Trying to see if there is a trend. I currently run an emulsifier but since todays additives were developed for lower pressure applications I can't help but wonder how they stand up to + 23000. In short we are seeing higher system pressures but additives have remained the same. Does the emulsifier water encapsulation process withstand the pressure extremes? Does water separate in the system post filtration with demulsifiers? I'm hoping we will have enough votes to see a trend in relation to injector problems so I decided to give it a shot. Not so much by brand but emulsification/demulsification alone.
as I have used both de and emulsifiers and had injector issues. I have been using emulsifies and cetane boost since the new injectors (IIRC) and had no further issues. Edited by: chuntag95
Emulsify 12/24/7 and Cat 2um going in for all 8 on the 22nd.Soooooo in my eyes the whole theory on final filtering and lubricity water dispersement is Bologna. If you have the "bad" injector (s) it doesn't matter,it's going down.
Perhaps ,just maybe,in the long haul,but I doubt I'll keep it that long or any truck for that matter for it to matter ,to me!
I figured since most here Emulsify in order to get equally representative data the poll would have to be broken down into the 3 classes. Then at the end we can get a percentage from each class. Hopefull we will have enough votes to see a somewhat accurate trend that we may benefit from. Then maybe we can move on to product brands within the best scoring class. Brands may be tough to trend as the votes would be fewer but even if this segment alone is somewhat conclusive it should be helpfull for those like myself trying to decide.
The poll also gives this baseline. Just add the 3 (injector issues) percentage numbers together. So far it looks like about 10%.
On edit it would be helpfull if someone can post the different brands of additives so everyone would know which class they are in. Heres a couple that I'm sure of. Any others would be helpfull.
I wouldn't think there is enough responses yet to say this is conclusive but the trend so far would lean toward additives (any) helping somewhat. I would think the cumulative effect of additives and secondary filtration would be even more beneficial. Lets see what happens. Hope we get more votes and this doesn't die. Really need more for a clearer end result.
The score so far as reported: Total injector issues overall = 7.82%
Stanadyne Performance--ever since I read about it here (about 15k) and most recently double dosing ("injector paranoia"). 2um pre-oem as well (again at 15k) but changed the oem @13k. No smoke yet but an intermittent rough/louder idle at stoplights (again, probably just injector paranoia).
edit: One thing I haven't seen mentioned on injector issues is where in the country the problems are happening. Someone should start a pole indicating what city and state you live in and if you've had injector problems or not. I would think that the information could be plotted on a map by some smarty
Stanadyne Performance--ever since I read about it here (about 15k) and most recently double dosing ("injector paranoia"). 2um pre-oem as well (again at 15k) but changed the oem @13k. No smoke yet but an intermittent rough/louder idle at stoplights (again, probably just injector paranoia).
edit: One thing I haven't seen mentioned on injector issues is where in the country the problems are happening. Someone should start a pole indicating what city and state you live in and if you've had injector problems or not. I would think that the information could be plotted on a map by some smarty
Good point! I find it interesting you say this. I often wondered what the difference would be between the North and South. Problems here in the South appear to be few and far in between. I am good friends with the folks at my dealership and they tell me that fuel system problems are extremely rare. I do know for a fact that winter blends of fuels (#1) has less lubricity and film strength than that of #2 fuel. It would be interesting to see a poll comparing those who seasonally use winter blends vs. plain ole #2 which is used year round here in the South.
FPPF=Emulsifier + post OEM Mega Filter ... she may conk out on the way home from work today but currently 78,000+ miles on our early '02 ('01 injectors) without any engine issues (not even a computer reflash) to date
It's just my personal take on additives, but I used Stanadyne religiously in my 1999 6.5TD Tahoe with the Stanadyne injection pump. It's a good additive for the system that it's designed to lubricate, but I'm sticking with FPPF for my Bosch HPCR system!
I think Mac was at 46K or something low mileaged like that....
I had 47K first year I owned mine.
Called dealer today, Injectors delivery still undefined. Other truck waiting there just got theirs. Took 5 weeks and 4 days. When they looked on the system for them , said still BO'd, that same day they showed up. So it appears you will get them when they get there. I have put 1156miles on my truck since they told me they are bad. Everything is running like it had.
I have used stanadyne since the very first tank full from the dealer.Right off the show room floor.Does this make me immune from problems?Probably not.....because it probably doesn't matter if I would take each individual injector out nightly and put it to bed with milk and cookies
An inferior product as Mackin stated is an inferior product doomed to failure no matter what you do.
Owner's need to make bosch or ieGM step up.Its nice they have extended the warranty out for 01 and 02 and they should have,but my 04 has no better than the 01's.I enjoy the piece of mind of warranty but I don't need warranty I need a bullet proof iron clad injector that won't fail.So when my rig gets high on mileage I won't be sweating bullets.My rambling and .02 only.
Something also worth noting is that most fuels leaving the refineries have been treated with demulsifiers. Baker Petrolite is currently the nations largest supplier of these chemicals and they make the claim that 70% of the nations diesel sees their demulsifier. I'll probably drop a bug in one of their chemical engineer's ear when I return. My question being that will an emulsifier perform well in a distillate fuel that has already been treated with demulsifier. After over looking these results I haven't ruled out making the switch but right now I'm still on the fence.
This is how the numbers tally up so far.
Fuel system issues while using a Demulsifier = 6.1%
Emulsifier = 10.0%
No additive = 21.7%
Fuel injector issues overall avg. = 11.32%
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