I'm looking for the experience of others on trailer tires.

I have a FourWinds 29QE travel trailer that came with Carlisle ST205/75D15 LR-C tires. These are bias ply tires.

I bought the trailer last spring. This spring while servicing the wheel bearings I noticed that one tire had cracks running along the tread ribs. I contacted Carlisle and they provided a new tire under warranty. Their customer service is top notch.

Yesterday, on the final leg of our trip to Virginia and back to Denver, one of the tires threw the tread. No damage other than the tire. A quick tire change and we were back on the road.

The tires that started their wear this spring look pretty good, but the two that have been on the road since purchase are nearly worn out.

I want to replace the trailer tires and spare with radial tires. With the cracked tire and the thrown tread, I am hesitant to buy Carlisle. I have also heard some negative feedback on Goodyear Marathon trailer tires.

What's a good tire brand for travel trailers?

I also plan to go up to a LR-D if I stay with ST205/75R15 or go up to a ST225/75R15 LR-C for added safety margin. Although the trailer weight is within the rating of the existing tires, it's a bit too close for my comfort.

How about switching over to LT tires?


Look at the EU-168 tires, http://www.maxxis.com/


They have a 215 and a 225.

I tossed 4 carlisle treads last week. They are junk and will never be on my trailer again. I am trying a set of denman tires now.

How about Marathon radials. I have them on my trailer. They seem to hold up well.

Maybe Good Year Wrangler HT? The expensive trailers all seem to have them.

Been there, done that with the Carlisle tires!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif I switched over to Firestone Steeltex Radials 225/75/16LT on my camping trailer after along discussion with Carlisle over their tires failing. Now have over 30,000 miles on the Firestones with no problems whatsoever. I will have to look and see if I kept my one PM about the Carlisle issue and it will explain what the issue is with Carlisle's tires.

Ok, I found my PM that PaperSniper and I were discussing just a few weeks ago. It's kind of long, but here it is as to what happened to me and I know that others are having the same problems with some of the Carlisle tires failing. There are some guys over on the rv.net/forum discussing this issue also (although alot of it is in PM's).


"Here's my history; purchased a 2002 Cedar Creek in October of 2001; trailer's gvwr is 11,400 with a "1,400 lb" tongue weight and then they had 15" rims with Carlisle 225/75/15 tires on them that had a weight rating of 10,160 (2540 each); problem was my trailer did not have 1400 on the tongue and fully loaded ready to go weighed only 9900; I had a stretch of 3 weeks in April/May 2002 where I had 5 of 7 tires fail due to blow outs or tread separations; since my trailer was new and the tires were new I nicely really got on the dealer and the manufacturer; found out that Carlisle was so busy supplying tires to RV manufacturers that they subbed out some of the work to Goodyear and those tires were failing badly; I complained heavily abou the weight issues of really stretching the tires; they outright told me I was at fault for driving over 55 with trailer tires and they were not designed to do that; yea, right; I was upfront and told them I consistently run 70-73 and over 15 years never had this type of problem with trailer tires!! I was also pretty honest when I told them their engineering on weights on the axles and tires needed to be improved and in line with the real world; I wanted to get more capacity (and avoid more blow outs/tread separation) and since I have a friend who owns an independent tire store we tried to solve this problem, and we did; I also got Carlisle and Cedar Creek to pick up the tab on the tire/wheel bill because I strongly felt this was an "engineering" issue and actually got someone at Cedar Creek to agree with me. What we did was change from a 15" rim to a chrome 16" rim along with changing from the Carlisle tires to a light truck tire; and for as much as I hate Firestone tires, Eric talked me into a set of Steeltex (for a long time the GM factory tires on the HD trucks) in a 225/75/16 LT Load Range E; alot of other tires being Goodyear or BFG the profiles of the tires even though they were a "225" were much taller in the profile and would not fit in the fender well areas. So with many doubts about the Firestones but with Eric's blessing, we put a set of Firestone Steeltex's on and I have over 40,000 miles in two years with those tires on with not one problem since! My RV dealer has since replaced some other rim/tire combinations with what I had done because they had other customers with the same problems. Hope this gives you an idea of what you can do!"

