I've noticed some of you mention toy haulerzhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif. Looking at buying onehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif and want those of you who have them to give your opinion of what you have. I'm looking at 30-32' 5r to haul the Hog on trips. All opinions are appreciated.

I have a Tahoe 33TB. Bought it in 2001 and have put over 30k miles on it to date. Been through 2 sets of tires. Quality is ok. I have the aluminum siding and it is started to want to leave the trailer at high speeds. I have screwed most of it back on. It is the top strip on each side of the trailer where the front bedroom extends over the frame. poor stapling from the factory. I will be selling it in September.


I would not hesitate to buy the same trailer with the fiberglass sides as everything else has performed flawlessly.


Next one for me though will be the Weekend Warrior SLC3905.

I'm looking at 30-32' 5r to haul the Hog on trips. All opinions are appreciated.

Help educate me. Why would you need a 32' 5r to haul one motorcycle? Couldn't it darn near fit in the bed, especially if it is long bed?

Wondering minds want to know.

Jim

I have the Weekend Warrior SLC3705. Love it! You get the best looks with something that is as tall as a Semi and everyone gets out of your way fast!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif The SLC is available in 3 standard lengths: 35', 37' and 39' box lengths. It's also nice to be able to stand up in the front room (has about 1/2"-1" of clearance for me and I'm 6"-0"). The bath in that model is also great, you can actually get up from the throne without banging your head on the door like most. The quality it's 5 times better than anything else the wife and I looked at. They're pricier than the others but we use it all the time and wanted something that would last and take the abuse of 4 kids. The only other recomendation I would give is have them bump the axles 1'-2' forward. I have more pin weight than I care for (around 4200) and not enough of the weight on the trailer axles. They can still handle about 2500 lbs more when it's fully loaded. Also, tell them you want an actual certified weight slip for the king pin and the axles showing them separate. I found out that manufactures like to under weigh the tag that goes on them. Any other questions just post it. I'd say PM me but others might find some of your questions and the answers usefull.


TT

Terrain Twister,


Aren't you exceeding the load rating of your tires?


I calculated a GVW of 11,200 hooked up based on your numbers and approximately 7200 lbs on your rear axle without passengers based on your pin weight. That would put you 370 lbs over your max load on your tires(6830 lbs). Your in dually territory.


You definitely have bigger balls than I do.


Regards,


David

Yes, I'm exceeding the load range. That's why I strongly recommend that whoever anyone gets a trailer from that they have the weights proved. I found out after everything was bought that I was over. Unfortunately I don't seem to have any recourse at the moment but I still have some investigating to do. I ordered and bought the truck and trailer based off of information from the trailer manufacture. As you can tell I've done some calculating to find out where it's at and basically the trailers are heavier than they say.






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Ya gotta love those advertised weights.


With my little WW FT2200 hooked up My GVW is right at 9200 lbs with passengers. Advertised tongue weight at the time was 775 lbs dry(It has since been updated to 910 lbs) actual tongue weight is 1000 dry and 1600 wet. load up the back and it balances out to about 1200 wet.


Now I know why I see Weekend Warriors on the side of the freeway with blown tires. Even your trailer is overweight by 2000 lbs. You Know if you ever get stopped by the CHP and they request you to weigh at a weigh station they will ask you to leave your trailer behind.


It looks like you've done your homework. Unfortunately you found all this out after the purchase. Personally I think the DOT should crack down on RV manufacturers published weights, They are definately deceiving.


If anything those 19.5" wheels are a must IMO.

I'd still be OK even if the CHP pulled me over. The 15,000 pound rating is axles only and doesn't account for what the pin carries. I do plann on upgrading the tires on the trailer though just to play it safe.

Somebody correct me here if i'm wrong but even though a trailer has 3 axles rated at 5200 lbs each and the axles can handle 15,600 lbs easily


A GVWR of 15000 lbs means all the weight at the axles and the tongue or pin weight per the .pdf below


http://www.skylinecorp.com/ttmanual.pdf


I'm not trying to rain on your parade TT you have a great truck and trailer I'm just a paranoid business owner who tows using company owned vehicles and worries about liability.


