FYI:


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In two words: Amazingly Awesome!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


The "Official" HP & Torque ratings are not published yet.


I was told I could state what is currently written in the manual, but it is not the final numbers.


They are:


Level 1: 30HP 100Torque


Level 2: 50HP 120Torque


Level 3: 70HP 170Torque


Level 4: 90HP 200Torque


Level 5: w/Attitude-Not Published Yet

Steve


Now you are a 2 word rebelhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Paul

Steve


Now you are a 2 word rebelhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Paul





Yeah, the Edge did it to me.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

who's going to be the first to run an lly vs. an lb7?????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

anyone driven both that can compare the two?

I've got 1800 miles on my 2004.5 LLY, and am thinking about getting an Edge Juice w/Attitude, and was curious how much break-in time you gave it BEFORE adding the Juice? I've seen pro's and con's as to when it should be added, but that is like the whole break-in methodology story.


Any suggestions??


Dale Drew


2004.5 Chev 3500 4x4 CC Big Dooley, just waiting to start the mod's.

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Steve is that just the Juice that's out or did they also release the Hot Juice? I can't seem to find anything to clarify any of this on Edge's web site.

Had about 1400 miles on mine when I went to the Edge/Attitude. Now have 3400 and would never look back. As Steve above stated "Amazingly Awesome"

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Steve is that just the Juice that's out or did they also release the Hot Juice? I can't seem to find anything to clarify any of this on Edge's web site.





Called Edge this AM and they said about two more weeks for the Hot one. Same day turnaround on any boxes sent in for upgrades...T

I've got 1800 miles on my 2004.5 LLY, and am thinking about getting an Edge Juice w/Attitude, and was curious how much break-in time you gave it BEFORE adding the Juice? I've seen pro's and con's as to when it should be added, but that is like the whole break-in methodology story.


Any suggestions??


Dale Drew


2004.5 Chev 3500 4x4 CC Big Dooley, just waiting to start the mod's.








Dale,


i say go for it. I had 2100 miles when I started with it, now have 3600.

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Steve is that just the Juice that's out or did they also release the Hot Juice? I can't seem to find anything to clarify any of this on Edge's web site.





Yes it is the juice. As ynot says, a couple more weeks for the HOT.

Is the Hot Juice an add on to the Edge Juice w/ attitude or a complete unit? Basically, can I buy what's out now and then upgrade to the Hot Juice later?

yitsockm yes you can upgrade to the hot juice later. You can have your box reflashed. After your tranny upgrade........ Edited by: Max Power

Hot Juice is merely a programming update to the software on the Juice.


The stock Allison will NOT handle the power of a Hot Juice. There is enhanced trans protect in the programming, BUT if you give the program the ability to cross the line, it can and will....

I would have to bet that even the 90 hp tune in the LLY trucks will strain the Tranny some... Remember, factory bumped the numbers on the engine, but left the trans alone. If you start out at a higher level and add power to that, your above what an LB7 with a 90 hp tune was. Be carefull, and you LLY guys will, IMO, need upgrades sooner.

Eric

What's the rumor to the backdown in 5th gear power (stock) in the LLY ?? This being the reason no Allison upgrade was done this model year ...
As this seems to be the most problematic area for the Allison to hold in higher torque applications ....

Mac

who's going to be the first to run an lly vs. an lb7?????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

anyone driven both that can compare the two?

Been trying to get SteveNorCal to race but he knows the LB7 w/Edge will eat the LLY w/Edge up.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I don't know about all that.

Sounds like a challange to me ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

who's going to be the first to run an lly vs. an lb7?????http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

anyone driven both that can compare the two?

Been trying to get SteveNorCal to race but he knows the LB7 w/Edge will eat the LLY w/Edge up.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Ha Ha Ha!!!! Bub, you'll have to wait for me to get a few more miles on this SCREAMIN' LLY before I pound you into the desert dust....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

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Ohhh I'll wait.

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Do it now, I have a buudy that has MY '02 with the Edge...I want to know if I can take him once I get "Juiced" again on my LLY.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

KTDURAMAX, Is his regular juice or with attitude?

Regular

I would imagine you would stay ahead of him with an LLY juiced. You better go with the attitude to be sure.

What's the diff between the Juice and Hot Juice? Do both go up to Level 5 or does only the Hot Juice go up to Level 5?


Or, is the Hot Juice just a bit "hotter" at each of the 5 levels?


Thanks.

When you get the hot juice, level 1 is removed and everything else gets bumped up one. Then the new hot level is 5

The Juice had at least 3 hp ratings for the LB7, 90 or regular,125 or HOT, and 145(advertised level??) additional rwhp, what are the ratings with respect to the LLY Juice?