Gary,


The company I tow for used Carlisle tires up to about a year ago. I heard others had problems with them but I only had an issue with a wheel, rather than the tire.


They have switched to MILESTAR M108's ST225/75-15. I have not heard of any problems with them. My thoughts are they are cheaper than the Carlisle tires and that's an issue when buying in large numbers. I also think they are made in China but am too lazy to unmount the spare in my truck bed and give it a good read.Edited by: captainmal

Thanks for the feedback.

I had considered changing to a heavier duty tire but have reconsidered since reviewing the numbers (still closer than I would have engineered but definitely within all limits).

I will be getting a set of Goodyear Marathons tomorrow. They're on sale and a brand name so I figure that if I have more trouble down the road It'll be easier to get it fixed (e.g. go to a Goodyear store rather than play UPS tag).

We plan to trade up to a fifth-wheel in the next year or two and tires are now something I'll look more closely at before purchase of the next trailer.

I have ST 225/75-15's on my trailer. Over the years I've had 4 tire failures, 2 Good year Marathon. 1 Carlile and 1 ?. I've weighed the trailer several times to be sure I wasn't over loading and I maintain the pressures at max. The trailer axles were within the weight limits, also side to side, but close, only about 100 lbs from "D" rating. Last fall Titan came out with a "E" rated ST225/75-15 tire. I have over 6000 miles on these tires now with no problems and have several hundred pounds cushion in carrying compacity. I'm much more comfortable with the extra carrying as the last failure caused $4000.00 damage to the trailer before I could get stopped. To my knowledge Titan is the only company making an "E" rated trailer service tire. http://www.titandist.com/pdfs/page49-43-42.pdf


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I'm looking for the experience of others on trailer tires.


Yesterday, on the final leg of our trip to Virginia and back to Denver, one of the tires threw the tread. No damage other than the tire. A quick tire change and we were back on the road.


When this happens with a bias plied tires is is almost always from under inflation or overloading. I suspect under inflation here. Personally I like bias plied tires better on tandum axles because they skid easier in tight turns as they must do in a tandum trailer. Also I recommand at least 15% more tire capacity than you need too for your rated load. Edited by: snoman

When this happens with a bias plied tires is is almost always from under inflation or overloading. I suspect under inflation here.

I am a tire pressure and lugnut torque checking fanatic. That day they were at 50psi. Although I didn't have the trailer on a scale that day, similarly loaded its weighed around 6800 lbs.

Based on what I've read, tread separation is a fairly common problem with the Carlisle Sure Trail tires. The ones I had trouble with were manufactured in Trinidad (not the town in Colorado http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif).

I think they were just really cheap tires that Thor put on the trailer just so they could say it had tires http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.

I had the Marathons put on last week and just returned from a short run (about 70 miles one-way). Trailer seemed to handle a bit better and the tires definitely ran cooler. Scrub is a problem in tight turns like backing in. When I noticed the axles were offset in the parked position, I pulled forward enought to align them and then backed straight in.

When this happens with a bias plied tires is is almost always from under inflation or overloading. I suspect under inflation here.

I am a tire pressure and lugnut torque checking fanatic. That day they were at 50psi. Although I didn't have the trailer on a scale that day, similarly loaded its weighed around 6800 lbs.

Based on what I've read, tread separation is a fairly common problem with the Carlisle Sure Trail tires. The ones I had trouble with were manufactured in Trinidad (not the town in Colorado http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif).

I think they were just really cheap tires that Thor put on the trailer just so they could say it had tires http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif.

I had the Marathons put on last week and just returned from a short run (about 70 miles one-way). Trailer seemed to handle a bit better and the tires definitely ran cooler. Scrub is a problem in tight turns like backing in. When I noticed the axles were offset in the parked position, I pulled forward enought to align them and then backed straight in.

They do not skid well and check TP cold too. I like to see that reserve in rating because it allows for road cornering and braking weight shift loading. Bias tires do not like overloads in warm weather and when I find I have to overload one for a bit I will increase presure another 10 or 15 % beyond max and limit speed. Also, it sounds like you only have 3500lb axles under that trailer and with a 6800 lbs weight no wonder you are having problems. I see so many trailer under axled and I really get a big laugh out of 24 x 8.5 foot fancy enclosed car haulers with 3500lb axles that are overloaded if you put anything more than a geo metro in it. I would not have a trailer with a rated running weight of 7000lb without 5200lb axles and tires. I freind of mine just bought a 7 x 18 trailer for working out of and he had to order it to get 5200lb axles in it or be limited to about a 3500lb payload max instead of over 6500lbs. Edited by: snoman

I also have been thru a few Carlyle and Marathon tread seperations , My tire problems stopped when I bought a set of Cooper ST rated tires (225R15 load range D). Got 7000 miles on them now , all at 70-75 mph and am happy so far.....http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Tin Bender, I have a 2002 with Good Year Marathons that are "E" rated. Just checked after this posting started.

I'm looking for the experience of others on trailer tires.


Yesterday, on the final leg of our trip to Virginia and back to Denver, one of the tires threw the tread. No damage other than the tire. A quick tire change and we were back on the road.


When this happens with a bias plied tires is is almost always from under inflation or overloading. I suspect under inflation here. Personally I like bias plied tires better on tandum axles because they skid easier in tight turns as they must do in a tandum trailer. Also I recommand at least 15% more tire capacity than you need too for your rated load.


Not in my case with those Carlisle tires. They were spot on for inflation and my Jeep only weghs 3500 pounds and the trailer wieghs 2200. There is a serious problem with carlisle tires but I was not that problem.


Go radials or go home.

Carlisle: Don't have a dog in this fight, but I was told today that Goodyear is going to try and get all those 15" tires off the road. I have a number, but have not checked it out yet.





1-800-322-4682 This came off of the Goodyear Sheet a man was using for his problem. So I presume it is good.

braz Edited by: brazos

Braz- same number I got to call Goodyear.


I had a Carlisle tread seperate and do $1600 worth of damage. After nearly 4 weeks of f'in around with Carlisle they finally tell me that they cannot handle my claim, that it has to go through Goodyear. Three different departments at Carlisle and not one of them had a friggin clue! When I talked with Goodyear last week to explain the run around I got from Carlisle and the lack of faith in the other tires still left on the camper, the guy told me that if they found the tire at fault for the damage they would replace all 5 tires with Goodyear Marithons at no charge to me. Carlisle flat out refused to replace the other tires on my camper stating they only replace defective tires. To me, it would be cheaper to replace the defective tires so they wouldn't keep getting damage claims from me. The guy at Goodyear told me once they received the tire from Carlisle they would take about 2 days to make their decision and notify me. At least Goodyear is trying to make good on this, Carlisle just doesn't care.


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Whew, what a mess. For those of you that had the problem, I think they are going to want the manufacturing number off of the tires. And keep them.

4x4man, I have been down this exact road with Carlisle and Goodyear. I can't tell what year your camper is but I have a 2002 Cedar Creek and had those tires coming apart within a few months of getting the trailer and there is some long stories to go along with it. I know I have spoken to others on the rv.net forum about it and I have pretty long pm's that I have shared with others. If your trailer is relatively new, I would also go back to the rv dealer and get them involved and then have them get their factory representative involved also. It worked for me; it took some pretty heavy initial prodding, but I got my point across and got alot of help from Cedar Creek with the tire situation. Knowing what I know now, I would never (and I mean NEVER) put a trailer tire back on a trailer; I have switched my 15" wheels for 16" wheels and LT (Firestone Steeltex in a 225x75x16 load range E) tires on my trailer (my trailer is 32' and 10,000 lbs fully loaded) and now have about 30,000 miles on those LT tires with out one single problem and thats at running 70-75 everywhere we go with that trailer. I think you need to get your rv dealer and factory rep involved!

Sprintmod; without making you do alot of typing, why LT tires over trailer tires?

As it was explained to me by the folks at Carlisle and Goodyear and my local tire guy (privately owned shop, deals in everything). Basically trailer tires are not designed and/or meant to exceed 55 mph. They are however, designed to take a lot of directional load which would be loading side to side and are designed through the rubber compound to not be very "sticky" when going around sharp corners or when turning and either the the front or back tire is able to "slide" more easily. Also, the engineers seem to be specifying tires that just barely are able to carry the maximum load and if you have any imbalance one of the tires is picking up the load and then overheats and you have failure. LT tires are much heavier in the sidewalls and are designed to function at much higher speeds and carry heavy loads. Bad part of an LT tire is that it is sticky so that when you go to turn the tire will grip the road and turn the truck and is on the back axle, grip the road and push your vehicle forward.


