Has anyone had any luck stacking with either the VA200+ or the Quad version 1.20. I have not been successful stacking these two together, but was wondering if anyone else has either been able to stack them together or stack any one of them with something else.


I never realized it would be so hard to get to 500rwhp. I'm half tempted to trade my Quad version 1.20 back to version 1.19.

I'm half tempted to trade my Quad version 1.20 back to version 1.19.





I think you just answered your own questionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

To add a little more info, the Quad tunes I have are 110/135/165/215 (all version 1.20). If anyone has had luck stacking any of these tunes, please post.

The only tune that i can stack is the 215. All the other tunes you mentioned i can only stack with a 90edge. If the edge is set any higher with any other quad tunes it bursts like a mofo. Of coarse this is all with injectors in the mix as well. I have also tried a 165 and 135 ver. 1.16 i think and it still bursted for me.

I've stacked the quad 215 and 135 (old v1.12) with the va200+ with no problems. Don't have a newer version of the quad and I'm tempted not to get one... The stack doesn't yield much over the va by itself though. If the va200+ had a little more on the bottom end (ie, a little more throttle response), it'd be a great box. It's got plenty on the top end to make up for it, but I like a touchy throttle with the power there when you touch it.

This VA 200+ you guys are talking about.... Is this the old VA230 box or the new, new (less then a month old) program that kennedy has and helped design? Just curious as the new one kennedy talks about is supposed to be better all around then the older one. Not that it really matters, I was just under the impression that there arn't many of these around and they are hard to come by.Edited by: Max Power

This VA 200+ you guys are talking about.... Is this the old VA230 box or the new, new (less then a month old) program that kennedy has and helped design? Just curious as the new one kennedy talks about is supposed to be better all around then the older one. Not that it really matters, I was just under the impression that there arn't many of these around and they are hard to come by.


The VA 200+ is the JK tune and it most definitely http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Rock On.gifrocks. I have run the VA 230 and there is no comparison to the 200 +.

Is it just because it actually has comes out of the hole with some assertion ?? I have heard mixed reviews ....


Dyno numbers haven't been fruit-full that I've seen ... The 230 was decent mid to upper range ...





Mac

The VA200+ seem to pull harder then the Quad not out of the hole, but in the upper RPM. The Quad 215 for me had an issue where it would have a turbo boost spike then a defuel caused by excessive boost. The VA does not have this problem, and holds a very steady boost throughout the run. Driveability is excellent. I'm currently only using the Quad for tire size and top speed delimiter. Seems like alot to spend for those features. Hopefully the next version will fix the bursting issue, or I will find something that works good stacked with the VA.

This is a little OT but its something that has puzzled the heck outa me…..how the hell does stacking work? We actually I know how it works, but how the hell come we can swap around boxes and stacks and find stacks that put down better #’s but guys who wright the programming cant get a single tune to make all that power? I can understand 2 lower power boxes but if you buy a “race” or “extream” box then it should be balls out with no real room for improvement? Just curious?

ratlover, you arent the only one that has though this. I dont see a guy couldnt build it all into a pcm.

hmmmm!~!~!

The JK VA200+ box is definitely a good box. By itself, it's the single biggest hp maker I've been able to get my hands on. Don't know how it compares to the TTS extreme, though I'd be interested to find out. My only complaint with the VA200+ is low-end power. It doesn't respond to the throttle quite as well. If it could be stacked with the Edge, watch out. But, stacking it with the the quad 215 or 135 actually nets me better 1/4 mile ets than the 215 and juice. It nets me slower 1/8 though and I can definitely feel the power in the top end.


I still run around with the quad 215 and juice though because most of my street racing doesn't give me a quarter mile. Hopefully John will be able to give the box another setting to make it a little more fun at the bottom end.

Just to comment on the term: Low end power It is actually as good or better thanany, BUT you need to step deeper to get it. Will be working on this in the future. This program is a huge improvement over the old VA 230. I'll try to work up a dyno plot overlay...

I could see how taking some fuel outa the lower throttle position would be desirable. I like lotsa power too but driving down my dads drive can be a PITA as is with the juice since every little bump causes me to whack the trottle a bit, speedbumps can be fun too if you arnt paying attention.


Can you ussualy get a older tune form a vendor if its proved at it stacked well for instance?