Regards,


David

I have a Tahoe 33TB. Bought it in 2001 and have put over 30k miles on it to date. Been through 2 sets of tires. Quality is ok. I have the aluminum siding and it is started to want to leave the trailer at high speeds. I have screwed most of it back on. It is the top strip on each side of the trailer where the front bedroom extends over the frame. poor stapling from the factory. I will be selling it in September.


I would not hesitate to buy the same trailer with the fiberglass sides as everything else has performed flawlessly.


Next one for me though will be the Weekend Warrior SLC3905.





2 SETS OF TIRES IN 30K MAN THAT AIN'T GOOD. HOW DO THEY WEAR,EDGES OR CENTER,ALL WEAR THE SAME? I'GOT 27K ON MY ORIGINAL TIRES ON MY CURRENT 5er.


I AGREE SMOOTH FIBERGLASS IS THE WAY TO GO. ALOT EASIER TO KEEP CLEAN.


DOES THE 33TB HAVE SEPERATE GARAGE AREA? WHAT KIND OF FLOORPLAN?


I'M LEANING TOWARDS ROADMASTER,CAMPMASTER GOOSENECK. I LIKE THE LAY OUT AND THE LOW RIDE. DON'T NEED ANYTHING AS BIG AS A 39',JUST ME AND THE WIFE.

I'm looking at 30-32' 5r to haul the Hog on trips. All opinions are appreciated.




Help educate me. Why would you need a 32' 5r to haul one motorcycle? Couldn't it darn near fit in the bed, especially if it is long bed?

Wondering minds want to know.

Jim


KIND OF HARD TO SLEEP ON THE BIKE AND DEFINITLY NOT ROOM FOR 2. NO WAY WILL THEY FIT IN THE BED EVEN SIDEWAYS. JUST WANT TO TAKE THE BIKES WHEN WE TRAVEL SO WE CAN RIDE AND RIDE AND RIDE.

I have the Weekend Warrior SLC3705. Love it! You get the best looks with something that is as tall as a Semi and everyone gets out of your way fast!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif The SLC is available in 3 standard lengths: 35', 37' and 39' box lengths. It's also nice to be able to stand up in the front room (has about 1/2"-1" of clearance for me and I'm 6"-0"). The bath in that model is also great, you can actually get up from the throne without banging your head on the door like most. The quality it's 5 times better than anything else the wife and I looked at. They're pricier than the others but we use it all the time and wanted something that would last and take the abuse of 4 kids. The only other recomendation I would give is have them bump the axles 1'-2' forward. I have more pin weight than I care for (around 4200) and not enough of the weight on the trailer axles. They can still handle about 2500 lbs more when it's fully loaded. Also, tell them you want an actual certified weight slip for the king pin and the axles showing them separate. I found out that manufactures like to under weigh the tag that goes on them. Any other questions just post it. I'd say PM me but others might find some of your questions and the answers usefull.


TT





WEEKEND WARRIOR IS GREAT LOOKING CAMPER BUT MORE THAN I NEED,NO KIDS JUST THE WIFE AND ME. CURRENTLY HAVE 30.5G PROWLER LSI AND IT'S MORE SPACE THAN WE NEED AND WE CAN'T TAKE THE BIKES ALONG. YOU TELL THE SAME TELL I HEAR,PIN WEIGHT IS ALOT MORE THAN MANUFACTURERS ADVERTISE,AS USUAL. MOST COULD USE ANOTHER AXLE TO BETTER DISTRIBUTE WEIGHT. I'M REALLY LEANING TOWARDS ROADMASTER,CAMPMASTER WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH A GOOSENECK CAR TRAILER WITH FRT LIVING QUATERS. I ALSO LIKE THE LOW PROFILE FOR LOADING AND TOWING. HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE ANY REVEIWS ON THEM THOUGH AND MOST DEALERS IN THE AREA I'VE TALKED TO KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.