My argument with trailer tires is that no one goes 55 or slower with them just because you are pulling a trailer; real world speeds are 55 plus and what I mean is 65-75! So basically by design, they are going to fail after time just due to heat build up just from speed alone. Some engineer needs to get into the real world!!!! So, to make the compromise, I have gone to LT tires to take the weight and the speed. I am careful about going around tight corners or backing up and turning on blacktop where the LT tires are more apt to pull off the rim. So after two plus years and I don't know maybe 30,000 miles or so, I have had no problems whatsoever. The biggest issue was finding a profile of a tire on a 16" rim that would fit in the fender well area of the trailer and we have done that on my trailer with no issues. It's tight, but I have had no rubbing issues. I know my rv dealer has made the same change on other trailers to 16" tires. The other argument is my trailer has a gvw of 11,400 and tires that will only carry 10,160 with the factory 15" tires. You know that these are going to fail. The funny part is that 5th wheels seem to come through with 16" wheels and the heavier tires yet still weigh the same as my tag trailer. Go figure.


But that is a brief explanation of what I was told.

I have rented some car haulers with 15" load range "D" tires on them with 5200lb axles and I have had no problems at speed and those things are usually beat and worn when you rent them too.

Thanx Sprintmod.

Sprintmod,


Thanks for the info and sorry for the late reply. My camper is a 2002 Wildwood, and the tires have a manufacture date of 2001, apparently right in the middle of the tire problems... Went to Pueblo for an extended weekend of fun with some friends. I double trailered down there pulling my friends boat again, no problems with that by the way. Got to the ranger station for checkin and as I walked by the camper, I happened to do a double take on tires on the left side of the camper (non damaged side). Another one of the f%^ing Carlisle tires is bad! It had a bubble about the size of an egg in the sidewall, continuing over to the tread. Real great quality tires. So, got into the campsite and changed the tire. So back to Discount Tire I go this afternoon to get my third replacement tire. If nothing else I get a free replacement tire, so it costs Carlisle more money. Thankfully I was able to see the signs of this tire going before it was able to damage the other side of the camper. Boy would I have been pi$$ed.


I called Goodyear this morning for a status on my claim and they approved it last week!! A check has been mailed, so I look forward to that. Their offer is still out there for 5 new tires, replacing the Carlisles with Marithons. I think I will take 'em up on that for now so I can get these dangerous piece's of chit off my camper on their dime. Then start looking at the 16" upgrade.


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As it was explained to me by the folks at Carlisle and Goodyear and my local tire guy (privately owned shop, deals in everything). Basically trailer tires are not designed and/or meant to exceed 55 mph. They are however, designed to take a lot of directional load which would be loading side to side and are designed through the rubber compound to not be very "sticky" when going around sharp corners or when turning and either the the front or back tire is able to "slide" more easily. Also, the engineers seem to be specifying tires that just barely are able to carry the maximum load and if you have any imbalance one of the tires is picking up the load and then overheats and you have failure. LT tires are much heavier in the sidewalls and are designed to function at much higher speeds and carry heavy loads. Bad part of an LT tire is that it is sticky so that when you go to turn the tire will grip the road and turn the truck and is on the back axle, grip the road and push your vehicle forward.


My argument with trailer tires is that no one goes 55 or slower with them just because you are pulling a trailer; real world speeds are 55 plus and what I mean is 65-75! So basically by design, they are going to fail after time just due to heat build up just from speed alone. Some engineer needs to get into the real world!!!! So, to make the compromise, I have gone to LT tires to take the weight and the speed. I am careful about going around tight corners or backing up and turning on blacktop where the LT tires are more apt to pull off the rim. So after two plus years and I don't know maybe 30,000 miles or so, I have had no problems whatsoever. The biggest issue was finding a profile of a tire on a 16" rim that would fit in the fender well area of the trailer and we have done that on my trailer with no issues. It's tight, but I have had no rubbing issues. I know my rv dealer has made the same change on other trailers to 16" tires. The other argument is my trailer has a gvw of 11,400 and tires that will only carry 10,160 with the factory 15" tires. You know that these are going to fail. The funny part is that 5th wheels seem to come through with 16" wheels and the heavier tires yet still weigh the same as my tag trailer. Go figure.