Our tuning focused on 100% APP. and RACE application while still maintaining driveability. That said, it shouldn't be too difficult to work up a way to get the box to shift up the map a bit more aggressively.





I have the std issue 230VA file available as well...Edited by: Kennedy

I am running the Quad version 1.21 box with the Edge Hot Juice with Attitude monitor. At the dyno I ran the Quad on the 215 setting and the Edge on level four with the Attitude disconnected. (I found out later how to disable the fuel cut-back feature.) That resulted in a 464 HP run. I was running it hard on some back roads before the run to see how it would work. The truck would run strong, but every once in a while it would totally loose power like there was a governor kicking in. I thought that it was the Attitude trying to cut the fuel back. On the way home I set the Quad to the 135 HP setting. Cruising on the expressway I did not like the extra rattle coming from the engine. It sounded like a Dodge. I took out the Quad and it ran quiet again.

Since that run I put on the lift and tires and ran at the drag strip. On the way there I put the 215 back in and ran the Edge on level 5 with the fuel cut-back feature turned off. I had the problem of power loss again. I set the Edge to 3 and it worked fine. My best time was 13.5.

Is this the bursting problem you are talking about? I do have a Holley fuel pump to keep positive pressure in the fuel system. I was thinking that it had something to do with the transmission learning, or the fuel pressure in the common rail was too high causing the relief valve to open.

For every day driving I have the Quad set to the 50 HP setting to fix the speedometer. I leave the Edge on 5. Very fun to drive! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Sorry if this has been covered already. Thank you for any info!

Mark

So you are toying with the VA to get it a bit more ballsy?


I think one thing may be the uniquness of different trucks for instance. Talking with Steve Cole he said he had a couple trucks out there testing the extream and all were running good except one had a bit of bursting, so if he scalled back all of em to get it 100% burst free in his testing then you could be down a bit on power.


I wonder how much it would cost or if it would even be possible to run a truck on a dyno and get a "custom" tune figured out. Well, beside the cost to drive to WI againhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif I dont have a problem stacking but it just dosnt seem to scientific to me and I would think one tune would be better if it could make the same power. JMO

John, does the big VA box you have not defuel between shifts. An earlier version I tried last fall ran like a scalded dog but it would defuel between shifts. This box was an earlier programmed unit with built in defuel before there were tranny upgrades available

John, does the big VA box you have not defuel between shifts. An earlier version I tried last fall ran like a scalded dog but it would defuel between shifts. This box was an earlier programmed unit with built in defuel before there were tranny upgrades available





I have various levels of cutback available. The more aggressive ones (less cutback) actually take time for the Allison to relearn as they can bobble on the rpm limiter which, of course inducates there is some rpm increase during shift timing.





Between the aggressive programming on the VA and the TCM keeping the TCC locked and more aggressive on the shifts, it's pretty darn solid on acceleration.Edited by: Kennedy

And then you get wierd popping and funny smelling exhaust when you try to do burnouts as the fuel keeps getting cut huh Johnhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


Will a big tune with no or little defueling hurt a level 3 SC alli? or has there not been enough testing?

Yeah, that really screwed my burnout didn't it?





I think just a little bit more fuel drop will help. I think there is still a gremlin in my transmission though. Time will tell as it learns the shift routine.

I am running the Quad version 1.21 box with the Edge Hot Juice with Attitude monitor. At the dyno I ran the Quad on the 215 setting and the Edge on level four with the Attitude disconnected. (I found out later how to disable the fuel cut-back feature.) That resulted in a 464 HP run. I was running it hard on some back roads before the run to see how it would work. The truck would run strong, but every once in a while it would totally loose power like there was a governor kicking in. I thought that it was the Attitude trying to cut the fuel back. On the way home I set the Quad to the 135 HP setting. Cruising on the expressway I did not like the extra rattle coming from the engine. It sounded like a Dodge. I took out the Quad and it ran quiet again.

Since that run I put on the lift and tires and ran at the drag strip. On the way there I put the 215 back in and ran the Edge on level 5 with the fuel cut-back feature turned off. I had the problem of power loss again. I set the Edge to 3 and it worked fine. My best time was 13.5.

