Can anyone tell me what warranty (if any) MBRP offers on their 409 and 304 exhaust systems?





What warranties do Banks and Magnaflow offer?





thanks

David


You'll find most SS systems as Aluminized are the same as Banks (below) Warranty ....






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Mac

Fishing expedition???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

Fishing expedition???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





Nah !!!! Hunting





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

stackin up the competitionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Getting ready for the kill....Group hug. STAB STAB http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Did we ever get replied on the Borla kit price (and how to find it in the website)? I still can't find anything on it...T

And the point of this thread is????


Doesn't this seem a little weird?. What motivates the Marketing Director of a corporation large enough to sponsor Arie Luyendyk jr. for the 2004 IRL season to troll on a diesel forum.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


David, the answers to your questions are on each manufacturer's website. But you already knew that didn't youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


People never cease to amaze me.


regards all

And the point of this thread is????


Doesn't this seem a little weird?. What motivates the Marketing Director of a corporation large enough to sponsor Arie Luyendyk jr. for the 2004 IRL season to troll on a diesel forum.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


David, the answers to your questions are on each manufacturer's website. But you already knew that didn't youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


People never cease to amaze me.


regards all








Free exposer and your right ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

David Borla didn't realize he was suppose to post this thread under an alternate screen identity. Then he would have slithered under the radar.


Learn how to play the game. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Hey David get on he vendors list so all can see what you got, if it's like the rest of your products it will sell.


Geno

He doesn't seem too fond of replies or general info thus far. Just questions, then?.?.?.?.?. I'm real curious about the stainless 4" down pipe, and compatibility to stock pipe (and of course all the others that bolt onto the stock pipe). Still can't find anything on it. Google can't even find anything on it for Gods sake, and he's been pretty good on this D-Max stuff, thus far...T

He PM'd me and said it is not on their web site yet and won't be ready for sale for about 2 weeks.

This guy is a pimp. You kinda get the feeling he thinks his sh-t don't stink. He is doing us all a favor posting his arrogance here . He is pumping us for other vendors info when he allready knows it. I think it's time for Mac to do his thing.


mike

Boy you guys are hard on people. I am sure someone like Borla wouldn't mind paying the advertising fees here given the chance. Perhaps he is new to forums and didn't know better. Cut a guy some slack. Edited by: Max Power

methinks its a joke

David ~ don't hit n run. Step down into the parlor ~ pull up a keybrd and sit a spell http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

david borla,


Well you stirred the stick around here didn't you!!! Anyway we appreciate the plug for MBRP, we are the largest distributor here in the good ole USA so well take any plug we can get, intended or not!!!


The warranties are as follows:


aluminized 1 year


T-409 5 years


T-304 Lifetime


All of these are to the original owner that sends in their warranty card.


Mark @ DPPI

you really should already know that about your competition.Fishin expedition huh?.personally, you guys are way late into the perfomance game with regard to diesel.There are plenty of exhaust choices out there and your higher end companies like Banks,Magnaflow etc own this market.

This is kinda fun http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


MB

Now in fairness, do we really know that this is/was David Borla???

Thats why I was asking on the vendors forum how much it costs to be in there.He can't be that cheap!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


Blake

Do you think it was truly David Borla himself? Looking at his website and indication his is an old but huge firm I question that he himself is doing this. Could it be an inexperienced employee trying to do the job/learn the ropes and truly unaware? Like Max suggested cutting him some slack and pointing him to the moderators/administrator.

Exposure? Letting the market know, he's in it?

If you have the money to do what they do, then you have the brains to not do stupid stuff. The last thing a good company wants is bad press.


I think that this guy is a Troll. He reminds me of the Wendy's burger guy. You know, the guy that boasts about the Wendy's bargans and better food, eventhough he doesn't work there.


However, he may be the real deal... If he is, he needs to get some coffee. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





Burner

he is the real david Borla,son of Alex Borla.He does ALOT of this stuff on the web on various forums.Always shopping the internet trying to get information.I have seen him post on some import sites as well when I was into that stuff back in the day.Troll would be a good way to describe this

Thanks for all of your help guys. Sorry if some of you disagree with my methods. I guess different markets react differently. Most of the time I get a very positive response and enthusiasts are happy to have an opportunity to communicate directly with a manufacturer (even if they just want to hate us). More often than not, we have been able to produce better products for enthusiasts by listening to their suggestions. As a matter of fact, I have received many thank you emails for being sensitive enough to the needs of enthusiasts to ask for their input.


I can see why the founders and administrators of this site want us to pay them and I fully respect that. I can also see why competitors would dislike my presence and I don't blame them. But all others have nothing to lose by me being a part of this forum. At the very least it gives you a chance to flame me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ouch.gif


Anyhow, I am really David Borla and for better or worse I'll never post under another identity (eventhough others have falsely posted under my name). You can email me at davidb@borla.com if you want to be sure it's me.


As far as the questions regarding our products, I have to wait until I finalize our vendor agreement with this forum.





Thanks again.Edited by: david borla

David Borla didn't realize he was suppose to post this thread under an alternate screen identity. Then he would have slithered under the radar.


Learn how to play the game. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif











Thanks for the suggestion but it's not my style.








Edited by: david borla

david borla


Welcome. I think you could have used a better approach on your first posts in all the forums. I think a lot of us have used your products in the past.


mike

david borla


Welcome. I think you could have used a better approach on your first posts in all the forums. mike








Fair enough.

And the point of this thread is????


Doesn't this seem a little weird?. What motivates the Marketing Director of a corporation large enough to sponsor Arie Luyendyk jr. for the 2004 IRL season to troll on a diesel forum.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


David, the answers to your questions are on each manufacturer's website. But you already knew that didn't youhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif


People never cease to amaze me.


regards all











Wow! You sure know a lot about Borla. You are the first enthusiast to mention Arie Jr. Are you in the automotive industry?


Thank you for crediting Borla as a "large" company but in fact we are a small family owned and operated aftermarket exhaust manufacturer. The fact that we've been around for 26 years and have a good reputation does not mean that we are large, and the sponsorship for Arie Jr. is negligable compared to what it costs for Mario Andretti and Ivan Stewart.





As far as my motivation, I value and respect the opinions of the members of this forum. In fact, I trust their knowledge and opinions more than any information I can get from a competitors website because I believe that their opinions are unbiased and come from real hands-on experience. I want to know how the members of this forum feel about diesel exhaust so we can cater our products to fit their exact needs. Tell us what you want and we'll do our best to build it for you. Or, tell us what you don't like and we'll try to improve upon it.


Edited by: david borla

Nice recovery.

Also point to make is the free exposure. We all fell for it too. Look at the number of hits.

I don't know if it matters for performance and or sound tones but see if you can have a full single or dual system.(If the duals will fit) in 5" with 4" downpipe. I would want to hear the exhaust somewhat but not pullmeover loud. I'm not very diesel smart yet, if the 5" isn't right but I'm sure the downpipe might help flow some. Do diesel need any backpressure? Somebody told me they do so the turbo can spool up

david borla wrote:


Wow! You sure know a lot about Borla. You are the first enthusiast to mention <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Arie</st1:GivenName> <st1:nameSuffix>Jr.</st1:nameSuffix></st2:PersonName> Are you in the automotive industry? <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Broadcasting actually, we manufactured the camera cables used by all the CART teams for their in-car cameras during the 2003 season. I also own your product.[/B]



As far as my motivation, I value and respect the opinions of the members of this forum. In fact, I trust their knowledge and opinions more than any information I can get from a competitors website because I believe that their opinions are unbiased and come from real hands-on experience. I want to know how the members of this forum feel about diesel exhaust so we can cater our products to fit their exact needs. Tell us what you want and we'll do our best to build it for you. Or, tell us what you don't like and we'll try to improve upon it. <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Mike</st1:GivenName> <st1:Sn>L.</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName>’s post was correct; you just went about it the wrong way. Your question was about mfg's warranty and was an obvious attempt for you to refer to your million mile warranty.

At least for those of us on the west coast a lifetime or million mile warranty on a stainless or aluminized diesel exhaust system doesn't mean squat.

