sure someone on here knows for sure. I agree 100% w/ ya, this was a chance for GM to up the stakes a little bit with something totally new and they blew it in my opinion. Really, I don't think that much should have been carried over from the 800 platform, but whatever.


On another note, not pointing any fingers or saying any names, u need to stop w/ the B.S. Your eyes are turning brown.

what is VBS.... the last time i was at VBS, I was at church or Vacation Bible School. LOL

i am telling you what he is telling me. there are suppose to be 2 different engines. he is an engineer for dmax

Unless you can find some evidence - for example, here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm#DURAMAXDIESEL66LV8TURBO
it shouldn't be believed. I see no corroboration there.
Of course that doesn't mean there won't ever be any mid-year revisions to the LMM.

Next, consider the source:
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362813&postcount=32
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363715&postcount=46
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363717&postcount=47
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364362&postcount=60

Good find Elvis, I choose both you and Howard as valuable resources of information and I'm sure others on here would agree.

My apologies if I'm leaving anyone out.

Pete

i am telling you what he is telling me. there are suppose to be 2 different engines. he is an engineer for dmax

Actually there are 4 versions of the LMM Duramax depending on application. They range from 250 to 365 HP.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Diesel/2007_LMM.xls

Now if you're saying that the new HD's will have two different LMM's please provide more detail.

its good that were finally so deep inside gm engineering,that we should be getting alpha and beta trucks ,so we can do the last testing before the genral public gets these trucks,im driving to my shop to see if gm dropped 2-3 trucks off for me yet,,ill get 50-60,000 miles on them by christmas just to help gm out

I ordered an 07 LT1HDCC Classic earlier in the month and just yesterday switched it to an LT2 with no issues. Just delayed the arrival by 2 to 3 weeks according to dealer. Knew we were cutting deadline short but GM rep or whoever he called in Texas said no problem. Might have some delay issues regarding shut down in December.

The ONLY differences in the LMM will be as DMAX Limitied calls it "Programmable, and Interchangable" revisions, such as different programming, intercooler size, cooling system size, just as before with applications from kodiaks to 2500's to express vans. Rest assured that the most powerful offering from the general is going to be in the light duty trucks, 2500 and 3500 trucks. Also in the near future there is only one duramax, the 6.6L, no displacement change, DMAX spent several million dollars to upgrade the 6.6 to be emmision compliant, and also to keep similar tooling procedures so a displacement change would not occur. Also no HD's have coil over springs, all positive resistance torsion bar suspension, and I have been looking and asking and cannot uncover conclusive evidence to say whether there will be a z71 offering in the HD's. There is a lot of WILD untrue rumors flying around here, oh, and dont expect the LMM to get better fuel economy than any previous dmax. With numerous injection events per cycle, the amount of fuel wasted will be higher, also with the more restrictive exhaust and other "upgrades" expect the actual mileage of the LMM's to be LOWER than that of a LBZ, LLY, or epecially and LB7.

Ft. Wayne changes to 900 Nov.13 th.Flint changes over March 13th.Anything from Flint is the 800 model.........JB.

all you guys throwing out half true stuff, with right stuff drives me crazy lol..ur like a pack of wolves over a carcass lol....LMM is going to have roughly a 18 month life cycle...it has 3 applications the gmt 900 the gmt 610 and the gmt 560, all motors are basically all the same expect for some cosmetic changes and different routings for air, ect, depending on the appication and computers...there is no change..just like every other year

I can't remember exactly what websites I read it in, but two different automotive news websites have said that the HD's will have the Z71 Package.

Ya I especially love the dude who said the new LMM will get 23+. What a crock of a Sh*t. LOL that made me spill my chocolate milk :)

I can't remember exactly what websites I read it in, but two different automotive news websites have said that the HD's will have the Z71 Package.

I only included the first paragraph to show it's HD info.

<LI nd="56">All 2500HD and 3500HD models ride on a wide, 68.6-inch (1,742 mm) front track. The rear track on 2500HD trucks is 66 inches (1,676 mm); the rear track on 3500HD models is 74.7 inches (1,897 mm), giving Silverado and Sierra heavy-duty models a firmly planted feel. <LI nd="57">Two suspension packages: Z85 and Z71. The Z85 suspension is standard on 2WD and 4WD models; the Z71 Off Road suspension is optional and includes additional chassis and suspension equipment, including skid plates.

