Anyone heard of Gm or the other manufacturers offering a Caterpillar engine for their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups in the near future?

Do a search on this, there has been many discussions about it, it's been a rumor for years (I heard it back around 1997). Most likely, none of the big 3 will have CAT power anytime soon, but another rumor was one of the jap trucks getting one.

Nobody has mentioned the fact that DC Freightliner division said back in June that they were unable to provide a 2007 Cat engine to a fleet for testing purposes because they have been "unable to have a new hold together longer than 5000 miles"! This was reported in a Transport Topics web site a couple of weeks ago.
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just you see te aftermarket will have tospend major money to get pass this one. All thr testing weare doing on the series 60 and the new engine detroint is building weare and have been running dpf and sucess is there but is wors that acat converter and muffler. the dpf will melt down with injector erosion and smoke. the dpf is very smart and the ecm has tons of inputs to make decisions. we noe see issues with the engine built for dpf and disabeling the diag for thr dpf removing the dpf causes its own issues. and the injectors we usr are larger versions of the dmax. with issues as well we can not keep injector running clean more then 20k miles.
I woul give the new engine a few years and 2010 will bring more and on and on.this is the start of good and bad things.
the good is the engine air isdirtier going in that comming out.

just you see te aftermarket will have tospend major money to get pass this one. All thr testing weare doing on the series 60 and the new engine detroint is building weare and have been running dpf and sucess is there but is wors that acat converter and muffler. the dpf will melt down with injector erosion and smoke. the dpf is very smart and the ecm has tons of inputs to make decisions. we noe see issues with the engine built for dpf and disabeling the diag for thr dpf removing the dpf causes its own issues. and the injectors we usr are larger versions of the dmax. with issues as well we can not keep injector running clean more then 20k miles.
I woul give the new engine a few years and 2010 will bring more and on and on.this is the start of good and bad things.
the good is the engine air isdirtier going in that comming out.

Spell check :) sorry, that was really hard to read.

Are you talking about the 07 Series 60's? Those injectors are nowhere near similar to the DMAX.. Cam fired injector vs. a common rail.. I'd say that's like comparing apples to oranges.

I was at Cat in Peoria last winter, met with some engineers and they talked about ACERT. I asked them about the light truck market, they said not right now.

Too many engines at too low margin. They claim to be a premium ($$$) engine manufacturer and don't want to play in the pickup truck market.

They have some engines in the size that would work, but their cost would prohibit the OEM truck mfg from selling the volume to stay competitive.

Any of you with big trucks probably know that a Cat doesn't come cheap in a new truck.

haftrek, daimler-chrysler owns freightliner, detroit-diesel, MTU(commercial mercedes) and several other trucklines. read that was economic/political choice.

I was at Cat in Peoria last winter, met with some engineers and they talked about ACERT. I asked them about the light truck market, they said not right now.

Too many engines at too low margin. They claim to be a premium ($$$) engine manufacturer and don't want to play in the pickup truck market.

They have some engines in the size that would work, but their cost would prohibit the OEM truck mfg from selling the volume to stay competitive.

Any of you with big trucks probably know that a Cat doesn't come cheap in a new truck.
I thought I remember seeing an F650 over the summer from a custom upfitter in Denver that had an option for the Cat motor. I have to dig a bit and see if I can find their info card with Website. The truck was over priced at $125k and wasn't all that nice on the inside, for that much you can get a CXT which I think was their target.

I never want to see a Cat in a pickup. I cant beieve they bother offering them in the medium dutys Any thing else>Cat

I would like to see a Dt 466 in a pickup I'm sure if it was possible it would have happend by now I cant say all Cats are bad but I absolutley hate the 3126 the Dt466e and 6hke1tc are 1000 times better

I thought I remember seeing an F650 over the summer from a custom upfitter in Denver that had an option for the Cat motor. I have to dig a bit and see if I can find their info card with Website. The truck was over priced at $125k and wasn't all that nice on the inside, for that much you can get a CXT which I think was their target.
According to the Ford web site F650-F750 comes with either the 5.9 Cummins, 7.2 Cat, or the 6.0 Powerstroke. http://www.commtruck.ford.com/ctw/default.asp

GM offers the CAT C7 7.2L 6-cyl engine in the 6500, 7500 and 8500. I cannot see them putting that engine in the 2500 or 3500; the cost would be prohibitive and no one would buy them.

