Just got off the phone with Mike over at Banks and he said that they are releasing the new tuners next Monday !! :)

so the ad i saw in this months 4wheeler is true and not a misprint?

Jeff from Banks just called me to day and said they will start taking orders Monday. Its about time. He said it will be a couple weeks before they are on the shelf though. He said he will call me monday with exact prices. He also said the sixgun bundle will produce around 135hp. to the rear wheels and will keep the EGR closed because of the air box system. I have herd said by some people that the horse power to the rear wheels that Banks quote's is not true. I hope it is true, he also said it should not limp the trans, but I wonder. I guess who ever uses the system should be cautious about how much go peddle you use on the full power setting if that is possible till we can find out if it will hurt the trans. I herd some say that anything over a 100 hp. will hurt the trans. But I have herd some say they have really thrashed the new six speeds with no problems yet. I guess eventually we will know for sure.
Ron

.............. and will keep the EGR closed because of the air box system. .....................

Ron


What if you already have your EGR blocked and a fingerstick installed??

an air box isnt gonna close the egr. blocker plate is still the best.

Awsome! It's about time they step up to the bat.

Bronson
Sorry I don't know the answer. I was just repeating what Jeff from Banks told me. I don't really understand either how the air box and location of the mass air flow sensor would keep the egr from opening either. I don't know for sure if what he told me is correct information he might not of understood what the engineers told him. Or he might not of understood my question when I asked him about the bloker plate and fingerstick if it would be nessasery with the six gun bundle. Mabe a profesional someone like fingers or Kenedy can help us to find out what the truth of the matter is as soon as some of us get the Banks system on our trucks. I am sure someone is going to put theirs on the dino to see exactly what the horspower is also. Sorry if I confused anyone, I am just learning about this tuners and programer stuff myself. Any help regarding the new Banks stuff is much appriciated. Also I was wondering if anyone has limped their trans. with the Banks system.
Thans Ron Ps. Forgive my spelling, didn't pay attention in school.

an air box isnt gonna close the egr. blocker plate is still the best.
the air box dosent close the egr-the tuning and program in the banks 6 gun does-the reason it does this is because with more airflow through the airbox the maf will set a code

Hey thanks for the info, now we know how they close the egr.
Gotta love the Diesel Place. The members are great.
Ron

Does anyone know the actual power gains from the banks setup? I am torn between the banks and edge. I had great luck with the edge juice with attitude controler on my 02 LB7. Never got a check engine light and never limped the tranny and I ran it HARD all the time. I reviewed the new Egde for the LBZ and not really impressed with the HP/TQ gains but also have to remember that the LBZ puts out more stock than my LB7 did. I already have the Tungsten II Palm and use it regularly for my company. ALso am looking at installing a Finger stick and blocker plate but if Banks is doing it with the tune then I won't need it. Is Banks actually going to mess with Emissions in their tune? I would hope so!! LOL !! Also, does anyone know the price they are going to be asking for it? I would be interested in the 6gun bundle, intercooler and ram air box. Anyway, thanks for the help!

Chris

Predetorhummer
Jeff told me by monday afternoon they would have prices for us. You can call or go online.
Ron

well its monday afternoon, any word?

I spoke with one of the sales guys who said he wasnīt Gale banks so he couldnīt say when or how many will be released. He did say maybe this week. MAYBE! Not very straight forward and/or their sales team is totally left in the dark. Usually when that is the case it is because they are trouble shooting something. No beta testers out there?

Might go for the EDge.

Is the Banks Tuner going to be able to be updated via the web if there is a glitch in the first release?

Jeff was supposed to call me Monday with prices. Late Monday I called and left a message for him to call me. They sure know how to toe dance and string a person out. I hope their waranty and service isn't the same. Sure am getting tired of getting Bs,d. If I didn't like the way their system is supposed to perform I would have went with another system a long time ago.
Still waiting. If I here anymore I will let ya know.
Ron

i talked with a cuple of the sales guys at there offroad expo booth
i walked away with no relese date but i got the fealing that thay do know a date and are not telling any of us this
when i asked him about the LBZ stoped lookd at the saless guy next to him and said back to me no we dont know and i basicly thought to my self BS! lol and walked away
its like we cant handle the trouth on whats realy happening so thay jsut string us along
so what if the unit needs more testing jsut tell us that and dont keep giving us thees fictional dates id reathger hear its gona be out one year from now rather than o next week , or next monday.. and nothing!:rant:

No Banks for the Vans or Kodiaks . I got the word today , our ecm is different than our LBZ brothers and small in numbers ,so they have no plans in the near future to develop anything for them . Well Boo Hoo Hoo !!! Looks like some other outfit gets to pick my pockets .

Talked to Jeff from banks today, now he says it will be late December. Boy am I getting tired of one story after another. Think I am going to another product. Mabe they don't know their are other Co. that make the same products they do. If they won't be strait with us about when their product will be out then what will they do if you have a problem with their product? Sounds like the right hand don't know what the left is doing. Sorry for the rant. Can't stand being lied to.
Ron

No Banks for the Vans or Kodiaks . I got the word today , our ecm is different than our LBZ brothers and small in numbers ,so they have no plans in the near future to develop anything for them . Well Boo Hoo Hoo !!! Looks like some other outfit gets to pick my pockets .

maybe someone with a little more juice. pun intended.

I'm not trying to stir things up, but I have recieved a personal cell phone call from him when the LBZ air intake came out and once again I got one today about the Six gun tuner for the LBZ. He stated that they are already back ordered for two weeks and they are $700 to $750 without PDA. HP gains stated by him were in the 115 to 130 range with almost 300lbs of torque.

I'm not trying to stir things up, but I have recieved a personal cell phone call from him when the LBZ air intake came out and once again I got one today about the Six gun tuner for the LBZ. He stated that they are already back ordered for two weeks and they are $700 to $750 without PDA. HP gains stated by him where in the 115 to 130 range with almost 300lbs of torque.

those are pretty tall claims. we all know how banks rates their stuff. itll be interesting to see when they come out how they will compare.

I'm not trying to stir things up, but I have recieved a personal cell phone call from him when the LBZ air intake came out and once again I got one today about the Six gun tuner for the LBZ. He stated that they are already back ordered for two weeks and they are $700 to $750 without PDA. HP gains stated by him were in the 115 to 130 range with almost 300lbs of torque.
sniff sniff


Im calling BULL**** on that one !!!!!!!

Ok in all reality Edge came out this week for the LBZ. Now prior to buying my diesel I saw Banks in action and really liked there product and I was straight for buying Banks but after going on this site and reading all the info on Edge I started to sway my opinion. Now so far someone from Edge has been posting in the 40+ page Edge thread and this thread has been wide open for 2 weeks and hasnt had any acknowledgement by Banks or even a Banks sales location.

So .... :wtf1: Unless Im missing something why are we getting smoke blown up our arse?! No answers from you all trying to get ahold of Banks and no contact what so ever. I even checked there website. I still would like to see the info and pricing of the Banks but unless it comes soon I might be comparing it to the Edge already in my truck :boxing:

:rant:

i dont think banks is a vendor here but i could be wrong.

They are a vendor. It would be nice to see them post some information about the six-gun tuner for the LBZ.

Im a big fan of banks, i percieve thier products to be of high quality and well engineered, i have the banks dual monster on my truck, and i always planned on running thier stuff even before i took delivery of my truck. But, why dont they join these posts as was mentioned before? I am getting tired of waiting for thier electronics, sure i appreciate the effort to get the product right, and i probably wont buy anything for a few months after its released (bugs??), im not saying it should be out now - but some feedback on dates would be nice and some kind of info on approximate power and torque increases would be great too.

Lets face it, the kind of guys that are on and reading these pages are usually the 'knowledgable' ones about this kinda thing in their circle of friends (doesnt say much about my friends). Word of mouth is still the best advertising method. Keep us happy and keep us informed. People who want this product have brand spanking new expensive trucks, we are THE demographic companies seek. Banks has lots of fans of thier products but not too many people seem to like thier marketing and sales departments. Shame if these employees end up costing banks lots of money and market share.