Looks like the they put the Z71 sticker on a bit crooked.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/PerformanceWest/3-2007-2008-chevrolet-silverado-gmc.jpg

...I have been looking and asking and cannot uncover conclusive evidence to say whether there will be a z71 offering in the HD's.

...two different automotive news websites have said that the HD's will have the Z71 Package.
Z71 is listed in the HD ordering guides:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4634&section=oi_def&page=6&butID=3

just got back from a shake down of the first beta to arrive only had a chance to put 10,000 miles on it today,,only makes 692 hp and 998ft of torque,thats a little low so their taking it back to see why its so low,,good thing its muliti fuel so it runs on reg gas,kero or diesel,i got 69mpg's on gas and 107mpg's on diesel,,these things should be really good with these new emmisions on them

Looks like 265's will be an option with the Z71 package, IMO they should be standard equipment, and Z71's should have 285's. On the bright side 265's were not even on option on the 800 HD's, so I guess we better take what we can get.

Looks like 265's will be an option with the Z71 package, IMO they should be standard equipment, and Z71's should have 285's. On the bright side 265's were not even on option on the 800 HD's, so I guess we better take what we can get.
And did you notice that they are actually an inch taller than the 265's we're used too? These are 265/75/17. And the front end looks a little taller to me.

The Z71 package has always been a joke. You go more going with the Heavy Duty Power Package than with the Z71 package. Who cares about 265's being standard either. Chances are they are going to be crappy road tires anyway. 17" rims are nice, but it doesnt say that will be available on HD's.

17" rims are nice, but it doesnt say that will be available on HD's.
That Z71 footnote ("1 - Requires (QIW) LT245/75R16E on-/off-road, blackwall tires or (QXT) LT265/75R17E all-terrain, blackwall tires") was from the GMT900 HD ordering guide:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...page=6&butID=3 (http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4634&section=oi_def&page=6&butID=3)

The tires & wheels are listed here in the GMT900 HD ordering guide:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4634&section=oi_def&page=4&butID=3

just got back from a shake down of the first beta to arrive only had a chance to put 10,000 miles on it today,,only makes 692 hp and 998ft of torque,thats a little low so their taking it back to see why its so low,,good thing its muliti fuel so it runs on reg gas,kero or diesel,i got 69mpg's on gas and 107mpg's on diesel,,these things should be really good with these new emmisions on them


):h This was GOOD LOL

The Z71 package has always been a joke. You go more going with the Heavy Duty Power Package than with the Z71 package. Who cares about 265's being standard either. Chances are they are going to be crappy road tires anyway. 17" rims are nice, but it doesnt say that will be available on HD's.
I've never thought it was all that great either, but there's a lot of people on this site that get their rocks off to those blue and yellow shocks. The 265's probably are crap, but it might be indicative of larger wheel wells in which to actually fit some tires without having to lift it.

Cheyenne,

The last 6 yrs of Z71's I don't think even used Bilsteins. They are some crap red shocks. Like I've always thought, the Z71 package you pay so much for is just for a sticker LOL. And its funny but people actually buy into that.

Well that shows how out of touch I am with half tons. It is mainly a sticker, but if it has better shocks, I'm all for that.

First timer. Great forum. Anyone out there know if GM is going to get with the competition and build a short box 3500 Crew Cab? Thanks.

First timer. Great forum. Anyone out there know if GM is going to get with the competition and build a short box 3500 Crew Cab? Thanks.


Why would they do that...A short bed dually is pointless

Why would they do that...A short bed dually is pointless


I agree, never have liked the look of the ford duallys with a short box.

He might be talkin about a SRW 1 ton like what Ford has.

Will

CC Dually with a long bed and a lift kit with a SFA conversion and of course D/A combo = hottest truck ever

Cheyenne,

The last 6 yrs of Z71's I don't think even used Bilsteins. They are some crap red shocks. Like I've always thought, the Z71 package you pay so much for is just for a sticker LOL. And its funny but people actually buy into that.

To the tune of....people won't buy the trucks w/o the Z71 package. We ordered some w/o it, to cut the price, and the trucks just sat and sat.

I agree that its a joke, but people insist on it. I think the trucks are typecast that they have to be a Z71 to be any good.

First timer. Great forum. Anyone out there know if GM is going to get with the competition and build a short box 3500 Crew Cab? Thanks.

Certainly not a great seller by any stretch... they probably won't follow.

Why would they do that...A short bed dually is pointless

They're really only good for those who are using the trailer hitch to tow a travel trailer, or boat, and don't want the add'l truck length. I agree they are a strange bird.

To the tune of....people won't buy the trucks w/o the Z71 package. We ordered some w/o it, to cut the price, and the trucks just sat and sat.

I agree that its a joke, but people insist on it. I think the trucks are typecast that they have to be a Z71 to be any good.


the shocks are not Bilsteins that is for sure

At least on the SUV (I've got a 2wd Z71 Burb ):h ) you get the rack and body moldings with nerf bars, and a few other doo dads.

Why would they do that...A short bed dually is pointless

I agree that a short bed dually is pointless. My apologies, I just assumed everyone would think SRW, like the other manufacturers produce.

Yea I'm guessin the numbers are the same, I'm sure someone on here knows for sure. I agree 100% w/ ya, this was a chance for GM to up the stakes a little bit with something totally new and they blew it in my opinion.



GM missed the ball.
F250 up to 10,000lbs GVW
F350 SRW up to 11,500 GVW
F350 DRW up to 13,000 GVW
12,500lbs trailer weight from the bumper with 3.73 gear
16,700lbs trailer weight from goose neck with 3.73 gear
23,500lbs GCVWR with 3.73 gear

GM isn't behind too bad on trailer ratings with 3.73 gears.

It's just that Ford offers the 4.10 and 4.30 gears that takes the trailer weights up to 15,000lbs from the bumper and 19,200 on the goose neck with a GCVWR of 26,000lbs.

I know, I know, I overload my truck to and it does just fine. It would have been a great time for GM to up their capacities.

Information brought to you by www.ford.com

That Z71 footnote ("1 - Requires (QIW) LT245/75R16E on-/off-road, blackwall tires or (QXT) LT265/75R17E all-terrain, blackwall tires") was from the GMT900 HD ordering guide:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/dom...page=6&butID=3 (http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4634&section=oi_def&page=6&butID=3)

The tires & wheels are listed here in the GMT900 HD ordering guide:
http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4634&section=oi_def&page=4&butID=3


I noticed that the 17'' wheels are listed as six lug not you typical HD 8 lug.

I noticed that the 17'' wheels are listed as six lug not you typical HD 8 lug.
Incorrectly listed as 6-lug in the 2500HD section. They'll fix it eventually.
The same 17" x 7.5" wheel is listed correctly as 8-lug in the 3500 section. http://eogld.ecomm.gm.com/NASApp/domestic/proddesc.jsp?year=2007&regionID=1&divisionID=1&type=0&vehicleID=4724&section=wheels&page=&butID=4

Going back to the original topic of this thread...


Does anyone know if they have started the Production of the HD's yet now that it is November???

I hope the 2007 Diesels are ready to purchase by January or February, becasue I already sold my 98 SIlverado truck to buy the NEW 2007 body style GMC HD Duramax Diesel.

I miss beating up on the riceburners with a big truck.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1382658&postcount=36
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1384773&postcount=37
'The CC [800]HD will be produced till after the "Christmas Break"
They go down on 12/22/06 & come back on 1/01/07.'
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1384776&postcount=38
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1385250&postcount=39

I wonder when the very first one will hit the dealerships?

I can't wait to see a black CCSB chevy.
I think the aftermarket bumpers for this truck are going to be very bad***, heck , the whole aftermarket for this thing will be sweet.

I can't wait to see a black CCSB chevy.
I think the aftermarket bumpers for this truck are going to be very bad***, heck , the whole aftermarket for this thing will be sweet.