David,


No worries! From what I've been finding out they advertise the axles as the GVWR and don't include the Tongue/Pin weight. That seams to be the loophole they get thru on advertising true weight. Reason being is that they can't see how someone will load it and that's the safety cushion. The toyhaulers in recent years though are starting to throw a loophole in the loophole since sometimes people will use them unloaded or not enough in the back to properly counter balance what is needed for a safe Tongue/Pin weight. A non-Toyhauler is built with an average weight up front that doesn't change as drastic as putting a vehicle in the back.


Sorry if I sound like I'm schooling here I just don't wish to see anyone have to worry like I do everytime we hook it up. Which is quite a bit from October-May. Fortunately my Wife is understanding and knows the details. She doesn't like the fact that to be safe it's going to cost us another $3500 and to be honest I don't either. I actually like the Factory Aluminum Wheels!


The one thing I'm glad I did was put an 18K hitch on instead of a standard 15-16K that they said would be fine. The hitch I have has a Pin rating of 4500 lbs. versus 3750 for a 15K or 4000 for the 16K.


I understand the liability issue. As far as the axles being at 5600 that's correct but don't forget the tires. Those on mine only hold 5030 lbs. per axle.


One other thing. Make sure that whatever trailer you get they put brakes on each axle and they atleast match the axle in rating. Mine are 7000 lbs per axle.


I hope this info is of value to someone.


Chuck

TVolDMax,


Check out the Rage'n 2930 5th-wheel. I have a 2003 and love it. I have no kids just a wife and 4 motorcycles. I usually tow it out to the desert for 3-5 days or take it to Yosemite/Sequoia. It's been great! Any questions feel free to contact me.


http://www.nationalrv.com/?page=model&amp;code=rage&amp;my=2004&amp;function=floorplans&amp; floorplan=2930-5G


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I'm looking at 30-32' 5r to haul the Hog on trips. All opinions are appreciated.




Help educate me. Why would you need a 32' 5r to haul one motorcycle? Couldn't it darn near fit in the bed, especially if it is long bed?

Wondering minds want to know.

Jim


toy hauler refers to a rv with a seperate "garage" area. they can camp in the fithwheel and have the bikes in the back. ramp doors so it can be easily unloaded. hope that helps

I also have the 2003 30.5' Rage'n. I bought it new in August of 2002 and have loved it. It is a fifth wheel and pulls great. We haul a Yamaha 3 seat waverunner on the trailer inside that is full load ( no more room) . I have had a Road King and a Deuce in at the same time. We bought it with an Onan generator which is great for Motocross races. I use the outside shower to run my pressure washer so the 100 gallon fresh water tank comes in handy. I did put in the heavier tie downs at all locations. Look around there are more and more Toy Haulers coming out every day. Some have the dedicated garage and some are like mine, move the beds and roll up the carpet and now you have a big cargo trailer. IMHO there are advantages to both styles. I have always run out of space before weight.


Happy hunting

I've looked at RAGE'N like alot,but I really want a seperate garage area,you know a room for the guys to hang in. I really like the layout of the Campmaster,can't find any reveiws on it though. Nothing bad but also nothing good,no reveiws at all,. Have checked Woodalls and Trailer Life but found nothing.


Check out their floorplans,34 to 48' lengths.


http://www.roadmasterllc.com/campmaster.html# (http://www.roadmasterllc.com/campmaster.html)

I've not bought one yet, but I've been looking a lot...


I was pretty much sold on the Rage'n until I saw the KZ's. Separate garage area and they pretty much all have slide outs including the 29P I like. If you want one a little bigger, the New Vision stuff is the higher end. But the smallest it comes in is a 36P


http://www.kz-rv.com/sportster/sportster_index.php


Went on RV net and the reviews from the folks there are about 98% positive with the older models and the new ones are wider, and have re-designed garage areas with hidden cables for the queen bed and rear ramp. They've also added the fiberglass exterior option which I like on the New Vision, and more importantly to me, they are the mid-height design so they are not so tall. The places I like to go, the trees and things would be hard on one of the full height fivers.


