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Old 01-26-2007, 05:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i just bought a bottle of this stuff today, i bought some k100 for the wifes car and saw the k100d for the diesles so i grabbed it , i'm glad i havent used it yet after reading this thread. wasnt aware of gm's policy about it . i did use some anti gell the other day ,i'll have to check the bottles label and see what was in it .
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The K100's basis is bad for any diesel injector pump. As stated before the idea is for the water seperatror to be able to do it's job. Emulsifying the water is a bad idea. in this case. it would be okay in a bulk storage tank to remove the water and the 10 micron filter shoulod catch it and by the time it get to your tank you should be okay.
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The idea behind getting the water to mix with the fuel is to get it to the filter. Once it gets to the filter it should become trapped and then it can be removed. I think
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Old 01-26-2007, 09:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The idea behind getting the water to mix with the fuel is to get it to the filter. Once it gets to the filter it should become trapped and then it can be removed. I think
I disagree. Once emulsified, it will make it through the filter to the I.P. and beyond.
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:32 AM   #15 (permalink)
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You guys have brought up some good questions which i will be asking manufacturer on Mon. Neither the bottle or the literature say anything about contents other than it is an all-organic chemical compound. Just tried calling them and obviously no one was there. I will keep everyone posted on my results with the manufacturer, i am sure they will try to blow smoke up my a**. I would hate to do injector damage if i dont have to. I know these injectors are are under different loads than a gasser which is what i have worked on in the past. Just trying to keep from changing filters all the time due to water and i sure dont want a fuel line to freeze. I have seen two powersmokes in the past three days with hoods up in parking lots. Both times i stopped to see if the guys were alright, one fellow had a relative bringing him a new fuel filter which he said was the second time in a week and the other fella was changing his in the parking lot and was freezing his a** off. Rather not be there myself, i cant be late for work or i get written up and i dont need to break down on the way home at midnight in below-0 weather.
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I disagree. Once emulsified, it will make it through the filter to the I.P. and beyond.
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Old 01-27-2007, 11:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I was intrigued about this product so I sent out an E-mail to get to the bottom. I will post the E-mail that I sent out and the response that I got back. I am still not sure. Maybe some of the readers can help read through this and help. It sounds interesting.

I am interested in your product, however, your website does not explain what the product base is. Is it an alcohol base? Does your product work by emulsification of water, or demulsification? I own a GM Duramax Diesel, and I was wondering if it is safe to use? Any help will be greatly appreciated!


Jeff,

K 100 acts differently than all those other treatments. Some are based on a simple alcohol and will make a milky emulsion when mixed with water—other ingredients will also make the milky emulsion so it’s not just simple alcohol.

Some products are specifically formulated to force all water out of a suspension with the fuel—often called de-emulsifiers.

K 100 is neither. When mixed with water K100 breaks the hydrogen bond between the individual water molecules, and then forms a permanent shell around the individual molecules by a valence bond. This results in a clear solution that will not separate, nor will it “unbond” with the water. There is no white milky stuff to clog filters.

Now, as to what is in our formula—that’s a secret. But it does contain butyl cellosolve which does have an O-H at the end of the chain. So technically it does contain an alcohol—but NOT the common wood alcohol.

I’ve attached a memo on that subject.

Now as to using it. K 100 has been in use for over 25 years. It has been successfully run in all sorts of diesel equipment. In fact CAT and Komatsu use it in their repair trucks and shops. We have Volvo and Mercedes shops that use it and recommend it. The real secret with k 100 is that it absolutely eliminates all water problems, provided you use it at recommended ratios. To overcome existing water contamination we recommend that you put in 50% more K 100 than you have water. If you don’t know how much water you have then add it at 1 quart for 100 gallons.

For general maintenance purposes we recommend 1:1000, except that in colder climates you should go to 1:500 during the winter. By the way K 100 will also add much needed lubricity to the new ULSD.

Too little does no good, too much does no harm.”

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From: Tim Booth, Kinetic Laboratories [mailto:tbooth@K100fueltreatment.com]
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:10 AM
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Subject: Fw: Deisel Fuel Supplement K100

This is a copy of the attachment that was sent with the return E-mail:

The term alcohol refers to a whole family of chemicals that include an Oxygen Hydrogen compound connected to a central Hydrogen Carbon chain. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of different alcohols in this family which may do good things in certain situations and bad things in another. A comparison is “good” cholesterol and “bad” cholesterol.

Does K100 contain alcohol? In a strict sense K100 does contain an alcohol. The alcohol compound used in the formulation of K100 was specifically chosen to eliminate water contamination in fuels, acting like “good” cholesterol.

In the past the “Use No Alcohol” warning has referred to certain “bad” alcohols that were added to gasoline to try to mitigate the effect of moisture contained in the fuel system. “Bad” alcohols will combine with water and form a weak or watery alcohol, but do not alter the hydrogen bond between the water molecules and merely dilute the water. Over time the “bad” alcohol will vaporize off leaving behind all of the original water.

Additionally, certain of the “bad” alcohols will dry out and embrittle many rubber fuel system components. In 2-cycle and diesel engines, which rely on the lubricity of the fuel, the use of certain “bad” alcohols will dilute the lubricant and reduce its friction-fighting capacity. These “bad” alcohols have been acting like the “bad” cholesterol.

K100, with its “good” alcohol, eliminates water and does not break down rubber in fuel line hoses, o-rings, and other fuel system components.

We are careful about using the word alcohol because without knowing the specific chemistry of which alcohol is under consideration there can be no blanket statement.

What’s in K100? K100 Fuel Treatments are proprietary formulations derived by Alice Otto, our founder, to deal with moisture contamination in fuels. Without revealing the entire formula or process, the greatest single component in the product is variously known as Butyl Oxitol, Butyl Cellosolve, Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether, 2-Butoxyethanol. The choice of the raw materials and the processing of them focused on a final product that would break the weak hydrogen bond between the water molecules and then use that valence to permanently bond a combustible shell to the water molecule.

Once the challenge of dealing with the water was met, certain other compounds were incorporated to improve the cleaning effect, increase shelf life of the fuel, increase lubricity of the fuel, increase cold temperature operation, and modify the fuel itself to increase atomization and improve the fuel/energy conversion process.

Today we are using fuels that contain all sorts of additives to increase octane or cetane, eliminate static electricity, increase lubricity, suppress gel points, reduce ash deposits, balance PH and such. Among these additives are more members of the alcohol family, including ethanol, which is itself a “good” alcohol.


What's the general consensus?

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If it's been in use for over 25 years why are they so unknown? I am in the diesel and fuel industry and haven't even heard a hint of them until now.
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It is new to me around here so i cant answer that although the bottle says it is manufactured here in NY but doesnt say where in NY. As usual there has been very good questions and answers so far which is why i joined this forum. I am still going to call them Monday and look for some more answers. And a thanks to RI CHEVY SILVERADOMAN for his search info which i felt answered quite a few answers for me. I am wondering what type of warranty do they give with their product for any parts damage/replacement due to failure caused by their product. I will find out soon.
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K100 Fuel Additive

If the product works as advertised, and as the company says it does, it should be a good alternative to add one bottle every few months, to get any water out of the fuel system. I am not sure about a steady diet of K100, but use it as medicine every few months. I think I will still stay with Stanadyne. K100 also costs more.

We can still open the little drain valve in our fuel filters and drain whatever water has been trapped in the filter, and not have to worry about having water damage the injectors. I guess time will tell. I hope to hear from any users (guinea pigs LOL) out there!
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