I would say that if you need that much engine, you should buy a 6500 or larger truck.

sorry about the spelling that was a long day. your right the series 60 is different but the prototype engine I am working with for Detroit has injectors much like the dmax.

I never want to see a Cat in a pickup. I cant beieve they bother offering them in the medium dutys Any thing else>Cat

I would like to see a Dt 466 in a pickup I'm sure if it was possible it would have happend by now I cant say all Cats are bad but I absolutley hate the 3126 the Dt466e and 6hke1tc are 1000 times better

Have to take exception here--I have a 3126E in my '02 Chevy 7500 with a 10 speed RR.It's rated at 250HP and 860'lbs andthe power to pull some of my loads close to 50K lbs GVW is awesome.Even if I occasionally miss a shift{when I might glance at my avatar girl on my visor},the comeback torque rise is fast and smooth.I originally wanted the 7.8 Inline 6 DM,but could'nt wait 4 years ago but so far my kitty cat has been excellent.

If any one needs to get into the pickup market with a diesel engine it is John Deere. no other engines put out the consistency of performance like those engines. I GM offered a Deere in their medium duty trucks instead of Cat they would be much better off.

I will second that being a loyal customer of Deere for many years.They are unbelievably strong,dependable,and can go the distance.Other than a water pump r+r,I've never seen the inside of any of my 4 bangers over thousands of hours.Only problem is price--perfect example just recently--JD mudflaps=$50,Cat ones,same size=$20 for our pickups.Used to be reversed.

Anyone heard of Gm or the other manufacturers offering a Caterpillar engine for their 3/4 and 1 ton pickups in the near future?

Seems I heard something from an aftermarket vendor about a year ago as well, but the life of me I can't remember who or most of the details other than he had said the contract for the Duramax was coming to an end and with Chrysler moving to Mercedes manufactured motor the options were open for GM and Cat or Cummings was on tap.
Personally, IMO untill I see it in writing it ain't a done deal so for now Duramax is king.
Bob

GM offers the CAT C7 7.2L 6-cyl engine in the 6500, 7500 and 8500. I cannot see them putting that engine in the 2500 or 3500; the cost would be prohibitive and no one would buy them.

I would say that if you need that much engine, you should buy a 6500 or larger truck.


Not to mention that it wont fit. That engine is huge.

If any one needs to get into the pickup market with a diesel engine it is John Deere. no other engines put out the consistency of performance like those engines. I GM offered a Deere in their medium duty trucks instead of Cat they would be much better off.

not trying to start a colour war here, but don't forget about Perkins & SISU. Can't beat them either!!

wasn't gm going to come out with a 7.4l duramax option for the 2500hd's and up?

Just imagine how heavy & expensive one of these would be to generate the power of "The DMax"??

While I agree, it would be cool to see a Deere engine in a pickup, they are simply too heavy. Deere had a one 1 ton chevy with a 6.8L in it rolling around their engineering center. Ran great, but way too heavy. While their 9.0L would be overkill, it has great fuel economy! They are setting all kinds of fuel effeciency records with that engine.

If I am not mistaking DEERE is using some of ISUZUs technology. At least that is the impression I got off one of their brochures.

Not sure which technology you are refering too...

While I agree, it would be cool to see a Deere engine in a pickup, they are simply too heavy. Deere had a one 1 ton chevy with a 6.8L in it rolling around their engineering center. Ran great, but way too heavy. While their 9.0L would be overkill, it has great fuel economy! They are setting all kinds of fuel effeciency records with that engine.

I was chuckling to myself wondering if you guys were wanting a little Yanmar diesel in your trucks!:muahaha:

deere uses yanmar insome of their small tractors but few people deny the capability of deeres own engines

Diesel Power Magazine is intimating that Toyota will be introducing the CAT engine in its diesel pickup! If this is true, it will be a major marketing coup and spell serious trouble for the Big Three.