Yep, I got mine coming from the group buy on this site! can't wait!

FYI:


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifYep it's official. Tongues of the Beta testers are now untied.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


In two words: Amazingly Awesome!!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif


The "Official" HP & Torque ratings are not published yet.


I was told I could state what is currently written in the manual, but it is not the final numbers.


They are:


Level 1: 30HP 100Torque


Level 2: 50HP 120Torque


Level 3: 70HP 170Torque


Level 4: 90HP 200Torque


Level 5: w/Attitude-Not Published Yet








....and where might all those tongues be ??? was hoping to get more feedback from all the beta testers as it seemed like there was 20 maybe ?

Assuming I run the Hot Juice on my LLY with a stock Allison 1000, what's the highest level that I can safely run it at, without worrying that I'm going to blow out my tranny?


I intend to upgrade the tranny down the road but want to be sure I don't destroy it before then.

tbone1227


Actually there were 30 Beta testers if my info from Edge was correct. SteveNorCal summed it up the best by stating "Amazingly Awesome". The reason you have not heard from the rest of us to much is because we are busy out buying new rear tires. As stated in another thread Edge should cover in their warranty the constant frying of the rear tires. It is the hardest part to get use to is all the extra power, you find yourself out looking for unspecting F**d & Short Cummings drivers to show what our DMax's will do when unleashed. I'm being facetious in the above statement but the extra power is awesome. There is just no other way to say it. Onced experienced you just won't want to go back to stock. Of course this is all IMHO. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

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Mine is on order, will be here Tuesday! I can't wait. I'll be sure to post my response the day after I receive it!
Ohhh boy, I have a feeling my truck is going to become much faster and my wallet much lighter, what a nice feeling...

So , will the LLY w/edge keep up or beat a LB7 w/edge?? That is the question !! Surely out of 30 testers someone would know the answer to that one.......!?

Can't say for sure on that one. Never gone head to head. However, my LLY did 375-380 rwhp with stock tranny on level 5. With the Stage III Suncoast, 410-420. I know these are just figures and not track times, but its something to go off of.


It should be real interesting once the nitrous gets hooked uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif

Heres some pics





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This just makes me Horny reading all this stuff and I can't hardly wait till I get my truck. Awesome power to show my Short Cummings neighbor with his big head.

Can anyone tell me something about the edgw on the LLY with the manual transmission

Can anyone tell me something about the edgw on the LLY with the manual transmission





Other then it will work fine with the Attitude to set the levels ,what'cha need to know ??





Mac

Beta testers - Anyone running the "Production Release" yet? I thought I was, but found out otherwise.

Yes, Im runnin it. Seat of the pants is about the same. Maybe a little more on the top end. I have a few issues that GM needs to check though before I can make any real judgements though. I have that damn rough idle. Its not Juice related because it started before I ever got the Juice. More problemshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Heres some pics





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Think stuff like this has anything ro do with the Amish always garbed in black?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Shoulda seen Nate disappear in the cloud on that one run. I was atching him in the mirror. That 48" fan did a nice job of breaking up the smoke. I'm hoping to have a chimney put in soon.





As for the Juice. I'm cautiously optimistic that the LLY Juice will be the most highly refined release Edge has made. I'm told that they did more testingon this unit than any previous release.





I doubt that the LLY will challenge the LB7 for horsepower champeen any time soon. Could be wrong, but...

John- I think the released version smokes even more. Edge said they turned it up a little on the top end. It just keeps pullin, and pullin, and pullin....... I will have to come back there soon to get some numbers on this box. Gotta get this nitrous kit hooked up too! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gif

Beta testers - Anyone running the "Production Release" yet? I thought I was, but found out otherwise.


Harley99 has his. I need to get up to Ogden and get mine done. There's a hardware change if you've experienced the turbo bark, but just software if not.


I'm going to have to ask more questions about that when I get up there.

can someone explain to my newbie arse what "turbo barking" is? thanks

Mcrat what do you think between the TTS tow/tune and the Edge level 2? seems about the same gains but how does it respond? or seat of the pants. I am looking for better towing and general driving. If I went edge I doubt I would go over 2 to save tranny. Edited by: Wickedfn4u

So , will the LLY w/edge keep up or beat a LB7 w/edge?? That is the question !! Surely out of 30 testers someone would know the answer to that one.......!?


