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Dmax Tim
06-21-2004, 04:53 AM
From GM website
When General Motors Corp. begins replacing its line of full-size trucks in early 2006, it will start with sport-utility vehicles, including all-new versions of the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Envoy, the Free Press has learned.
Those new SUVs, along with an all-new version of the popular Cadillac Escalade and others, will be assembled at GM's assembly plants in Arlington, Texas, and Janesville, Wis.
As part of this next generation of GM's full-size truck line, a major $175-million investment already has been announced for Janesville and an announcement could be coming soon for Arlington, say GM officials, supplier officials and other people familiar with GM's plan.
GM's big trucks are North America's largest and the automaker's most important, vehicle line.
Unlike the rollout of the current line of heavy-duty GM trucks that were unveiled in 1998 and 1999, GM will introduce its new SUVs first, probably around March 2006. This next generation of full-size trucks, code-named GMT 900 within the automaker, will eventually produce at least 1.6 million vehicles a year at seven assembly plants, say insiders.
A lot will be riding on this new line, because its job will be to slowly replace the current generation of full-size GM trucks, which is code-named GMT 800 and has been wildly successful for GM, allowing it to earn multibillion-dollar profits in 2000- 03 while its crosstown rivals at Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler Group struggled with red ink and restructuring.
Last year, about 1.85 million vehicles were built off the GMT 800 platform, making it the largest vehicle platform in North America and perhaps the world.
"We don't want to take any chances with this. The numbers are so large and the financial impact is so great that we research every step of what we do," said a GM insider who asked not to be named.
After the new SUVs roll out in 2006, GM will then wait about a year to replace its full-size pickup trucks, the popular Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra. The launch of the new pickup trucks will start at GM's Oshawa, Ontario, assembly plant in early to mid-2007, followed later by rollouts at Ft. Wayne, Ind., Pontiac and Flint.
"The SUVs will go into production first. SUVs are much a more fashion-conscious and profitable part of the market than pickups, so it makes sense to get them on the road first," said Jim Hall, vice president of auto analysis in the Southfield office of consultant AutoPacific.
When the current full-size truck lineup debuted in 1998, GM put the pickups in production first, kicking off with the Oshawa plant. According to GM insiders and others, then-GM chairman Jack Smith asked why SUVs weren't being done first.
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Mackin
06-21-2004, 06:06 AM
Good info thanks .....


The other rumor I heard is they aren't gonna let hoot buy one,he's been targeted a traitor ....Or is it trader ??





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DEMAXALLIS
06-21-2004, 10:46 PM
When I took my wife to pick up her Toyota Solara the other day the Manager said that the upcoming 2007 Toyota HD PU will have a diesel. He said that it will be the "most powerful" in the market. I said that the GM/Isuzu Duramax/Allison is setting the current standard that Ford and DC are shooting for.


Competition is good for all consumers, the Dodge and Ford guys would not have their current power levels if the Duramax was not around.

Dura_Mike
06-22-2004, 12:55 PM
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Competition is good for all consumers, the Dodge and Ford guys would not have their current power levels if the Duramax was not around.





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tysmith
06-22-2004, 05:41 PM
I wouldn't go tossing around terms like "HD" and "toyota" in the same sentence. Remember the T100 with 1 Ton badges? How about all those dually toyotas? Always makes me laugh. Toyota and Nissan seem to be targeting the F-150 / light duty grocery-getter segment. I'd be surprised to see them make a true workhorse...

hoot
06-22-2004, 09:47 PM
Thanks for the heads up Tim. Hopefully GM will make it exciting.

Ripnsumlip
06-23-2004, 03:58 AM
Is GM going to come out with a Duramax/Allison in the Suburbn soon?

OC_DMAX
06-23-2004, 08:56 AM
tysmith Wrote "I wouldn't go tossing around terms like "HD" and "toyota" in the same sentence. Remember the T100 with 1 Ton badges? How about all those dually toyotas? Always makes me laugh. Toyota and Nissan seem to be targeting the F-150 / light duty grocery-getter segment. I'd be surprised to see them make a true workhorse..."


The HD pickup truck market is one of the last domains that the Detroit auto manufactures still have to themselves. That is one reason these vehicles sticker at $45K. The only competition is amoung the Big 3. They are making large profits on these vehicles and minimal profit on their car lines. This does not go unnoticed by the foreign manufactures. These manufactures are about to chip away at Detroit's last domain. It may take several attempts to get it right, but they will eventually. Never count the foreign manufactures out. Remember, 30 years ago, Cadillac and Lincoln used to be household names for luxury. Today it is Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, etc (at least on the West Coast).


Your correct in that the original T100 pickup fell short. But in a short period of time they came out with the Tundra and then a four door version of the Tundra. Like you indicate, these trucks compete directly with the F150 segment ect. And they will only get better over time.


In 2007, if Toyota comes out with an HD version of the Tundra, it may not be an initial threat to GM, Ford and Dodge. We may laugh at it initially. But by 2010, they will have iterated the design once and it will be a lot closer.


And by the way, I don't consider the bed on my Chevy 2500HD pickup to be Heavy Duty. Heck, there are dents on the top of the bed rails from just leaning on it. So Detroit still has a ways to go in building a "true" heavy duty truck.


Hopefully, the competition will be good for the consumers.

Bigf00t
06-23-2004, 11:00 AM
Well said OC_DMAX, Don`t count out the imports,We may laugh at their past mistakes but Toyota learns very quickly and i have no doubt they will be a serious contender in the lucritive truck market before we all know it !!

Ray403Dmax
06-23-2004, 12:14 PM
Well said OC!


I'll bet hoot will be jumping ship from Dodge to a foreign diesel pickup right about then. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

IceMan6533
06-27-2004, 09:25 PM
i know that most of the big 3 diesels can take a beating and run forever, but i would hate to see how long a toyota developped diesel can last, thats if they have anything to do with the motor itself, unless they just do what ford, chevy or dodge should have done a long time ago and get CAT to develop a truck motor


i have also heard all this about toyotas new line of HD trucks, and i am anxious to see how they stand up to the big 3, because seeing what toyota has done in the past, i think they can do very well with the HD line

tysmith
06-27-2004, 10:57 PM
If you recall, toyota imported a little four-banger diesel in the small pickup back in the late 70's, early 80's. My grandfather had one and beat the tar out of it and it wouldn't die. Certainly not a vehicle for hitching to a fifth wheel, but diesel nonetheless.


Seriously, guys. Can you tell me that when you see a dually toyota - uhaul, camper, or whatever, that it doesn't make you chuckle? Those things are just funny. Kind of like making a dually VW rabbit diesel pickup...


No doubt the foreigners will be competing as strong as ever, but I don't think you'll see any of the big three shakin' in their boots any time soon.

k1xv
06-28-2004, 05:50 AM
Outside the USA, diesels are the norm, not the exception. I was on a work assignment in Israel a couple of years ago and saw a turbo-diesel Toyota Land Cruiser. Can't tell you anything more about it, but Toyotas can take abuse and with care, last a long time.


Ever notice in the news coverage of Afghanistan and Iraq, how many of the vehicles are Toyotas? Do you think they get pampering and good maintenance/service?http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif But they keep on going. And I suspect the fuel is not top quality.