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Old 01-24-2006, 01:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Fram Oil Filter alert !!!

I have posted this before on other sites, figured I might as well save a few engines on this site as well. Check out the oil filter study here:

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

How about this email from a Allied Signal Production engineer(can be found on the same site posted above)

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Russell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.

I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.

I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.

I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing bull****.

If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.

Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime. "

You guys better think twice about running their crap on your rides.

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Old 01-24-2006, 08:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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nothing new to me...

Intersting one of there own feels that way huh? LOL

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Old 01-24-2006, 09:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I Have Been Usin Fram For 45 Years And Still Tickin !!!! Car, Trucks, Boats What Ever!! Butt Everyone Has To Blame There Problems On Something..

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Old 01-24-2006, 10:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I Have Been Usin Fram For 45 Years And Still Tickin !!!! Car, Trucks, Boats What Ever!! Butt Everyone Has To Blame There Problems On Something..

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Anyone can get lucky. If your engines do not produce much wear (and therefor wear material), a mediocre filter might do you fine for a long time, but all it takes is one piece of metal not filtered, to do a bunch of damage. Good Luck.

All you have to do is cut a fram filter open and take a look (compared to others). I was not a believer either until I had a Fram oil filter burst on my John Deere walk behind mower (17HP Kawasaki) motor with <20 hours on the filter (Fram P/N PH5129) which is also used for the following:


Fram PH2951 Extra Guard Oil Filter For Use With Allmand 88-85 Chevrolet 04-01 Chevrolet/GMC Truck Exmark Ford Generac Grasshopper Kawasaki Lawn & Garden Lugger Marine Massey-Ferguson New Holland Nissan Northern Lights Perkins 97-92 Pontiac Truck 94-90 Suzuki 05-99 Suzuki Truck 94-85 Suzuki Truck 87-80 Toyota & Westerbeke.


I used to use them on my cars, trucks, mowers, etc but after that happened I started doing some reading and disecting of filters (Fram vs. competitors) and I learned that you usually get what you pay for. The gentleman was correct in stating that you do get more with the higher dollar Fram's, but it is only a thicker can (not the filtering media)

To each his own though.
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frams are the worst filters out they straight up suck when you cut them open the material that they use and the way it is made is worthless i have seen the cheapest filters cut open and the fram is still worse than the cheap one
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Old 01-24-2006, 12:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I had a friend that never, and I mean never changed his oil filter, on top of that, he would come over and get my used oil to top off his engine, and it ran for many years. So luck can go side by side with foolishness! PS he never blamed Fram either.
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i bought a fram, read a few of those articles, and returned it for a Wix from carquest
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Ok guys, I have been using Fram oil filter in all my auto/trucks forever and have not had engine problem with any of them caused by Fram. Bought one of the first Pontiac 6000 that was a dog with engine/electrical problems and ended up donating it to local high school. Just sold my 95 C1500 with 148,500 miles on it. Engine runs great and uses half quart between changes. Wife's Toyoto has 72K on it and no problems. Had a C2500HD 6.0L and used the Fram and no problems whatsever. Now having said that, based on what the forums "Diesel" take is, I will probably use a WIX Oil Filter. Will stay with Fram for wife's auto.
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I too have had no problem with Fram filters in over 40 years. If Fram is so bad how come we don't hear about court cases and such?
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I too have had no problem with Fram filters in over 40 years. If Fram is so bad how come we don't hear about court cases and such?
Didn't you read the letter: "FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage."

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