When you are ready for real performance and true customization get EFILIVE. LBZ programming is about to be released to the public.
After you have tried it and can see what it can do, You will put Banks,Edge,Bullydog in the same category as Huggies Pull ups.

So when is banks really coming out with a chip for the LBZ. I have talked to a guy with banks twice and both times I heard different and now today I talked to my friend and he says not till christmas. It can't be that long until it comes out but I'm just tired of hearing different dates. So I'm just gunna go with the PPE forget about banks.

So when is banks really coming out with a chip for the LBZ. I have talked to a guy with banks twice and both times I heard different and now today I talked to my friend and he says not till christmas. It can't be that long until it comes out but I'm just tired of hearing different dates. So I'm just gunna go with the PPE forget about banks.


Im getting to that point too, but im thinking of going with hyperpac instead, dont wanna do the edge thing, too many sheep and all that. Shame really, im sure it will be a good product when it comes out.

Eventually though i'll go with efi live, but for my first diesel i want to get into adding power slowly, no point in going balls out straight away before i know what im doing - dont want to break anything just yet.

Hello all, this is my first post and new to the diesel world. I spoke with a Marcos from Banks a few weeks ago and he said 3-4 weeks. Well at the off road expo, they told me another 4-6 weeks. Hopefully it will be worth the wait....

the air box dosent close the egr-the tuning and program in the banks 6 gun does-the reason it does this is because with more airflow through the airbox the maf will set a code

Not sure if I understand this. Why would pulling more air through the air box set a code. To much flow through the egr or is it to much air flow through the mass air flow.

Not sure if I understand this. Why would pulling more air through the air box set a code. To much flow through the egr or is it to much air flow through the mass air flow.
when the ecm tells the egr to open-it expects to see a drop in the mass of fresh air thats being taken in because the egr is supplying exh air after the maf-say theres 100 parts of air without egr-then say when the egr opens theres 20 parts egr-well the ecm expects to see 80 parts fresh air-but if the mass air readings are off the expected value scale the ecm will "assume"there isnt enough egr flow

ok that I understand, The way it sounded, if there was to much air flow through the MAF, it would set a code. That swhy I didn't understand.

Thank you for the info.

Just got off the phone with sales this morning. They are now saying mid December and there is alot on order. I got priced the six-gun package with PDA about $2500.00 (single exhaust/ no techni-cooler )

A

A lot

It maybe alot of B.S., they just want you to give a credit card to get on the priority list. He said something like 2000 on order, but we will see. I will wait to see what happens. It will give me more chance to break-in the truck anyway.

If it is going to take until mid/late Dec for the six gun/ how long until the automind 6 pda? man that is a long time.....G

It's crazy. I recieved a call from my salesman and he told me that the products would be out in a few months. Well the new truck trend mag has a Banks advertizment in it saying it has pda and everything for the duramax 01-06. Ha, the web site dosen't say anything about it though. ):h I don't know, just seems like it's been taking a loooong time!

I got a call from Jeff at Banks on tuesday, I sent an email asking him some questions about price and expected power gains. I bought the banks duals and when the air intake came out he called trying to sell it to me. So i guess (he's my/or im his) biotch when it comes to dishing out power upgrades. :help2: Anyway, aparently there is a big back order list already, and , obviously there are only many units in each production run - so i was asked if i wanted to pre-order.... no. Lets not put the cart before the horse, id like to hear from some beta testers first.


I was quoted around 1300 for the module, PDA and bracket. Expected gains are 110 (ish) RWHP and 295 ft.lbs RW. So thats more power and less money than an edge and an A2, is that right???
:cool2:


I also asked him about the EGR codes, i heard that the banks system now intercepts MAF signals and hence blocks EGR codes. My truck is blocked and fingered so i wanted to know if this would interfere with the banks software. I guess we'll have to wait and see, i would think not, i suppose we should wait for feedback - but im not holding my breath.

yea im thinking EFI Live is the way to go

what ever banks is dooing over there thay are proably gona loose quite a bit of sales to edge or the like because of the delays and lack of keeping ppl informed

