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Old 08-26-2007, 07:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Hmmm...

SPICER... thanks a ton for all the work on this study. One logical question that arises is... for the top x performers (x being perhaps the top 4, the top 10, or perhaps all of the additives that improve HFRR over the baseline), which ones actually provide the greatest cetane boost? In other words, though this is a lubricity study, it would be of interest to know which additive not only improved fuel lubricity but also improved combustion performance.

This information would be useful, I think (correct me if I'm wrong), to predict the most performance-improved additive as well as the most lubricity-improved additive. The intersection of those two values, it would seem, would fill in one of the missing blanks. Combined with the cost per tank, which you've already provided, this would make a decision pretty simple, mostly a matter of economics (how much am I willing to pay per tank?).

Or... does this information already exist elsewhere? Again, thanks a bunch!

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SPICER... thanks a ton for all the work on this study. One logical question that arises is... for the top x performers (x being perhaps the top 4, the top 10, or perhaps all of the additives that improve HFRR over the baseline), which ones actually provide the greatest cetane boost? In other words, though this is a lubricity study, it would be of interest to know which additive not only improved fuel lubricity but also improved combustion performance.

This information would be useful, I think (correct me if I'm wrong), to predict the most performance-improved additive as well as the most lubricity-improved additive. The intersection of those two values, it would seem, would fill in one of the missing blanks. Combined with the cost per tank, which you've already provided, this would make a decision pretty simple, mostly a matter of economics (how much am I willing to pay per tank?).

Or... does this information already exist elsewhere? Again, thanks a bunch!
You are right, the study only reflects lubricity improvement. I am sure that there are tests to verify cetane improver also. I was only able to IMPLY that an additive had cetane improver. This assumption was based on the information provided to us the consumers. No effort was made to verify this claim. Cost and time are the reasons for not verifying cetane ability. Also, many additives claimed to "improve power". I did NOT translate this to mean "improves cetane". If an additive company can prove to me that their product boosts cetane but did not advertise it as such, I will update the records. Opti-Lube Summer, a top performer in this test, does NOT have a cetane improver. Opti-Lube Winter, another top performer, DOES improve cetane. I was told this is because the winter fuels lack the cetane found in summer blend fuels.
As far as I know this information has never been documented anywhere other that by the individual additive companies. Whether or not they would be willing to share this info is another question. SPICER
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:35 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Excellent write-up. Very informative and easy to understand. Thanks to SPICER and everyone else who contributed.
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks for you're work, very informative. Now I have to go out and find a supplier for my new additive.

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Now, if we could only find 100% bio-diesel easily! These results are somewhat shocking!

Thanks again, Spicer, for all your hard work!
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Thank you so much for your time Spicer. Once again you have provided an invaluable resource for us! :
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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SPICER, thank you for all of your hard work pulling off this very important study.

I am sure a lot of people are going to spend time analyzing and trying to digest the data to make the best choice for their particular application.

Way to go man!!!

You have performed a great service for the Diesel community.

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Good job, Arlen! Nice to know that my WalMart 2-cycle oil is not bad for my engine and actually one of the top performers. I guess my lesson from this is that if you can't find bio to make B2, you can get by with 2-cycle available anywhere.
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