My old HotJuiced '01 lives just down the street. I have a production Juice/Attitude on the LLY and if I see the 01, I turn the other way. It wouldn't even be close. Some things work better on the LLY like the cruise control. It dosen't hunt when on the higher levels and it is smoother on power application when towing. But for raw power-smoke the tires, the LB7 will walk away any day. I kinda miss that '01.

Mcrat what do you think between the TTS tow/tune and the Edge level 2? seems about the same gains but how does it respond? or seat of the pants. I am looking for better towing and general driving. If I went edge I doubt I would go over 2 to save tranny.


I really haven't tested them against each other for performance. I was waiting for the production release (which I now have) before I compare them on a dyno.


The Edge "seems" to be equal be to the TTS Tow when set at about 3, but "seems" can be misleading. The TTS is so smooth that it doesn't feel as fast as it really is. I drag race every month (or more) in a car, and I'm usually a good judge of how fast something goes. The TTS caught me by surprise when I picked up the slip. It didn't feel like it dropped 2 full seconds, but it did.


But like I've said in the past, there is NOTHING to find fault with the TTS Tow Tune for daily driving and towing. Edge will have a tough act to follow on this one. I certainly love the features on the Edge, but I like the driveability better on the TTS so far.


Of course I reserve the right to change my opinion after I get some seat time with the Edge production release. But I really can't see something being smoother than the TTS. I would venture a guess that the best you could do is match it.

Thanks CntrlCal, that is what i was experiencing too with my LLY w/Quad box. I wish i could still find a new LB7 as i would try to sell my LLY and get me one ! Maybe Edge will refine the Juice and make it run harder on the LLY, we hope !

I really haven't tested them against each other for performance. I was waiting for the production release (which I now have) before I compare them on a dyno.


The Edge "seems" to be equal be to the TTS Tow when set at about 3, but "seems" can be misleading. The TTS is so smooth that it doesn't feel as fast as it really is. I drag race every month (or more) in a car, and I'm usually a good judge of how fast something goes. The TTS caught me by surprise when I picked up the slip. It didn't feel like it dropped 2 full seconds, but it did.


But like I've said in the past, there is NOTHING to find fault with the TTS Tow Tune for daily driving and towing. Edge will have a tough act to follow on this one. I certainly love the features on the Edge, but I like the drive ability better on the TTS so far.


Of course I reserve the right to change my opinion after I get some seat time with the Edge production release. But I really can't see something being smoother than the TTS. I would venture a guess that the best you could do is match it.








When do you think you will get them on the dyno?


I really like the feedback on the TTS but by the time you add the extra PCM because I have the dealer do all my work, gages to be equal to the edge/attitude you well over the cost. I guess I am looking for the perfect world. I just would love the performance of the TTS and the goodies on the E/A (gages, plug and play or remove). But also not damage the transmission in the long run.

Beta testers - Anyone running the "Production Release" yet? I thought I was, but found out otherwise.


Harley99 has his. I need to get up to Ogden and get mine done. There's a hardware change if you've experienced the turbo bark, but just software if not.


I'm going to have to ask more questions about that when I get up there.




Q for the other beta testers here...

Did Edge send you a call ticket for this, or did you ship it up there on your own to get the s/w and h/w updated in the beta units? (I have the "bark" as you call it as well)

Jim

Jim,


Don't know if they intend to send you something, most of us were talking to them so regularly, they just told some and I actually found out about it here. But it had only been two days since I'd talked to them.


Call Edge and ask for Cody, he's the one who is handling the Beta conversions. I'm not sure, but I think if you want an exchange, you'll have to give them credit card info and they'll send it out. If you are willing to pull it off and send it back, that's a no charge deal. I don't think you even have to pay shipping, but I'm not sure about that.


Since you've experienced the bark, you'll need the new hardware, so you'll get a different box than you send in anyway.


Call Cody, I'm sure he'll get you set up...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Update!!


Remember my previous words: "Amazingly Awesome"





Now it's: "Cool" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


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Update!!


Remember my previous words: "Amazingly Awesome"





Now it's: "Cool" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif


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Now I've read somewhere here that adding stickers increases HP, Pnut I believe...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


But seriously, how does one explain that little addition to the SM at the stealer's?

Steve


I thought about adding that sticker to the side of my truck, but like Zeeb said have worried about when I take it in. Did you do it in such a way that it can be easily removed?

Well I do not ever plan on taking it in to the stealer, BUT if I someday have to, I will remove it along with the juice/attitude. It just has an adhesive on the back and will come off. I'm guessing it will not be reusable.


Zeeb, Yes it will add approx. 5-10HP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifEdited by: SteveNorCal