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Old 02-16-2009, 10:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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3500HD Dually vs F-450 vs Ram 3500 ??

Hello All,
Well I guess I am going to have to enter the dually world faster than I had hoped. Last weekend I tried pulling my "LIFTED" 40ft WW Full Throttle Toyhauler with my truck (in sig). It pulled it great until the wind starting blowing me around. Of course the trailer was completely empty and I brought the wife with me to show off. Well that was a bust because after the wind blowing us almost off the road a couple of times she said you either get another truck to pull this beast or she won't be in the truck whenever we go on trips.

A friend of mine suggested the F-450 because I could pull a house with it and still be stable but I HATE the idea of buying a FORD. AS far as the Dodge goes according to their website it can't handle as much weight as the Chevy/GMC can so their out. I will be using this vehicle as my daily driver so a Kodiak or Topkick really won't work for me.

Do any of you with your 3500HD duallys pull 17K pound plus trailers and have difficulties? Do you ever feel like your truck doesn't have the stability "really" needed to safely pull these trailers around? I would really like to stay with a GMC but don't want to buy one and pretty much be in the same boat. And, how about braking, any issues with your truck when trying to stop all that weight behind you? What mods are "absolutely" essential? I am assuming at least a 4in exhaust but do I need a programmer? I have an Edge Evo in my truck now but I don't think it will work for a 3500HD.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Might not be the answer you are looking for, but have you considered a 5th wheel toyhauler instead of your bumper pull toyhauler ? The 5th wheel will tow so much better than your existing trailer. There are several members on the board that are towing 5th wheel haulers with lifted 2500's that seem to do quite well. Check in with Nor Cal Nick as I beleive he pulls a pretty good size 5th wheel hauler with a mildly lifted dually.

Yup, A dually will tow your existing trailer much better than a lifted CC SB truck. I have towed with both and hands down the dually rules. My current truck ( cause everything is for sale at the right price ) is an 07 GMC 3500 HD Dually Crew SLT with Sunroof and DVD. Only drivetrain mods are a Hypertech tuner and AFE cold air intake. The stock tires are junk, Just cannot justify buying a new set of tires and wheels right now.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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before you spend 50k on a new truck, the trailer being lifted is going to make is way worse in the wind then a "normal" hight trailer. you proably will not be happy with anything less then a medium duty..
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Buying the dually will be a night and day difference compared to your truck. Stick with GM, it will handle that load easily. The truck has the stability and braking needed without a doubt. No mods are needed but if you want the ride to be better you could consider some air bags for the rear, and programmer/exhaust(if it is lmm) if you want more power.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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a 40' toyhauler is a 5th wheel setup. #1 lose the lift on the truck & the trailer. A lifted truck is not made to tow a 5th wheel toyhauler of that size. I am purchasing the Fuzion 393 40' toyhauler soon. And since I knew I was getting a TH that big, I went with a dually, and I am keeping the suspension completely stock.
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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X2 above. Dually and lose the lift. I tow a large 5th wheel and the center of gravity is bad enough as it is without raising it even more. I know it sucks I love a lifted truck as much as the next guy. My last truck and trailer was lifted. When I bought my new truck and trailer my "plan" was to lift them as well then I took them on a trip and got caught in a wind storm. The lift plan went right out the window and blew on to Kansas. My new truck never moved and felt rock solid while my last rig was a white knuckle ride like you had. Keep the lifts on the toys in the trailer and get an old Jeep to lift to the clouds.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:08 AM   #7 (permalink)
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What is the loaded weight of the trailer? Scaled, not what you think it is. I would be willing to bet it's heaver than you think. Which brings up the point of which truck will keep you legal? Not only in a ticket perspective, but should you ever be involved in an accident it can be a major headache. Beyond that, if anyone is hurt in that accident you're automatically at fault for being over weight, and that can spell disaster in all aspects of your life.

I would load up the trailer and weight it, then let that be your deciding factor.

Personally, I can tell you the F450 will make a 3500HD feel like a toy when it comes to comfortably towing the big loads. Drive one and you'll quickly understand why. Beyond that, since they changed the front suspension the turning radius is Huuuuuuuuugely improved.

Only thing is the way they are geared you do not want to daily drive it. 4.88's bring the hurt if you're trying to cruise over 70.

Try to put your unjustified reactions aside and drive the trucks. I love my HD, but sometimes you're just got to have the right tool for the job.
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We had the same problem as you do now. Bought a 40 ft toyhauler and had a single wheel pickup only ours was a F350.

When the toyhauler was bought we knew a dually was going to be needed to pull this tayhauler safely, but we wanted to get by till this spring. One trip we took last september we ended up in a 40 mph wind with our F350 on interstate 50 mph was the fastest we could go the pickup just wasn't stable at all. Not enough rubber on the road boy that was no fun!

We ended up borrowing a Dually for another weekend trip and it pulled it with no problem in the wind and otherwise. This pickup was completly stock.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:29 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks guys for the info. And, it's not that I hate ford its just that I love my GMC so much more. Also, my father-in-law has owned both a 7.3L & a 6.0 and both of those have been junk.

Know anyone that wants a lifted 2500HD?
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Old 02-17-2009, 12:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Got rid of my 2500 for the reasons listed above. It was a great truck, it just didn't have a stable back end when the 37' 5er was attached. I like 4 in the back.
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