But that's just my two cents worth. I'd be interested in what you decide on and why...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

TVolDMax, You could always add one of the outside rooms they make for the Toyhaulers. Of course the weather would have to agree. We added a screened wall. It allows us to leave the ramp down and get a great breeze coming thru. I'll even be setting it up on a cable system that keeps the ramp level with the trailer and will make for a nice non-dirt area to sit on in the evenings. Their's also the tent room addition. Of course you don't have a solid wall to seperate you from the gals!

toy hauler refers to a rv with a seperate "garage" area. they can camp in the fithwheel and have the bikes in the back. ramp doors so it can be easily unloaded. hope that helps

yes, make a whole lot more sense now.

jim

Hey TT, Save 1000lbs of weight by towing with no water. fill up at your destination. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Hey TT, Save 1000lbs of weight by towing with no water. fill up at your destination. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


Already thought of that. It's just to hard to dig a well in the middle of the desert!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Seriously though, When I can do that I do. Thinking of moving the tanks back also but I still prefer the idea of sliding the axles forward.


Personally, for the Toyhaulers I think sliding axles should be standard. Then you could adjust for a load or no load.

For anyone looking into toyhauler info, this forum has some info and very friendly folks with toyhaulers that would be happy to answer some of your questions.

Sparky

For anyone looking into toyhauler info, this forum has some info and very friendly folks with toyhaulers that would be happy to answer some of your questions.

Sparky


Are you talking this forum or another?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

I'm sorry... I thought I pasted the URL in my update.
Duh. I guess that is what I get for trying to read/update forums and work at the same time.
The URL is for the toyhauler forum is; http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings/forum/13516802.cfm

Again sorry for the brainfart.
Sparky

05 33 WTB Tahoe..... Aluminum Construction 10" I beam frame 6K 8 Lug axels, Bedroom slide...... I did a TON of research and it's the best on the market for the price. Most of my friends have Warriors and are unhappy with them. In one case two of them were bought at the same time. After the first trip the rear axel fell off of one and the other was losehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif........ If you can get the latest copy of toy haler magazine it has a great article on the wall construction of the Tahoe!


A

I have no kids just a wife and 4 motorcycles.




CMDMAX - you are my new hero! 1 wife and 4 motorcycles - you rock! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


I want to be like you when (if) I grow up. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I have no kids just a wife and 4 motorcycles.




CMDMAX - you are my new hero! 1 wife and 4 motorcycles - you rock! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


I want to be like you when (if) I grow up. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Better yet.... Refuse to grow up! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif
Grown kids, 1 wife, 5 motorcycles, 1 toy hauler.

Gotcha Beat! 4 kids and 1 wife that would rather ride than do anything else, 1 buggy, 1 quad, 9 bikes, 1 Toyhauler, 2 trucks and 1 Suburban.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I have the Rage'n 21G-small, but hauls two bike and all the comforts of home. Sleeps 4.

I have a Forest River Sierra F37. It's 38.5 feet long. I end up slightly overloaded on GVW I think, but I've only had it a week and one trip, so I haven't weighed yet. Nice thing about the Sierra 5th wheels is huge water capacity. 110 gal fresh. Has a great slide out and is really a LOT of trailer for the money. I'm real happy with it, though if it was entirely up to me (as opposed to the wife), I probably would have gotten something a little smaller. Unloaded it's just over 11,000, GVW on the traler is just under 16000. I load maybe 2k lbs. worth of junk, including 2 quads, not including water.

I need to do some Juicing. Pulls great for the most part, but could use some help on the big grades.

Check out the Forest River stuff.

If you want a really great deal on a toy hauler, check out RV Direct (http://www.rvdirect.com). The All-American Sport is a Forest River product, and is really nice. Great prices too.

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I have a SanTek Toy Hauler.


V-nose, slant-top, 25 feet from the hitch ball to the back.


I think it is one of the finest built trailers on the market. Smooth sided no-rivet aluminum skin available in many baked on colors. Steel frame. All the comforts of home.