A big push bumper would look awesome on a new body style GMC! :)

Are we still looking at late Jan. mid Feb. for the body to hit??? I wanna get my hands on one, ASAP. Lift is sitting here and tire and wheel a phone call away....

Are we still looking at late Jan. mid Feb. for the body to hit??? I wanna get my hands on one, ASAP. Lift is sitting here and tire and wheel a phone call away....


I will be the first one to call you when I get my new 2007 Duramax LMM.
;)

Ill be getting a Black 2500 HD 4-door 4WD SLT Fully Loaded! Ill be interested in the CST 9-11 with the Dual Shock setup in front with Dual Resivoired 2.0 FOx's.

Hope you get one in soon. Please post the pics right away!

DO you think tire/wheel fitment will be the same as the Current 2006 and earlier HD Duramax Trucks?
The lift and suspension should be the same as well right? Thats what Ive heard it would be. Also, with the new body on the CST 9-11 inch lift, what size tire do you recommned, 37 or 38 inches, and what height do you recommend setting the front at with a nice ride still?

Thanks man!

1sic250. I am in the same boat, we are awaiting our first here as well. Allready ordered, black on black. Lift is here collecting dust, 24's and 37's are just waiting for oem T.P.M.S. sensors to come out of the stockers. Sold unit, customer is bugging me daily for an update, cant say i blame him!! Marc

Last week my mom was out driving around Hickory, NC doing some Christmas shopping and saw an HD Chevy. I told her that there was no way, but after showing her some pictures with the differences between the LD's and HD's she said she was sure. It had the huge wrap around chrome bumper on it. My guess is that it was just a test unit.

I toured the Flint assmebly plant today and learned a couple of things.
The "classic" GMT800 is still in production.
They are still making pilot trucks (Iwas told they made 9 today and I saw a few of them)
According to the tour person the six speed manual is all but gone. He commented that the area where the few they had were sitting, would be removed. They seemed happy to be done with them.
One of the pilots was an LTZ Chevy with the D-max. The wheels were much nicer and looked more like the 1/2 ton. They looked to be around 265-75-17, we werent able to get close but they were noticeably larger than the 245's on the classics.
The exhaust has a cat almost twice the length of the current one
The tailpipe is very large and flares at the end, it exits at about 45 deg from the back and side right under the right bumper. I saw a stack of these exhausts in a rack and they are much different than the current model. The pipe is the same size till just rear of the axle, there the 3 1/2 part ends and another larger diameter piece is welded to it with an air gap all the way around it, sort of a venturi type effect. The 3 1/2 portion extands into the larger dia section by a few inches. My best guess would be that they are trying to put air into the exhaust stream ?
My son and I were at the end of the group, when we got to the section where the pilots were off to the side we noticed there were a dozen or so people hovering around them (all dressed nice like engineers or execs)
When the other tour guide noticed us eyeballing the trucks we were rushed forward to keep up with the rest of the group. It seemed obvious that he knew I was very interested in the trucks and knew what I was looking at.
It was a great experience all the way around.

They also told us that they would not be in production until late February.

BTW if you have a red D-max dually ordered it looked really sweet !

Scott

I toured the Flint assmebly plant today and learned a couple of things.
The "classic" GMT800 is still in production.
They are still making pilot trucks (Iwas told they made 9 today and I saw a few of them)
According to the tour person the six speed manual is all but gone. He commented that the area where the few they had were sitting, would be removed. They seemed happy to be done with them.
One of the pilots was an LTZ Chevy with the D-max. The wheels were much nicer and looked more like the 1/2 ton. They looked to be around 265-75-17, we werent able to get close but they were noticeably larger than the 245's on the classics.
The exhaust has a cat almost twice the length of the current one
The tailpipe is very large and flares at the end, it exits at about 45 deg from the back and side right under the right bumper. I saw a stack of these exhausts in a rack and they are much different than the current model. The pipe is the same size till just rear of the axle, there the 3 1/2 part ends and another larger diameter piece is welded to it with an air gap all the way around it, sort of a venturi type effect. The 3 1/2 portion extands into the larger dia section by a few inches. My best guess would be that they are trying to put air into the exhaust stream ?
My son and I were at the end of the group, when we got to the section where the pilots were off to the side we noticed there were a dozen or so people hovering around them (all dressed nice like engineers or execs)
When the other tour guide noticed us eyeballing the trucks we were rushed forward to keep up with the rest of the group. It seemed obvious that he knew I was very interested in the trucks and knew what I was looking at.
It was a great experience all the way around.

