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Old 08-27-2007, 12:07 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I am also surprised that Stanadyne's Performance Formula didn't do any better that 33 micron improvement for lubricity.

I think that the lubricating properties in Performance Formula were OK with the old 500 ppm LSD fuel, but ULSD fuel is really dry and I don't think they changed their formula.

However, keep in mind that Performance Formula has other major benefits besides lubricity:
  • Wax Modifier / Pour Point Depressant
  • Wax Dispersant
  • Alcohol-Free
  • Freeze Depressant
  • Deposit Modifier
  • Detergent
  • Lubricant
  • Corrosion Inhibitor
  • Water DEMULSIFIER
  • Anti-Oxidant
  • Cetane Improver
Although lubricity is very important, these other benefits are very important to me as well. So I will continue using their Performance Formula. I'm going to start using their Lubricity Formula along with Performance Formula. I figure with both combined, I should be in good shape. I can cut back a little on the Performance Formula to balance out the dose of Lubricity Formula.
But Stanadyne says that using both PF and LF is not necessary. Maybe they need to reformulate PF... But, what do I know...

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Old 08-27-2007, 12:17 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I have been adding Stanadyne Performance to every tank. I run a lot of Jet A too. I add both the Performance and Lubricity Formula to the jet fuel. At 26k all my injectors are around 1 except I have one at 1.9. It must be working. I am going to look at FPPF when I run out of the case of Stanadyne I just bought.
My problem with FPPF is that it contains EMULSIFIERS. Everything I have read from all diesel manufacturers along with my work with diesel injection systems tells me NOT to use emulsifiers, even if they don't use alcohol. I prefer to trap any water in the water separator rather than running the risk of the water getting past the filter/separator and condensing out inside the injection system components causing big damage later on.

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Old 08-27-2007, 12:29 AM   #63 (permalink)
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My problem with FPPF is that it contains EMULSIFIERS. Everything I have read from all diesel manufacturers along with my work with diesel injection systems tells me NOT to use emulsifiers, even if they don't use alcohol. I prefer to trap any water in the water separator rather than running the risk of the water getting past the filter/separator and condensing out inside the injection system components causing big damage later on.
I just finished reading the information on their website. I agree about emulsifiers. I will stick to my Stanadyne. It seems to be doing the job and GM likes it too.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:34 AM   #64 (permalink)
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But Stanadyne says that using both PF and LF is not necessary. Maybe they need to reformulate PF... But, what do I know...
Yes, they have said that it was not necessary, but I believe that was the case before ULSD became the mainstream fuel.

In the FAQ they have posted on their website (SEE HERE)

They say,
Q. Would I improve lubricity by mixing Performance Formula and the Worldwide Blend Lubricity Formula? Is it necessary?
A. Yes, lubricity would improve by using Lubricity Formula (World Blend), and you can mix our additives, but it is not necessary to use PF and Lubricity Formula, unless you are using 100% Jet fuel or Kerosene.
I would speculate that the current unadditized ULSD with a 636 HFRR score is pretty close to what the old kerosene used to score for lubricity.
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Actually looking at the results 2 stroke did about as well as most. Most of the numbers in there are very close together and within the statistical margin of error. I probably am runing it at higher than 200 to 1 so hopefully it has done a bit better. I think the B100 option looks real good. May have to buy a few extra gas cans to keep around!
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Actually looking at the results 2 stroke did about as well as most. Most of the numbers in there are very close together and within the statistical margin of error. I probably am running it at higher than 200 to 1 so hopefully it has done a bit better. I think the B100 option looks real good. May have to buy a few extra gas cans to keep around!
Unfortunately, this study was unable to evaluate other characteristics from these additives. The cost would have been prohibitive.

I do know that GM and the Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers specifically say NOT to use, engine oils, transmission fluid, or 2-stroke (2-Cycle) oil as a fuel additive in their diesel engines and/or injection systems. Those oils have not been designed to mix with diesel fuel and will create ash and other undesirable byproducts of combustion that can damage injection systems and engines.

I know a lot of people here couldn't care less about emissions, but the EPA also frowns on using then as fuel additives in diesel fuels. Poisoned catalytic converters and DPF, as well as failed injection systems caused by unapproved fuel additives would not be covered by warranty.

GM is starting to require the dealers to collect fuel samples from vehicles with failed injection systems.
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Thanks for the hard work SPICER.

What I was using didn't do too bad. Power Service was 10th. I'll get the 5% Bio sold here locally from now on.

Any chance of running Kerosene or a Diesel / Kerosene mix through the tests in the future?
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Yeah I am surprised about the performance of the bottom 3.
Marvel Mystery Oil especially since its been around and claimed lubricity benefits for a long time.
Spicer are you going to send results directly to contacts at all the companies. I'd like to read thier rebutal and will try and note any change in marketing in the future.

Back to the bottom 3. Since thier results are out of statistical range of error for the test how do they claim lubrication benefits if they fail this test so bad? I can see even or no improvement but that much worse?
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Yeah I am surprised about the performance of the bottom 3.
Marvel Mystery Oil especially since its been around and claimed lubricity benefits for a long time.
Spicer are you going to send results directly to contacts at all the companies. I'd like to read thier rebutal and will try and note any change in marketing in the future.

Back to the bottom 3. Since thier results are out of statistical range of error for the test how do they claim lubrication benefits if they fail this test so bad? I can see even or no improvement but that much worse?
Look at post 55. Hopefully the companies will respond. We would all feel great if SPICERs' hard work and our contributions force companies to improve their products. The little guy might win one. Probably wishful thinking.
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Excellant info Spicer! Anybody know where I can buy Opti-Lube stock?

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