Yeah, its just a fishin' expedition for you.it is no secret that several of your former employees now work for the competition and that would seem logical why you would come on the board looking for information.Loss of market share?..nobody here will really question the quality of Borla stuff,only your motives for gathering info.The high performance diesel market is pretty saturated now with exhaust systems.Personally,you guys should stick to what you normally do.cat backs,headers etc for gas powered vehicles.I think you will have a rough time doing well in this arena so late in the game.Granted companies like Banks,MBRP etc also build products for Gas vehicles and do well at it (I have some Banks jeep stuff and it is awesome),but their CORE market is diesel performance.Stay within your niche' and you will do ok.If you want to expand into other markets,you got to get up pretty early!

jeepinfun,


EXTREMELY well said, with responses like that you could be in politics!! Thanks for your thoughts.


Mark @ DPPI

Personally I don't get too wrapped up in the details of how a vendor conducts business on this board......what I tend to look at is how awesome it is to have a board where the vendor comes to us.....the consumer.


When you walk into your "parts store" and look at Borla or DPPI, Banks or any other vendors parts that visits us here, you can say that you gave your $.02 to the company that built that part. In the past we had no access to David Borla, or anyone at the other Mfg's. At best you got the customer service rep.





I just think it's great to belong to a forum that has an actual influence in the market.


You build what we want and you will make money........market economy at it's finest! We are the market......we all have an illness that makes us spend ungodly amounts of money on our beloved duramax.


I say WELCOME David Borla.......now if we could just get a fuel company rep to boil us some decent fuel.................

Believe me I am not trying to stab the guy or anything and we are all here for the same purpose.But, when you pose a question line that initially,you are obviously only looking for one thing

Yeah, its just a fishin' expedition for you.it is no secret that several of your former employees now work for the competition and that would seem logical why you would come on the board looking for information.Loss of market share?..nobody here will really question the quality of Borla stuff,only your motives for gathering info.The high performance diesel market is pretty saturated now with exhaust systems.Personally,you guys should stick to what you normally do.cat backs,headers etc for gas powered vehicles.I think you will have a rough time doing well in this arena so late in the game.Granted companies like Banks,MBRP etc also build products for Gas vehicles and do well at it (I have some Banks jeep stuff and it is awesome),but their CORE market is diesel performance.Stay within your niche' and you will do ok.If you want to expand into other markets,you got to get up pretty early!





Though I'm a little suspicious of the motivation for your negativity (you know an awful lot about Banks) I will dignify your statement with a response.


There has never been any question that I am on this board for one reason only. I am here to gather information on diesel exhaust from the most important source there is.... the end user. I want to know what you guys like and don't like about current diesel exhaust products (Banks, Gibson, MBRP etc.) so we can offer a product tailor made to your needs.


I am here to get feedback from you guys on what you want from a diesel exhaust. We will offer you guys a great product and the choice is yours. Very simple and there's nothing underhanded about it. On the contrary it's a straightforward no B.S. approach which many enthusiasts appreciate.


I can't see why anyone would have a problem with this unless you are another exhaust manufacturer (once again you mention Banks many times).


As far as your statement about our employees, yes, on a regular basis competitors offer our employees employment in the hopes of learning something about us. It's a very sincere form of flattery and it comes with the territory. It has been happening for over twenty years and as long as we build great products it will continue to happen. There must be fifty people working for exhaust competitors who learned the ropes from us.


As far as your statement regarding market share, it's hard to understand. Considering we've never had products to offer this market, we have no market share to lose.


Mostly, I'd like to know why you are so adamant about flaming us. What do you have to lose?


Why wouldn't you want to have direct interaction with the management of manufacturers whose products might be of interest to you? There's no downside. Even if you hate the products it gives you a chance to voice your opinion.

Edited by: david borla

Personally I don't get too wrapped up in the details of how a vendor conducts business on this board......what I tend to look at is how awesome it is to have a board where the vendor comes to us.....the consumer.


When you walk into your "parts store" and look at Borla or DPPI, Banks or any other vendors parts that visits us here, you can say that you gave your $.02 to the company that built that part. In the past we had no access to David Borla, or anyone at the other Mfg's. At best you got the customer service rep.





I just think it's great to belong to a forum that has an actual influence in the market.


You build what we want and you will make money........market economy at it's finest! We are the market......we all have an illness that makes us spend ungodly amounts of money on our beloved duramax.


I say WELCOME David Borla.......now if we could just get a fuel company rep to boil us some decent fuel.................