Is this the bursting problem you are talking about? I do have a Holley fuel pump to keep positive pressure in the fuel system. I was thinking that it had something to do with the transmission learning, or the fuel pressure in the common rail was too high causing the relief valve to open.

For every day driving I have the Quad set to the 50 HP setting to fix the speedometer. I leave the Edge on 5. Very fun to drive! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Sorry if this has been covered already. Thank you for any info!

Mark





Could be your just running out of fuel supply when it lays down. Mine starts to do this at 1/2 tank. Try the experiment again only with a full tank and see if it makes a difference.

I could see how taking some fuel outa the lower throttle position would be desirable. I like lotsa power too but driving down my dads drive can be a PITA as is with the juice since every little bump causes me to whack the trottle a bit, speedbumps can be fun too if you arnt paying attention.


Can you ussualy get a older tune form a vendor if its proved at it stacked well for instance?








While reading this post I find ratlover's comment most ammusing. I play with the new Quad Stealth 215 and Attitude 145. I may have Quad on kill and Attitude set at 0-5, but what ever, Creeping through my deer lease causes all kind of "little jerks and jumps" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Wife nearly refuses to ride in my truck.


For the record I have not found the perfect Stack settings with these 2 boxes. I have felt an odd surge in an all out run with this stack. Don't know what it is. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif (I haven't even tried the Attitude G-tech to see if I could do a power comparison)

Just to comment on the term: Low end power It is actually as good or better thanany, BUT you need to step deeper to get it. Will be working on this in the future. This program is a huge improvement over the old VA 230. I'll try to work up a dyno plot overlay...








Everything gets going faster when you step deeper into it ....


I mean I don't leave a patch in second gear everytime !!!


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gifEdited by: Mackin

Well as far as stacking I have had pretty good luck stacking the 200+ box with the PPE excellerator on the highest setting. Once and a while I'll get a little bursting, seems to be 4th gear kick downs mostly. What's nice about this stack is that the PPE seems to lower the shift points from what I have seen. It doesn't seem to hit the rev limiter nearly as much.
Tried this stack on the dyno days in schoolfield, WI, resulted in 433hp the problems could have been from any one of these factors: the tires were spinning "smoking at the end of the run" and a little wet from driving across the wet gravel, truck may not have been warmed up all the way, and not being centered on the dyno. Tire choice may not have been the best either for the dyno, 33x13's on 18's.
Well with that said with the g-tech showing 12.9 in the quarter at 110'ish and 559 peak hp on the graph I am not one to complain. This is a very impressive stack for just diesel fuel.....I do get a pretty hard shift into second usally when getting into it. On a quarter run I try holding the brakes till about 1000rpms boost gauge reads (0 - .2psi) not power braking, just two wheel drive as well, doesn't realy light up the tires, but can see locker marks for the first 100' or so where the tires are biting.
Jon

Could be your just running out of fuel supply when it lays down. Mine starts to do this at 1/2 tank. Try the experiment again only with a full tank and see if it makes a difference.



That is what it feels like, but I don’t know why it would go away by just changing the Juice from 5 to 3. Last night I was in a hurry to meet someone and my truck was empty enough to have the fuel light on. Granted I have the Quad on 50 and the Juice on 5, but I could not duplicate it.

Someone please define the term bursting and how we would know if it is happening to us.

I am expecting the new Banks “Race” box today and I will be doing some comparison street testing this weekend.

Thanks,

Mark

Bursting is kind of hard to explain, you would know it if its happening, its kind of like a popping or burst from the exhaust, because it will clean up then throw bursts of smoke back out the exhast. You can really feel it in the truck too, it jerks it a little bit, the truck acts like it is running out of fuel then it will come back.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Ben there done that! Not much fun either. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

What is the cause? Is it the common rail safety valve popping off?

Mark

I am expecting the new Banks “Race” box today and I will be doing some comparison street testing this weekend.

Thanks,

Mark








Hmmm, some guys get all the goodieshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif





Think they can cross 400 without adding psi ???

Some say bursting is a lack of fuel, others say it is the programming. I think it is some of both, like with a tst a lot of people had problems with bursting on the comp version, after programming changes, tst lessened the bursting problem and I last I heard have eliminated it. Others had used different lift pumps and got rid of some bursting. So it depends on who you talk to. Either way bursting sucks!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif