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Old 12-07-2011, 02:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Gelled up today...

So today I had a job interview on the west side of St. Louis... 45 miles from my house.

Plugged it in last night, with a 50% bio mix in the tank. Not sure how cold it was overnight, but it was 33 on the mirror when I got in it this morning. Fired right up and was about 110F on the Edge.

Drove over to the interview, getting there early as planned, but 5 miles out started to have issues with it laying over under a load. I was worried about getting there to say the least.

After an hour long interview, I came out with the intention to get to the nearest fuel stop and put 10 gallons of #2 in it (had about a 1/2 tank), which I did...limping it the mile to the fuel station.

It idled while I filled it up and dumped 12 oz of Fuel Service into it. Pulled away and still no power. Wouldn't go over 25 MPH. Pulled into a Christmas tree lot and called a wrecker. They said 45 minute wait for a tow back home.

50 minutes go by and I call them back inquiring where they were. I was told the prior tow had unforeseen "complications" and it would be at LEAST another hour wait before they could get to me, but they would reduce the bill due to my patience and courtesy.

Livid, and wanting to get home after sitting in a parking lot for an hour, I brake torqued it up to 8 PSI of boost. No hesitation or loss of fuel rail pressure. So, I took a chance and hit the road. 70 MPH all the way home, and not a lick of trouble.

Now, here's my thoughts on the gelling, because it DID gel @ B50 mix.

1. It sat plugged in all night, and the under the hood filter stayed warm from the ambient temperature coming from the motor.

2. By the time I got over to the interview, the under hood temps dropped significantly due to the fan airflow.

3. After sitting shut off, the fuel continued to gel in the filter under the hood.

4. The fuel in my filter on the frame rail never gelled or it would have stopped running or refused to go over 25 mph, because there is no ambient heat at the frame rail on a frozen parking lot.


I suspect it's all due to the crappy factory filter with WIF sensor not having enough filter area. Fuel was getting through, but not enough fuel to supply more than idle.

Even though my frame rail filter is 2 Micron, it has much more surface area and thus, may be reduced in flow, but there's enough surface area on the filter to allow enough reduced flow through the filter to power the truck at all loads.

So, I'm contemplating a couple things...

A. A Nicktane adapter and Cat filter.

or

B. This to put on one or both filters, wiring into the SEO port: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Fl...item5d3168995c
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So today I had a job interview on the west side of St. Louis... 45 miles from my house.

Plugged it in last night, with a 50% bio mix in the tank. Not sure how cold it was overnight, but it was 33 on the mirror when I got in it this morning. Fired right up and was about 110F on the Edge.

Drove over to the interview, getting there early as planned, but 5 miles out started to have issues with it laying over under a load. I was worried about getting there to say the least.

After an hour long interview, I came out with the intention to get to the nearest fuel stop and put 10 gallons of #2 in it (had about a 1/2 tank), which I did...limping it the mile to the fuel station.

It idled while I filled it up and dumped 12 oz of Fuel Service into it. Pulled away and still no power. Wouldn't go over 25 MPH. Pulled into a Christmas tree lot and called a wrecker. They said 45 minute wait for a tow back home.

50 minutes go by and I call them back inquiring where they were. I was told the prior tow had unforeseen "complications" and it would be at LEAST another hour wait before they could get to me, but they would reduce the bill due to my patience and courtesy.

Livid, and wanting to get home after sitting in a parking lot for an hour, I brake torqued it up to 8 PSI of boost. No hesitation or loss of fuel rail pressure. So, I took a chance and hit the road. 70 MPH all the way home, and not a lick of trouble.

Now, here's my thoughts on the gelling, because it DID gel @There's your problem IMO B50 mix.
1. It sat plugged in all night, and the under the hood filter stayed warm from the ambient temperature coming from the motor.

2. By the time I got over to the interview, the under hood temps dropped significantly due to the fan airflow.

3. After sitting shut off, the fuel continued to gel in the filter under the hood.

4. The fuel in my filter on the frame rail never gelled or it would have stopped running or refused to go over 25 mph, because there is no ambient heat at the frame rail on a frozen parking lot.


I suspect it's all due to the crappy factory filter with WIF sensor not having enough filter area. Fuel was getting through, but not enough fuel to supply more than idle.

Even though my frame rail filter is 2 Micron, it has much more surface area and thus, may be reduced in flow, but there's enough surface area on the filter to allow enough reduced flow through the filter to power the truck at all loads.

So, I'm contemplating a couple things...

A. A Nicktane adapter and Cat filter.

or

B. This to put on one or both filters, wiring into the SEO port: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Fl...item5d3168995c
C. Use straight diesel fuel w/ a good additive and press on....the hell with 50% mix
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Wannabe - Not sure, but it almost sounds like you popped the fuel pressure relief valve. I've had that happen before and it doesn't always set off a check engine light. Sometimes the bio will thicken just enough to make that pop. When you shut the truck off for 5 minutes, it resets and full rail pressure again. I don't think when you topped it off with petro that it had enough time and movement to mix with the B50 where you didn't make it very far down the road, so that tells me it wasn't a gelling issue. I know here locally our over night lows have been in the high 20's with a daytime high in the upper 30's and I haven't had any issues still running B100. Also I do park my truck in a garage overnight, but don't plug it in as the garage temp in the morning when I leave is around 50*. Sorry to hear of your troubles.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Will it set a code if it pops the pressure relief valve?

The truck was never shut off after firing it back up to return home from the interview. I just let it sit and idle for an hour.
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Well, this doesn't make much sense.... Just left to run a 6 mile (each way) errand and the truck ran fine on the way there.

On the way back, it was losing fuel pressure.
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It still has too much bio in the fuel. The 2 micron frame filter is the culprit...been there too many times ...stinks!
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OK. I thought you shut it off while waiting for the tow truck. Eddy is probably right that it is the 2 micron frame filter.
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For the $25.00, I think I'm going to try that 70W heater and hose clamp it to the filter and tie it into the lift pump wiring. Wrap it then with some fiberglass insulation to keep the heat in and give it a go.

If it is indeed the filter, that should warm it up enough to allow it to flow through. If it's not, then I have other issues...

Like I think I mentioned, the truck slightly surged over the summer... Might be the fuel pressure valve.
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Another thing I don't know if I mentioned to you in previous discussions. Have you removed the fuel cooler mounted in front of the tank? It looks like a trans cooler in the fuel return line. I found that removing that let the return fuel back to the tank be warmer, thus warming the fuel in the tank. I got a connector to thread onto the fuel lines at my local hardware store.
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No, it's still on there, but I was considering wrapping it with shrink wrap.

I ordered the heater from my first post. Just a tick under $30.00 shipped. I'll hose clamp it to the 2 micron filter, then tap into the wiring on the lift pump. Heater pulls 6 amps. May also shrink wrap some fiberglass insulation to the filter over the heater.
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- 20" Wheels w/275/55/20 XL Hancook Ventus AS tires
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