I don't know what it weighs but it is a stout trailer and not a lightweight. I just got a load leveler hitch and sway controller set up today and it is incredible how nicely it tows now. It wasn't bad before, but now it's like it's not even there. I just feel like I'm driving a 15,000 pound Duramax aroundhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif


I can put 2 or three streetbikes in it, or a few quads, or a tiny 1950 Ferrari 212http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif .


Nice, contemporary interior too.


They will build you whatever you like.


www.santektrailers.com (http://www.santektrailers.com)








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I've got a Carson FD20. www.carsontrailers.com (http://www.carsontrailers.com) and love it. We just got back from Flagstaff taking it out on it's maiden voyage. I had a Carson FL16 before that but the addition of a child and a lab required a bit more room...





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Glad to see so many RV'ers out there enjoying their toys, me to. Like many of the others that posted the wife and I looked at many different models. Most were sporty with minimal amenities or creature comforts, few were plush with nice creature comforts. With no kids and wanting to go full time 4-6 months annually we wanted the latter. We ultimately settled on Sunnybrook's new 391 SUV(40'), very plush like their Titan series top-of-the-line, with a 8'x10' garage in back and triple axle. SB's are not lightweight units since they use large frames, i.e. my unit was 13400lbs dry-16-17k loaded with GVWR of 18k). Your truck is similar to mine and should handle it. It was the attention to detail that impressed us, e.g. high pressure stainless steel valve stems; Goodyear load rated tires; triple axles; fit/finish was outstanding. What sold me on SB's was: (1) I researched multiple TH's on the web and SB owners love them and would buy again; (2) I spoke with a RV towing company manager whos company delivers units from the manufacturers to the dealers. He mentioned that when they have accidents on the road most trailers disintegrate into pieces, whereas on SB's they often can right them up and continue. Mostly surface damage to the exterior finishes. He bought a damaged SB unit himself and used it for years before upgrading to a new SB. Pretty good "unsolicited" testimonial if you ask me. Whatever you pick enjoy and stay safe.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

We have a 2002 Weekend Warrior FS2600, which has been a good Toy Hauler for us.


However, the one thing I do not like about Weekend Warrior toy haulers is the 15" wheels they use, which really limits the choice of heavy duty trailer tires you can buy. The stock 225/75-15 D tires are junk, and we blew out each and every one of ours within the first year that we owned the trailer. One of the blow outs was quite bad because the tire came apart at 65 mph, and the flailing rubber flap cut a six inch wide swath right through the floor of the trailer. After stopping and opening the door of the trailer to see what the internal damage had been, it looked like a bomb had gone off inside the trailer, with rubber chunks, particle board, plywood, and you name it, spread all over everything. Luckily our insurance payed for repairs, because the bill came to over $4000. When replacing tires I found that you cannot buy 15" tires in that size that have a higher load rating than the stock tires, so you are stuck with only being able to buy better quality tires, and not higher rated better quality tires.


We will be upgrading our Toy Hauler to a larger one within the next year, and I like everything about our Weekend Warrior except the 15" wheels and tires. Our Weekend Warrior is the largest one they sell with two axles, and we load it heavy with 4 ATVs inside when we go ATVing. Our next Toy Hauler will have triple axles if it is a Weekend Warrior, or it will be a different brand that has 16" wheels, so we can upgrade to load range H tires if I feel the need to. I suppose I could buy 16" wheels and higher rated tires for a Weekend Warrior, but that sure seems like a big expense for something the trailer should come from the factory with.


Yamahauler

Hi yamahauler,


Warrior will upgrade you to stronger axles and 16" wheels and tires. Not sure of the cost.

Thanks for the information TerrainTwister. That tire and wheel upgrade has got to be the best upgrade you can get for Weekend Warrior toy haulers. We have been looking at toy haulers for a few months now, and we have been noticing what size wheels and tires the different brands come with, and NONE of the Weekend Warriors I have ever seen on RV dealers lots have had 16" wheels and tires on them. Why don't the dealers order the heavier toy hauler models with that upgrade? I guess it just doesn't attract customers like the other options do.

Probably because most of the dealers don't know about the option or they just want to sell what's on the lot. I found out by actually calling the factory because I have a problem with the pin weight (another thread) being to heavy on mine.