Diesel Power Magazine is intimating that Toyota will be introducing the CAT engine in its diesel pickup! If this is true, it will be a major marketing coup and spell serious trouble for the Big Three.

IMHO it will never happen, they don't need CAT they already have diesels of their own.
If Toyota wants to put a diesel in a pickup it will be one of their own engineered to fit the size of truck it will be used in.

Merle

Edzachary.Besides the fact that the smallest Cat engine probably weighs half as much as the truck itself.

Diesel Power Magazine is intimating that Toyota will be introducing the CAT engine in its diesel pickup! If this is true, it will be a major marketing coup and spell serious trouble for the Big Three.

I also disagree. DP magazine is always downplaying the Big 3. DP would be excited it Toyota announced that they had started buying slant sixes from Dodge, and putting into pick ups. -:t Toyota builds their own diesels, and they have been for years. Even so, just because it has a cat in it, doenst mean I would buy it. I seem to remember back in the late 1980's, some one bolting a Cummins into a POS, and that did not make the rest of the truck any better. The same goes with anyone else, including Toyota. If they do go diesel, I hope they do it inhouse. They certainly have the know-how.

JMHO.

This article quotes Toyota Japan as 3 years from a diesel Tundra for the US.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108724

Diesel Power Magazine is intimating that Toyota will be introducing the CAT engine in its diesel pickup! If this is true, it will be a major marketing coup and spell serious trouble for the Big Three.

Those trucks look like shit, and the frame would bend when they sat that CAT in the Cradle.

The Diesel Power article was a mere bit of speculation on the part of David Kennedy as to who would be the first pickup manufacturer to offer a CAT engine in a 3/4 ton pickup, if ever! He pointed out that back in 1998 Dodge had a 7.2L CAT equipped Power Wagon concept truck making the show circuit, so it can be done.

Also mentioned was that Ford sells more diesel trucks than GM and Dodge combined, so if they decided to abandon the Power Stroke due to poor market acceptance - well?

As for Toyota, well sure they make their own engines, but engineering a new full-sized platform around a CAT engine with that legendary name - well, figure it out guys! Will it happen? Probably not, the article was just speculation and controversy sells magazines (just like asking, "which is better, the .270 Winchester or .30-06"? in a gun magazine).

Would you or I buy a truck with a CAT engine? I would if it was in a domestic make, not a Toyota, but it would have to out perform the DuraMax, and that feat is going to take some doing.

GM turned down a CAT when they switched to the duramax, a very smart move. I would take ISUZU over CAT any day. If I would go with any thing else it would be a JOHN DEERE.:ro) :ro)

Ford sells more diesels, but how many does it buy back. I saw the diesel market share a while ago and it showed GM gaining and Ford losing. I just wondered how much it has change in the last couple of years. Also does ford include the 450 in that number as well?

This article quotes Toyota Japan as 3 years from a diesel Tundra for the US.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108724

And what rupture-brained moron wrote that article? " A Big Block Diesel V8...." Show me one of those? Obviously written by someone with absolutely no diesel knowledge whatsoever!!

From what I've seen, anything larger than an In-line 3, as far as 20, could be considered a big block coming from international sources.And what rupture-brained moron wrote that article? " A Big Block Diesel V8...." Show me one of those? Obviously written by someone with absolutely no diesel knowledge whatsoever!!

There was a concept truck built with a Deere inline 6 installed but the power was in question & the $ were high.

These new Tier 3 emission rules suck ass. We have 3 new 30 series John Deeres with there new 9 liter motor and it sucks fuel like a mofo and the power is nowhere near what we had when we had 8310's. I know there trying to make are air cleaner but they are making are fuel consumption twice as bad.