They also told us that they would not be in production until late February.

BTW if you have a red D-max dually ordered it looked really sweet !

Scott

Thanks for that! That fits in with what my local dealer told me today about the production start up date - he said February, but didn't say what part of February. So if it's late February, delivery won't likely be before early April, at best, maybe late April if it takes more than 6 weeks, unfortunately.

Thanks for that! That fits in with what my local dealer told me today about the production start up date - he said February, but didn't say what part of February. So if it's late February, delivery won't likely be before early April, at best, maybe late April if it takes more than 6 weeks, unfortunately.

Mine took 3 days to get to the dealer, but my dealer is only 8 miles North of the plant.

Mine took 3 days to get to the dealer, but my dealer is only 8 miles North of the plant.

Must be nice :) But then, you got all that snow to deal with ;)

This is what I posted on 12/14/9:00 AM under "New vehicle Info!"

Confusis say: man who talks to horse gets facts straight from the horses mouth. Otherwise, it from the other end of horse= B/S. FYI, the crew cabs are set to finish building the week of 2/05/2007. This would be "2007 Classics." They will be shut down for makeover till 2/26/2007. When they come back, it will be building the "900" 2007 trucks with the new emmisions. Checked to see what Pontiac East is doing. They will be shut down all next week learning the "TEAM" concept & then go on the Christmas break. After that, they are going to school the week after the Christmas Break. No word on what they will be building? Howard

...Yeah they can go up to 30mpg....

Sure thing....... and I know a guy in Nevada that has some beach front property for sale!

Raising the power levels without dramatically reducing the overall vehicle weight will not provide significant mileage increases. Like others have said, these trucks have the aerodynamics of a small building. Sure, it may get 30mpg or more on a 6% downgrade and a tailwind. But, how long can those conditions exist?

Must be nice :) But then, you got all that snow to deal with ;)



all things considered I would rather have to wait a few weeks for a new truck than have to put up with another winter.

A page or two ago there was a tire debate...the following I captured from the hi-res pics that were in a link on the forum somewhere. It's not the best angle I had to work with but it clearly says LT265/70R17 for the 2500HD, and LT215/85R16 for the dually.

Now according to Goodyear an LT245/75R16 is 30.5" tall, and an LT265/70R17 is 30.6" tall. I pulled that from the specs on an MT/R, I think. The tires pictured, the SR-As don't even have LT265/70R17 listed yet. They do have an LT235/80R17 listed which is a nice 31.8" tall tire, now why couldn't GM go with that?

There is still time to order a classic, the 1/2 tons are being produced now. the half tons are made right off of I-69, just south of Ft. Wayne. My uncle already has a few on his lot. They are pretty nice, but I like the looks of my '06 HD much better

Here are the 2007 build dates:

Silverado GMT900 1500 Reg Cab 11/21/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Ext Cab 10/16/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Crew Cab 10/02/06
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Reg & ExtCab 01/22/07
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Crew Cab 02/26/07


You can see all this information at this link ive posted:

https://www.wheels.com/fleet/reference/ordering2007/2007StartupDates_USA.asp



Hopefully they end building the 07 classic already so they can start building the new GMT900's for us to buy very soon.


While the 06 and older body is cool, after this many years of the round body, its about time for a change.

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http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5097/0720sierrahd12pk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Everyday, I hear more and more people getting excited about the Tough looking new body 07 HD's coming out. Especially the new GMC's.


Still cant wait to get my 07 Sierra HD LMM!
:D

Here are the 2007 build dates:

Silverado GMT900 1500 Reg Cab 11/21/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Ext Cab 10/16/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Crew Cab 10/02/06
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Reg & ExtCab 01/22/07
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Crew Cab 02/26/07


You can see all this information at this link ive posted:

https://www.wheels.com/fleet/reference/ordering2007/2007StartupDates_USA.asp



Hopefully they end building the 07 classic already so they can start building the new GMT900's for us to buy very soon.