But that is a brief explanation of what I was told.







I would take a guess that 5th wheels come with bigger wheels for better stabilty because of higher CG and possible loaded weight of trailer. Another curious aspect of this is that who is more at fault hear, the tire or the trailer manufacture for putting too light of axle and wheel under it from day one. It is not wise to build and sell a trailer for traveling a lot in when it is loaded that you are at max capacity of tires and axles all the time. Personally I like to see at least 10 to 15% reserve safety margin with more being better yet.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Dead.gif My buddy called me right after I got to work. His last Carlisle had a blowout. Except, it was in the storage compartment at the time. Guess they will call that an overload again?

Funny this thread would catch my eye the day after coming back from a weekend trip to Iowa, About a mile from home the tread on the left real tandem seperated at 55 mile per hour. Luckily when I got stopped the only damage was the 1 1/2 in grey water line was knocked apart, and the brake wires to that wheel were cut clean so repairs could be done by me with minimal charge. I was running Goodyear Marathons which came with the trailer, ( 1995 Wilderness 30 ft 5th wheel). The tire in question was one of two original with about 5000 miles on it, the other two on the right side I had to replace when vandels cut the sidewalls about 4 years ago. When I went to the Goodyear dealer I was told that no matter how many miles you have on the tire 5 years is all they are good for and that the sun and expansion and contraction of the belts during the season changes are what take there toll. I figure ten years out of a 5 year tire wasn't bad but I replaced the other oldie that day also.

This is true, tire can go bad before they wear out abd frequently do on trailers. Years ago I had a big boat that I got used and sandblaster and painted the frame. It had been towed little and tire looked like new but they were about 10 years old. When I started towing it a lot they started to come apart (rubber off of casing). I replaced them with new bias ply trailer tires and never had anymore problems for the several years I owned it after that even on some hiway trips of several hundred miles in summer heat.

4x4--yea, that's probably when my tires were manufactured also. Trailer is a 2002 that was built in October 2001 for us.


In my dealings with Carlisle and Goodyear and Forest River, they all point the fingers at the other one. Carlisle says they deliver tires according to Forest River's engineers and Forest River says they give the specs and weights to Carlist and Carlisle supplies the correct tires; yea right!


When I bought my trailer, I was told that basically I am getting a highline 5th wheel trailer in a tag configuration, length, weight, etc. are all in line with a good sized 5th wheel. So where are my 16" tires and wheels from the factory?? I got lucky and got the 16" during my replacement wars!


snoman, yes, most everyone will tell you that trailer tires have a life span of 4 years at best; if you use them alot and keep them clean and protected, you might get more years out of them is the tread doesn't wear out first.


I'm lucky, I have a huge garage to keep my trailer in which help with the sun problem.


AND FYI, 4 months ago I bought a new 16' 10,000 lb utility trailer and guess what, all those new Marathon tires that are on it are cracking badly; this trailer has hardly even been put in service; back to the dealer and see if I can get some good tires for this trailer!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