Bronson here is something you might want to think about / Banks strung me out for over a year telling me next mo their six gun bundle would be out. Got tired of it and bought a Hypertech111 for $281.00 till the other programers get perfected or come out. It has allot of power and it is safe till something better comes along. Can't beet the price. It will light my dually up through 3 gears and pulls hard. Milage is increased also.
Ron

Guy from Banks emailed me said mid Dec for tuner w/pda. But he didn't say which one the six gun or automind I would prefer the latter.

this has all been such a joke, i called banks last year and they told me it would be out last feb. since then i have talked to them at least once a month just to hear that it would be a couple more weeks each time we talked. I talked to mitch at banks and he told me that it was about 125hp and would be out shipping this dec. so it sounds like we are all hearing a little bit different. I dont want to buy from a company that cant keep their act together like this. i dont see why they would keep giving false information. i think they have too much on their plate with all their other project vehicles and now their involvement in gas engines. i dont think they spent nearly the amount of time actually workign on the tuner for the lbz.

ChevMike / I think your right. They did the same to me.
Ron.

Bronson here is something you might want to think about / Banks strung me out for over a year telling me next mo their six gun bundle would be out. Got tired of it and bought a Hypertech111 for $281.00 till the other programers get perfected or come out. It has allot of power and it is safe till something better comes along. Can't beet the price. It will light my dually up through 3 gears and pulls hard. Milage is increased also.
Ron


You know what man, i think your right, ive seen a few adds for the hypertech III for around 280 buck.... i spend that on a good night out in the bar. So if i can get enough out of this system then why shell out the extra 1000 for the banks.... jeez, i dunno, i'll probably end up with both, can you stack these units???, lol.

I'll wait for banks for a while, but if it takes forever to come out or just doesnt look that good then i might just stick with the hypertech. I mean, and being completly honest here, there is enough power stock (we all know that), but like everyone else i just want to 'play' with my truck, and the power increase with this programmer is probably all i need.

Bronson / Don't know if you can stack the hypertech or not. I was wondering the same thing. I think you can only stack a programer with a tunner. Probably some of the members hear that are more experienced will know. I like the Hypertec but haven't been able to get mine to shift right on level 3. Some of the members have though. The Hypertec is cheap till something better gets out. Good luck.
Ron

Well, just ordered my Hypertech from TSE truck stuff, $282 plus $20 to ship to Canada. Not a bad deal at all, how can you go wrong for $300........ :ro)

I hope the trans learn works well and handles the new power, im thinking this is a TCM issue rather than a programmer issue? Not sure. But i'll find out.

Bronson / Don't know if you can stack the hypertech or not. I was wondering the same thing. I think you can only stack a programer with a tunner. Probably some of the members hear that are more experienced will know. I like the Hypertec but haven't been able to get mine to shift right on level 3. Some of the members have though. The Hypertec is cheap till something better gets out. Good luck.
Ron

On the LB7 and LLY, you can stack a handheld (Hypertech) with a harness box (Banks, Edge)...Hopefully the same is true for the LBZ...Or, just wait until the 2nd week of Dec. for EFI Live...

Well, just ordered my Hypertech from TSE truck stuff, $282 plus $20 to ship to Canada. Not a bad deal at all, how can you go wrong for $300........ :ro)

I hope the trans learn works well and handles the new power, im thinking this is a TCM issue rather than a programmer issue? Not sure. But i'll find out.

As far as shifting issues, it's in the engine tuning...

Are there any other guys that have been getting told a bunch of B.S. from the Banks Sales guys. They have been telling me it will be out in a couple weeks since june. Everytime I call and ask they tell me somthing different. The guy told me that with the 6-gun and PDA my truck will have 525 hp and run a 12.8 1/4 mile. Thats such lie. So Far I did by the Banks cold air and Banks exhaust and then put a MBRP 4inch down pipe on to eliminate the cat.
The power is really good with these few things. NOT sure if I want to buy from them anymore after all their BS. Any one have any other suggestions for programmers.

edge and PPE have worked great for me.