While the 06 and older body is cool, after this many years of the round body, its about time for a change.

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Everyday, I hear more and more people getting excited about the Tough looking new body 07 HD's coming out. Especially the new GMC's.


Still cant wait to get my 07 Sierra HD LMM!
:D

I sure hope that schedule holds! I've been wavering back & forth between the 900's and 800's, mainly over the prices - the great prices right now on the 800's vs the unknown prices on the 900's. And yeah, I know we have Edmunds, but I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth. Plus my GMSD expires end of April. Atleast the reg cabs will be among the 1st built.

But looking at those two pics, the new style looks more truck-like with the top of the grill higher than the headlights.

This is what I posted on 12/14/9:00 AM under "New vehicle Info!"

Confusis say: man who talks to horse gets facts straight from the horses mouth. Otherwise, it from the other end of horse= B/S. FYI, the crew cabs are set to finish building the week of 2/05/2007. This would be "2007 Classics." They will be shut down for makeover till 2/26/2007. When they come back, it will be building the "900" 2007 trucks with the new emmisions. Checked to see what Pontiac East is doing. They will be shut down all next week learning the "TEAM" concept & then go on the Christmas break. After that, they are going to school the week after the Christmas Break. No word on what they will be building? Howard

May they be building the 900 reg cabs/ext cabs right after that! :)

I sat in a couple of the new 900s one of the CC/SB K1500s, it was an LTZ or whatever the deluxe one is (no more LT3 from what I hear). I like the center console, it's got a power point in it now; very handy IMHO. Just about the only thing this didn't have was a sunroof or the nav radio. The seats were decent enough, I didn't get that much of a feel, I was scoping out the buttons. The really NEAT feature was the dual glovebox storage area, two lids.

The other I sat in was like an LS or LT2, the non-leather with work-truck dash and 60/40 bench. I almost would rather have this one. I really dig the classic dash lines and the way the plainer truck was laid out. The console in that one was sweet, the armrest had storage; then flip it up and below that, the center seat section was another storage area. That lower storage area had a power point in it too. Only thing that it lacked for me was a rubber floor, this one was carpeted.

Both of the trucks I sat in were not equipped with the new Hydramatic six speeds yet. I can't remember when the guy said those would be available. Oh, he knew the mainstream production of the 900-HDs to start around January 20th still.

Here are the 2007 build dates:

Silverado GMT900 1500 Reg Cab 11/21/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Ext Cab 10/16/06
Silverado GMT900 1500 Crew Cab 10/02/06
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Reg & ExtCab 01/22/07
Silverado GMT900 2500 / 3500 Crew Cab 02/26/07

Notice they build the CC-1500s with their barely usable bed length first for all the soccer moms and in-town grocery getter pick-ups. :rolleyes: No offense to anyone who owns one; I just have a fullsize crossover toolbox and 100 gal tank to fit in a bed, and I'd like some space after that.

So whats the story on the LBZ being produced after 1/1/07? Are they going to be putting the LBZ in trucks up until 2/26/07?

Unless you can find some evidence - for example, here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/07truck.htm#DURAMAXDIESEL66LV8TURBO
it shouldn't be believed. I see no corroboration there.
Of course that doesn't mean there won't ever be any mid-year revisions to the LMM.

Next, consider the source:
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362813&postcount=32
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363715&postcount=46
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1363717&postcount=47
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364362&postcount=60

):h

4 pages and no credulous info:mad:

Looks like 265's will be an option with the Z71 package, IMO they should be standard equipment, and Z71's should have 285's. On the bright side 265's were not even on option on the 800 HD's, so I guess we better take what we can get.
I guess your correct 265's were not a option on 2500HD but they have been standard on 3500 SRW for a few years now.

When you guys say 800's. what r u talking about???

URR!!

mr. gm

When you guys say 800's. what r u talking about???