We ordered 2 new Pete daycabs with the pre E.P.A ISX Cummins. Everyone in the truck market is trying to get all there orders in before jan 1st 2007. Rumor is the fuel economy is gonna go to crap. I can only imagine how tough this is on engine manufactures to meet the new emission laws, especially Cat, there C15 acert needs 2 turbos just to meet emissions. All trucks built after the first of the year will have to have a "particulate" filter aka soot box to help lower emissions. Really sucks for the Diesel aftermarket. Dayum hippie enviromentalist wacko nut jobs.

I say the diesel engine manufacterers should band together and sue the epa for lying to the public, costing them money, and what ever else they may have done wrong. The epa has its place but this emmissions stuff is nothing more then money intheir pockets.

the new diesel that i am looking foward to is the titian. it will be having a v-6 international engine in it. so not muhc more HP but more torque. and way better gas milage. should be interesting to see how it compares to the v-8 diesels that are dominating the market now.

I wouldn't want a cat engine in my truck. I worked for caterpillar for 8 years, no more. They constantly hound the engineers to cut cost and make everything cheaper. Like cheaper metal an make the metal thinner. They paid 30 million for that Six-sigma crap which brought there stock up but I think it is back down now. A little secret a triple 7 dump truck sells for 7 million cost cat 1.2 million to make, but is only designed to make it past the warranty.

Well i think that the European Built and Jap EGR/DPF engines are gonna be a better engine to own since they been in to it longer. Just look at Volvo which owns Mack Basically and just upped it Share in Nissan. Then Mercedes which Daimler Brought over to help Detroit out with Cleaner Engines. And Internationals Joint venture With MAN to build their new Maxx Force Engine line which i am sure has influence. I Herd from a Honda Rep that they have a Diesel which will meet US EPA Regs With just a cat no egr, dpf

Well i think that the European Built and Jap EGR/DPF engines are gonna be a better engine to own since they been in to it longer. Just look at Volvo which owns Mack Basically and just upped it Share in Nissan. Then Mercedes which Daimler Brought over to help Detroit out with Cleaner Engines. And Internationals Joint venture With MAN to build their new Maxx Force Engine line which i am sure has influence. I Herd from a Honda Rep that they have a Diesel which will meet US EPA Regs With just a cat no egr, dpf

I will play the wait and see game with Honda. They are the last ricer I would ever own. Glad the Duramax is a Japanese design!!

These new Tier 3 emission rules suck ass. We have 3 new 30 series John Deeres with there new 9 liter motor and it sucks fuel like a mofo and the power is nowhere near what we had when we had 8310's. I know there trying to make are air cleaner but they are making are fuel consumption twice as bad.

We ordered 2 new Pete daycabs with the pre E.P.A ISX Cummins. Everyone in the truck market is trying to get all there orders in before jan 1st 2007. Rumor is the fuel economy is gonna go to crap. I can only imagine how tough this is on engine manufactures to meet the new emission laws, especially Cat, there C15 acert needs 2 turbos just to meet emissions. All trucks built after the first of the year will have to have a "particulate" filter aka soot box to help lower emissions. Really sucks for the Diesel aftermarket. Dayum hippie enviromentalist wacko nut jobs.

The reason for the series turbos is because Cat doesn't use cooled EGR. They are able to meet the same EPA emmissions standards without the need to blow soot back into the engine (think blocker plate and fingerstick mod).

I wouldn't want a cat engine in my truck. I worked for caterpillar for 8 years, no more. They constantly hound the engineers to cut cost and make everything cheaper. Like cheaper metal an make the metal thinner. They paid 30 million for that Six-sigma crap which brought there stock up but I think it is back down now. A little secret a triple 7 dump truck sells for 7 million cost cat 1.2 million to make, but is only designed to make it past the warranty.

Thats the funniest sh*t ever. I work for cat on the logistic side. They switched to a thiner box to save money. Now they b*tch about parts going through the box. :confuzeld

That six-sigma crap is the dumbest thing ever. They shove it down your throat as if it would stop making parts coming out the sides of boxes.

GiJoe started calling there new line of action figures sigma-six. Everytime I see it, I laugh. :confuzeld

I heard from a Toyota Exec. here in the US that Toyota will introduce a 3/4 ton version of the Tundra with a CAT engine in 2009.