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Old 08-26-2007, 10:47 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I'm disappointed that Primrose Power Blend 2003 was chosen for this study, instead of Primrose 405 (or 405C) which I believe to be a far more popular product from the Primrose line.

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Old 08-26-2007, 11:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I still can't get over the fact that another form of diesel fuel (bio) has come out superior in lubrication abilities than ALL other lubricity products on the market. And, at 2%, it's not that expensive either. In fact, it's cheaper than many of the commercial additives tested on this study. Amazing!

If B2 is that good, B100 must be slippery as owl shite! I wonder what B100 would have tested at on the HFRR test... (Yes, I realize there's some drawbacks to running B100, especially in cold weather.)

I was really disappointed in Stanadyne's PF results in the study. While it did improve lubricity somewhat, it did not rank well in the final results. I'm sure it has other benefits, just not real great in the lubricity department. I've been using it for the last two years.

B100 will be my additive from now on...

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Old 08-26-2007, 11:25 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Great work SPICER. Thanks for putting in the long hours. Did the companies that payed to test their own additive request the findings of the study? It would be interesting to know their reactions or what they say to defend their product. There was some well known products toward the bottom. I bet you may have changed the industry. We will be seeing "new and improved" on some bottles in the future. You are changing the diesel world one part at a time. Great work.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:29 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Great job Spicer!

Looks like I'll reserve my remaining Stanadyne Performance Formula for deep freeze cold snaps. I'll hit Wally World for some 2-stroke oil as I don't see much bio around here.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:32 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Great work SPICER. Thanks for putting in the long hours. Did the companies that payed to test their own additive request the findings of the study? It would be interesting to know their reactions or what they say to defend their product. There was some well known products toward the bottom. I bet you may have changed the industry. We will be seeing "new and improved" on some bottles in the future. You are changing the diesel world one part at a time. Great work.
Not all of the companies requested to get a copy of the results, but I am sure they are all interested. They did make the investment to be included after all. I would like to get their reactions also. My personal life is crazy right now. I don't have an afternoon to send e-mails to all participants right now. I will try sometime soon, but there is no light at the end of the tunnel right now. SPICER
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Interesting results......Good work once again.

Ive never heard of the Opti-Lube XPD, is it available to the buying public yet?
It is interesting how well this product, Opti-Lube XPD, tested. But, since the product is not yet available on the open market, AND the tested sample came direct from the manufacturer, I would be a little suspicious of it at this point. That, and the cost don't make it that attractive, even if it were readily available. Just my .02. YMMV.

Did someone slip us a 'mickey' ??
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Great job Spicer!

Looks like I'll reserve my remaining Stanadyne Performance Formula for deep freeze cold snaps. I'll hit Wally World for some 2-stroke oil as I don't see much bio around here.
Someone could make a fortune marketing half-gallon jugs of B100 via Walmart!
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I still can't get over the fact that another form of diesel fuel (bio) has come out superior in lubrication abilities than ALL other lubricity products on the market. And, at 2%, it's not that expensive either. In fact, it's cheaper than many of the commercial additives tested on this study. Amazing!

If B2 is that good, B100 must be slippery as owl shite! I wonder what B100 would have tested at on the HFRR test... (Yes, I realize there's some drawbacks to running B100, especially in cold weather.)

I was really disappointed in Stanadyne's PF results in the study. While it did improve lubricity somewhat, it did not rank well in the final results. I'm sure it has other benefits, just not real great in the lubricity department. I've been using it for the last two years.

B100 will be my additive from now on...
I am also surprised that Stanadyne's Performance Formula didn't do any better that 33 micron improvement for lubricity.

I think that the lubricating properties in Performance Formula were OK with the old 500 ppm LSD fuel, but ULSD fuel is really dry and I don't think they changed their formula.

However, keep in mind that Performance Formula has other major benefits besides lubricity:
  • Wax Modifier / Pour Point Depressant
  • Wax Dispersant
  • Alcohol-Free
  • Freeze Depressant
  • Deposit Modifier
  • Detergent
  • Lubricant
  • Corrosion Inhibitor
  • Water DEMULSIFIER
  • Anti-Oxidant
  • Cetane Improver
Although lubricity is very important, these other benefits are very important to me as well. So I will continue using their Performance Formula. I'm going to start using their Lubricity Formula along with Performance Formula. I figure with both combined, I should be in good shape. I can cut back a little on the Performance Formula to balance out the dose of Lubricity Formula.
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It is interesting how well this product, Opti-Lube XPD, tested. But, since the product is not yet available on the open market, AND the tested sample came direct from the manufacturer, I would be a little suspicious of it at this point. That, and the cost don't make it that attractive, even if it were readily available. Just my .02. YMMV.

Did someone slip us a 'mickey' ??

I thought the same thing too
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I have been adding Stanadyne Performance to every tank. I run alot of Jet A too. I add both the Performance and Lubricity Formula to the jet fuel. At 26k all my injectors are around 1 except I have one at 1.9. It must be working. I am going to look at FPPF when I run out of the case of Stanadyne I just bought.

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