URR!!

mr. gm



LOL. Its ok mr GM.

What they mean by 800's is the GMT800, (the older body style truck), compared to the new 900's, or the 2007 GMT900, (new body style trucks).

The GMT900's are the New body style trucks you are starting to see.;)

So whats the story on the LBZ being produced after 1/1/07? Are they going to be putting the LBZ in trucks up until 2/26/07?

I hope so since I ordered mine on 11/10 and it has a TPW of 01/08/07.

GMCJOE, The "900" series trucks that you are seeing are 1500 1/2 ton pickups. The "900 HDs, IF you have seen any, they are pilots that have been seen by a few people. Pontiac East- Extended Cab & Regular Cab - will be building the HDs after they return tomorrow. I will let you know if they are building D/A as well. Flint = Crew Cabs - according to my sources will be building "800" trucks till 1/5/07 & then will shut down for 2 weeks (1/22) to do the make overs neccesary for the "900" trucks.
underPSI - I will call tomorrow & let you know about your "BABY?" Howard

GMCJOE, The "900" series trucks that you are seeing are 1500 1/2 ton pickups. The "900 HDs, IF you have seen any, they are pilots that have been seen by a few people. Pontiac East- Extended Cab & Regular Cab - will be building the HDs after they return tomorrow. I will let you know if they are building D/A as well. Flint = Crew Cabs - according to my sources will be building "800" trucks till 1/5/07 & then will shut down for 2 weeks (1/22) to do the make overs neccesary for the "900" trucks.
underPSI - I will call tomorrow & let you know about your "BABY?" Howard

That's great news!

Up to 30mpg at 67mph on flat land.

I have only read a few pages of this thread and many of you are getting awful excited over high mpg.

Given all that has already been communicated about the differences beween the new and old engine/emissions design, and given the fact the new fuel will have less BTUs per gallon, explain to me in technical terms where all the great increase in mileage will come from?

:rolleyes:

ask most of these guys with power programers how they are making more hp and getting better MPG's. It's better programming, it is not that complicated.

ask most of these guys with power programers how they are making more hp and getting better MPG's. It's better programming, it is not that complicated.







:exactly:

I drove past the GM plant again today and I saw a ton of Kodiaks and Top Kicks and GMT-800's. I didn't see any 900's. Howver on my way back to Detroit in the afternoon I did see a GMC 900 HD, Ext. Cab Long Beb, Black with a gas motor in it. That HD GMC grill really stands out on the highway.

I drove past the GM plant again today and I saw a ton of Kodiaks and Top Kicks and GMT-800's. I didn't see any 900's. Howver on my way back to Detroit in the afternoon I did see a GMC 900 HD, Ext. Cab Long Beb, Black with a gas motor in it. That HD GMC grill really stands out on the highway.



Can you please get us some photos of the new 900 HD's next time you pass there???

Especially the GMC HD's! I would love to see more real life photos of them since Im definately getting one.:rolleyes:

Thanks man!:D

I will be going into the plant on the 18th, if not sooner. I will use up a disposable camera for you guys. Will send to some by email, any volunteers? I guess I need to figure out how to take pics. with my phone,hugh? Howard

Send em my way Howard Ill resize them for ya.

wbens@aol.com

Will

Went to the Landscape Ontario show yesterday, and didn't bring a camera. I wish I had, because I sure wasn't expecting to see an 08 2500HD ext. cab s/box SLT Z71 with the LMM/Ally.

What a beautiful truck! Very impressive quality, interior, and overall very nicely styled. No pricing information was made available. I definitely see a big improvement with the packaging on the new truck. The powertrain - I guess we'll wait and see.

By comparison, new '08 Ford SD were also there - definitely trying to push the envelope styling ways. Not my taste - I like the current ofering better. And I pitty the tech that gets to work on the 6.4 TT PStroke - there is no room under that hood!

Cool maybe the Montreal Auto Show will have the new HD there too!