Brazos, if it was inside a storage compartment, they will probabaly claim it got to hot and expanded and blowed out, remember, it got overheated.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I Dont tow a 5th, but instead a 23' deck boat. It originally had Carlisle tires. I had both front tires (tandem axle trailer) go bad on me on the trip home from the lake (one had pretty good trad separation, and the other had a sidewall bubble). Fortuantely neither blew on me before I got them to a local tire dealer. This being my first boat, and probably the 5th time towing it, I chalked it up to my own lax attitude on tire pressure checks prior to trips. I went ahead and got 2 more Carlisle tires to replace them. I started reading in several forums about the problems with Carlisle but the damage was already done and I had started putting miles on the new tires so a return was out of the question. By now, I am religiously checking tire pressures before trips and on fuel stops. I decide that since I am still running old carlisel and they are showing some cracking, I should get a spare. So I get a spare Carlisle from the same dealer (yeah I know Im a glutton for punishment). We take a trip to LAke Cumberland, and ont he way through Louisville, I lose one of the old rear tires (didnt blow just lost all pressure, and could not refill (blowing through cracks.) Thank God I got a spare, but the rest of the trip I was worried about the 4th and final old tire. Luckily it got us home. Well I went and had the bad tire adn the final old tire replaced. So basically I have replaced all 4 original carlisle(which were radial but had a different trad pattern) with 4 new carlisle and 1 spare carlisle. I told the guy what problems that I had and had read about Carlisle. He told mw the same thing about them adn Goodyear. He said that Carlisle is no longer contracting out to goodyear. He told me that last year(when Carlisles were goodyears, they had 249 claims on them (returns, problems.... Complaints and exchanges) and as of the now (Since Carlisle is making their own again) they have had 1. So now that I have made a short story long...it looks like (and I pray to God that it is, since I have 5 of the suckers) Carlisle is making their own tires again and the quality is good. Hope this might give a little insight.... SO I might trust Carlisle now, But I wouldnt touch a Goodyear marathon or otherwise with a 10' pole.

ok guys I need help? I have 2004 rockwood 5th wheel I am blowing carlisle ties on every trip.I always check tire pressure and lugs before I travel.They say there is no problem with there tires,I say BS because last trip tires set at 50lbs check 100 miles into trip 2 of the four tires where reading 61lbs while the other 2 newer tires where reading 54lbs.I don't know what to do I want them to change them they say no.Would someone please help?Traveling friday 13th I will check when I get back mondayhttp://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

The tire pressure will go up as the tire heats up. That is why you should always check them cold. If one set is heating up a lot more than the other, as in your case. It points to one axle having a fair bit more load on it than the other. This assuming that the tires are identical. Changes in tire design will help or hurt the heat buildup.

But one is on the left and one is on the right.I also heard they where getting rid of the 15" tire's and going with 16" tires and different load range then c load?

The tires building more pressure under the same load must be a different internal design. From what you described, they will blow eventually. Just in case they both decide to go in short order I would put them on the same axle. At least then the trailer will stay upright.

I don't have a cure for dealing with the dealer though.

Any chance the alignment is out on the axles? Toe in and toe out? (not sure if this is the correct term)

Check with the rv dealer; are the axles in correct alignment? are the two tires with the higher pressures on the same side of the trailer and would that side also be in the sun?


Just got back from a 12 day 2300 mile trip; the people next to me at the race had a brand new trailer with Carlisle tires on it, maiden voyage, I took one look at the tires and one had a bulge on it (1000 miles) so we put the spare on for him and I gave him the standard Carlisle blow out warning.


We got back yesterday evening so I don't know if they made it home ok with their tires or not; he was going to talk to the rv dealer first.

Carlisle call today four new ones are on the way. I will keep my fingers cross that this will work. They seam to think bad batch but I still don't trust them. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

The tire pressure will go up as the tire heats up. That is why you should always check them cold. If one set is heating up a lot more than the other, as in your case. It points to one axle having a fair bit more load on it than the other. This assuming that the tires are identical. Changes in tire design will help or hurt the heat buildup.

In a tandum axle there is a tendancy for the rear axle tires to run warmer because of reduced air flow over them to cool them and the air they get can be heated by the front tires a bit. Some tandum trailer only have brakes on rear axles too causing them to run warmer too.

Carlisle call today four new ones are on the way. I will keep my fingers cross that this will work. They seam to think bad batch but I still don't trust them. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

From what you said, Left-Right pressure differential, I would have to agree. Bad batch.

So what I am reading here is Carlise and Goodyear Marathon are suspect to fail. I just had a Carlise come apart.


What is another choice, LT tires ? http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif I need tires for my car hauler.

It's funny this thread came up,


My 05 Thor Tahoe Trans 33ft 5er has 16in LT Merit All Country's. My buddy bought a Thor Wander Wagon 33ft 5er that came out of the same building a week after mine and his has the Carlise's on it. Now someone explane that to me.





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Carlise got the bad rep, so the price went down......?