Amen brother! And thank you.





Edited by: david borla

David,


SO THEN - you've stated why you're here - lets get to it.


What is the timeframe for Borla to have a product available??


I've got a brand new (2500 miles) LLY 2500HD CC, that's just aching for some mods. I've got to admit - due to the feedback I've heard on this board, I'm going with:


- an Edge Juice w/attitude


- an AFE Stage 2 intake


- probably an MBRP 4" SS from DPPI


I already know MBRP builds a fantastic product. I already know DPPI will give me a great price/information/support. Is this all talk to create buzz about "Borla" or do you actually have wares to peddle? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


You could've gotten the information you're looking for by actually reading the posts in these forums. I know that I sure did.


You want to hear from your customers? Here is what a potential customer might say: "what have you got?"

Some people on here.....and I will not mention any names...need to just chill out. I get tired of people just lacing into people for no reason. If the way he conducts business bothers you simply don't buy the product. That simple. To say he is to late to the market makes me laugh....Everybody and anybody is one great product away from being on top, that simple. Lets see what borla can come up with, what can it hurt...nothing.

i am looking for an exhaust system that is fairly quiet. the main reason for me looking to install an aftermarket exhaust is to lower egt's. i also would like to see a tailpipe that looks trick without a chrome tip. my buddy just bought a new 600 dodje and it has a very nice looking tailpipe from the factory. some tailpipes look too universal if you know what i mean. just my .02, wil.

[QUOTE=jeepinfun]There has never been any question that I am on this board for one reason only. I am here to gather information on diesel exhaust from the most important source there is.... the end user. I want to know what you guys like and don't like about current diesel exhaust products (Banks, Gibson, MBRP etc.) so we can offer a product tailor made to your needs.





I have the newest release of the Banks Monster exaust.


Likes.


1. Liked fit and ease of instalation.


2. like the sound 99.9% of the time. .01%=1675 RPM exaust resonance.


3. Initial pricing was good. around 550.00


4. Kick ass 5" polished tip supplied with kit.





Dislikes.


1. Less than 6 months old and it is covered with tiny rust spots that appear to be getting larger. Stock exaust has been sitting out back on the ground and still no rust or deterioation at all.


2. No off the shelf company offers a true turbo back exaust. only head pipe back.


3. Cheap clamps supplyed with kit. Have some leaks. Will need to retighten or replace with large clamps.


4. Are you a supporting vendor here yet?


Edited by: Bronco

I believe the Banks rep who posts here would be PETERT...! look him up,he posts here alot!.As I said before ,I have nothing negative to say against borla ,its products or the like.Market share is simple...Of course you would like to enter a market that you have not been in before and take some of the pie...Simple!...any manufacturer would like to to that to its competition.


If you lose your employees to your competition that would indicate to me atleast that they have offered that employee something that your company can't or won't offer.That is part of every business sure,but it almost seems as though by your response you take it with a "grain of salt"?...Whatever, it is really a moot point I guess and in fact I was pretty happy with your product I had on an old "Z" car back in the day.I hope you guys do offer some good products for us here as well as the rest of the diesel community

If he does offer diesel product ~ would be nice if he lists them in a dedicated section of his website. I gave up rather than having to scroll thru his extensive gassers/ricers products. Edited by: ShumDit

If he does offer diesel product ~ would be nice if he lists them in a dedicated section of his website. I gave up rather than having to scroll thru his extensive gassers/ricers products.





Thanks. You're absolutely right. We are in the process of redesigning our entire site and a dedicated diesel page is included in the new design.

Mr. Borla, have you considered politics? You seem to have the carisma, to be one.

Welcome Mr Borla,


please let us know as soon as your web page (diesel) is on line and when you are ready to announce your Duramax exhaust systems. I am in the market for a 4" exhaust and would like to compare your offering to those currently available. as others have said, no racing, just street use and towing.


thank you sir

Dave,


Think 5" w/o a tip!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif No false advertising!!!


Jason

Dave,


I'm always in the market for good quality exhaust systems to install. Actually so far, the very best I have installed out there are A.T.S (Advanced Turbo Systems) exhausts. I'm sure the competition here doesn't want another competitor, but when you have systems ready for the market I will give you a call and try some of your product.


What I look for in an exhaust system are ease of install. Hangers welded in the right spot. Band clamps, either stainless or the type A.T.S. use. I don't remember the name of these though. Most of the type with the j-bolt type welded to the clamps suck. Although MBRP aren't as bad as some. Make a real high quality exhaust, which is easy to install and not real noisey and it will sell. Also, have the flange just like the factory flange. I install a lot of BD exhaust brakes and this is where they bolt up too. On a lot of the systems I have to weld flanges on. Thanks, tpitt

Try to look at it this way. How many times have big name auto parts manufacturers built a new "Latest and greatest" product and told you you NEEDED it. Versus the head of leading exhaust manufacturer taking the time to personally get feedback on what you, the consumer, thinks his company should build for us. Product competition only brings better products for us to buy.


With that said, I just purchased an MBRP exhaust for my CC LLY. Mark was awsome to talk with and took the patience to answer every question. Installed the system today and for the most part love it. Great quality and price. All in all very satisfied.


Rich.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif

Bigblockquad,


I certainally don't want to leave the impression I'm bad mouthing MBRP. They are a very good system for the money. They have also made some very good improvements, since I have started buying them. Last, but not least, is even though I've never met him in person, I like Mark, he is very customer orientated, and does return phone calls. tpitt

Your turn, Mr Borla.

Welcome David!!


Ignore the haters they have nothing better to do than complain. If it isn't you it's someone else. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif


Anyway, I would like to see someone build a quiet system with zero resonance. I would like to gain a few hundred degrees on the EGT guage but I do not want a system that is much louder than the factory system. Stainless is a must (should be easy for you).


As tpitt mentioned the band style clamps seal and last much longer. I would also like to see the flange retained. I do not like oversized chrome tips, so I would like to see a nice subtle rolled stainless edge. I could care less if the system was polished but I would like to see it made from a high qualtiy stainless to prevent rusting.


You will have to figure out the LLY code issue. Search and you should find ample information on this site.


I might be in the minority but price is not an issue. I already know Borla stands behind thier products so if you sytem has all the charachteristics I desire I will gladly pay more.


I a glad you are here and flattered that Borla would care enough to hear "my" opinion. Keep this type of marketing up and you will be in business a long time.


If you need a "beta" tester let me know http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif.


CD

Dave let me add a little to what The Original Diesel stated on the tip. I would also like to see an 18" tip with rolled edges, slant cut or straight. Also the option for a 4" to 5" tip. I also appreciate the fact that a manufacturer wants input from the field. Keep posting. Terry Edited by: tpitt

David


You say you have a turbo down pipe. Is the pipe 4". I understand it will fit with no problems in place of the OEM, If it is 4" is there a clearence problem at the fire wall like being to close causing heat problems at the fire wall. If all is well I am intrested.


Geno

was about to order a MBRP 304 stainless exhaust , but just got put on hold until I get more info/pics of your stuff David Borla . Specifically your downpipe part #60079 and your cat/back part#140097. Especially looking for pics of the tip!!! any info on testing, egt's , sound , etc. would be much appreciated . also are these part #'s in production yet?? Thanks ...CC

As far as I understand, he doesn't even have a product yet.

According to their website they have part #s listed under the new products section for both short and long bed crews and ex. cabs, plus a downpipe , no pic's though!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Sorry for the delay, I've been out of town. We really appreciate all the feedback we've been receiving on both this forum and the many personal emails I have received. Your input is truly valuable to us and now we need a little time to ensure that your suggestions make their way into the final products. I am fairly certain that these products will be available soon. We will also be sending our new diesel products out to various independent sources for testing so you guys can have access to some non-biased numbers. Of course we have our own data, but in our experience it's the independent tests that hold the most weight in the eyes of the public. Pictures are coming as well. Thanks for all of your help in the development of these new Borla Diesel products and I look forward to the feedback we will receive when these products finally hit the streets.

You guys are idiots. Welcome David.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif





Jess

Make a system that does not cost $1000.00





Jess

Kinda like an MBRP?

jesshd,


We can get you into a basic system for as low as the high 300's and all the way up to the low 1200.00's for the top of the line, depending on what you want and need. Call us if we can help with any questions etc.


Mark @ DPPI