Howard
My order for my 900 2500HD Dmax CC was accepted into the order system 1/4/2007 per my Chevy dealer. When do I need to get in touch with you about the gmsd?
Looking forward to actual photos!
PJ

anytime in Late Feb. will be alright as they won't be starting the building of the CREW CABS till the 26Th. Don't forget to give me the S.O.N. when you get it so we can do "My Magic??" Howard

anytime in Late Feb. will be alright as they won't be starting the building of the CREW CABS till the 26Th. Don't forget to give me the S.O.N. when you get it so we can do "My Magic??" Howard



Hey Howard, how much of a GM discount can you get usually? Ive seen a few posts on the GM family and emplyee pricing thing, but ive never really seen how much of a discount people usually get.
How much off do you think you can obtain from a new 07 GMC SIerra 2500 HD LMM??

Thanks!

I hate to use percent figures as the numbers charged awhile back. We used to get 15% off of MSRP & 18% off of options. Supplier Discount was 12% off of MSRP & 15% off of options. You can go to a dealership & pretend to like a vehicle & ask to see the invoice. GMS= MY COST is listed. After that, GMSD = the Supplier discount is listed below that. Same as you people, we get the rebates also & anything else that is out there. Howard

For the employee discount (GMS), the new percentages for the new 2007 900 series trucks seems to be 11% off of MSRP (for the base truck) and 20% off of options. (The pricing has been buried in the GMFAMILYFIRST website for several weeks.).

Thats the lowest discount off of the base truck that I have ever seen for the employee discount.

Can you give a link or heading for the GMS price in the gmfamily first website? I'm familiar with the website(I check it every few days) but haven't seen priceing on the gmt900 hd's.
Dave

Davecharles - After logging into the GMFAMILYFIRST.com website (need user name and password), in the menu to the left titled "New Vehicle Purchase", select "Pricing". This will take you to another webpage. On this webpage (in the middle of the page), select "gmpricing.com". At this website, select "chevrolet" and then use the pull-down menu's to select 2007 Silverado 2500HD etc. Make sure you do not select the 2007 "Classic" model.

Do you have to be a GM employee to login/register? I have a GMSD # from Howard who told me about that site, but I can't login or register.

Davecharles - After logging into the GMFAMILYFIRST.com website (need user name and password), in the menu to the left titled "New Vehicle Purchase", select "Pricing". This will take you to another webpage. On this webpage (in the middle of the page), select "gmpricing.com". At this website, select "chevrolet" and then use the pull-down menu's to select 2007 Silverado 2500HD etc. Make sure you do not select the 2007 "Classic" model.

You have to be a GM employee to login/regiser,BUT you don't have to login/register to build a vehicle & see what the GMSD PRICE is going to be. Howard

Hopefully GM engineered the new one to accept 8 foot and bigger plows on extended and CC Duramax's without exceeding the GVWR. :rolleyes:

My understanding is that GM didnt up the FAWRs on the newer trucks so there is still no plow prep package on cc/diesel trucks. Looks like its going to be just like the GMT-800s

Correct..We are still in the same boat as the 800's. No plow prep on CC diesels and IIRC EC/LB trucks.:mad:

You would think GM would correct the problem seeing that Ford has. Suspension wise that is....

You would think GM would correct the problem seeing that Ford has. Suspension wise that is....

Ah yes but that would make sence now wouldnt it?

Hi guys, im new to the form and from Canada. Up here I placed a order for a 2007 new body style LMM with every option available with a receive date of march 15/07. Im getting nervous hearing that there might be a change to twin turbos for 08, and a different motor for 08, are these rumors? Can anyone give me some advice? I have the full prep sheet on the truck with no vin # and haven’t placed a deposit yet! Nobody at the dealers can give me any info. I own a chassis dyno facility and I would like a good platform to build on!!

I seriously dought there will be any changes not till 09 or maybe even 2010 at least I hope not.Hi guys, im new to the form and from Canada. Up here I placed a order for a 2007 new body style LMM with every option available with a receive date of march 15/07. Im getting nervous hearing that there might be a change to twin turbos for 08, and a different motor for 08, are these rumors? Can anyone give me some advice? I have the full prep sheet on the truck with no vin # and haven’t placed a deposit yet! Nobody at the dealers can give me any info. I own a chassis dyno facility and I would like a good platform to build on!!