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Old 10-19-2005, 05:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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reluctor wheel timing

i had the three little bolts come off the reluctor wheel and caused the truck to misfire then stall, it gave me the 0335 code, (cranshaft sensor malfunction)

now that a mechanic has fixed the reluctor wheel. we are having a very loopy idle(sounds like running on 3 cylinders) and will not run above idle, smokes bad as well on idle

here is a picture of it prior to install, and it looks to be correct, maybe a tech can give me a better answer to what is happening

it is now throwing the 0336 code(cranshaft timing is off for more than two seconds), not sure what could be wrong, thanks in advance

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P0335 or P0336 Crank Sensor Codes after Sensor Replacement #PI00779 - (Jan 23, 2003)
P0335 or P0336 Crank Sensor Codes after Sensor Replacement
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When servicing the vehicle with the VIN you entered, the following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the described symptoms.

Condition/Concern:
After replacing crankshaft position sensor, there may be a crank sensor code of P0335 or P0336.

Recommendation/Instructions:
After following the replacement procedure for crankshaft position sensor listed in SI, verify the crankshaft position sensor is fully seated. The sensor has two plastic wear tabs located on the end of the sensor to ensure proper air gap and must be fully seated to obtain proper clearance. The sensor may hang up just prior to being fully seated causing an incorrect gap and faulty sensor reading. Verify the sensor is fully seated to correct this condition.

Please follow this diagnosis process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed. If these steps do not resolve the condition, please contact GM TAC for further diagnostic assistance. This diagnostic approach was developed for the vehicle with the VIN you entered and should not be automatically be used for other vehicles with similar symptoms.

Models:
01 Chevrolet Silverado Truck C2,C3

01 Chevrolet Silverado Truck K2,K3

01 GMC Sierra Truck C2,C3

01 GMC Sierra Truck K2,K3

02 Chevrolet Silverado Truck C2,C3

02 Chevrolet Silverado Truck K2,K3

02 GMC Sierra Truck C2,C3

02 GMC Sierra Truck K2,K3

03 Chevrolet Silverado Truck C2,C3

03 Chevrolet Silverado Truck K2,K3

03 GMC Sierra Truck C2,C3

03 GMC Sierra Truck K2,K3

Chevrolet Avalanche

Chevrolet Suburban

GMC Yukon XL

Commercial C 4/5

Commercial C 6/7/8
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thanks max: here is another picture i took just before the reluctor wheel install

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nice truck and great power but not great on fuel
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Crankshaft Reluctor and Oil Pump Drive Gear Replacement
Removal Procedure




Remove the engine front cover. Refer to Engine Front Cover Replacement .
Remove the upper oil pan. Refer to Oil Pan Replacement - Upper .
Notice: Do not use an impact driver to remove or install the oil pump driven gear nut. Use of an impact driver may shear the oil pump drive gear pin in the crankshaft.

While holding the secondary oil pump shaft with a hex driver, remove the oil pump driven gear nut.
Remove the oil pump driven gear.



Remove the oil pump drive gear and crankshaft sensor reluctor assembly. Do not damage the crankshaft reluctor teeth.



Important: Do not remove the crankshaft reluctor from the oil pump drive gear unless replacing the crankshaft reluctor or the oil pump drive gear. The crankshaft reluctor is timed to the gear and once removed the correct timing is lost.


Remove the bolts retaining the crankshaft reluctor to oil pump drive gear.
Inspect the crankshaft reluctor for damaged or bent teeth.
Inspect the crankshaft reluctor for being bent or warped.
Inspect the oil pump drive gear for damaged or worn teeth.
Inspect the oil pump drive gear crankshaft pin for wear.
Inspect the groove for the crankshaft pin in the oil pump drive gear for wear.
Replace any parts that are damaged or worn.
Installation Procedure




Important: The crankshaft reluctor and the oil pump drive gear are timed at the factory. In order to re-establish proper timing, install knock pins in the oil pump drive gear if the crankshaft reluctor was removed from the oil pump drive gear. The knock pins are available through the parts department.


Install the knock pins in the oil pump drive gear to a height of 4.5-5.5 mm (0.177-0.217 in)



Notice: Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.

Install the crankshaft reluctor on the oil pump drive gear. Ensure the reluctor is aligned on the knock pins.
Install the crankshaft reluctor bolts.

Tighten
Tighten the crankshaft reluctor bolts to 8 Nm (71 lb in).





Important: Do not damage the teeth on the crankshaft reluctor assembly.


Install the oil pump drive gear and reluctor assembly to the crankshaft.



Install the oil pump driven gear.
Notice: Do not use an impact driver to remove or install the oil pump driven gear nut. Use of an impact driver may shear the oil pump drive gear pin in the crankshaft.

While holding the secondary oil pump shaft with a hex driver, install the oil pump driven gear nut.

Tighten
Tighten the oil pump driven gear nut to 100 Nm (74 lb ft).

Install the upper oil pan. Refer to Oil Pan Replacement - Upper .
Install the engine front cover. Refer to Engine Front Cover Replacement .
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Crankshaft Position (CKP) Sensor Replacement
Removal Procedure




Disconnect the negative battery cable. Refer to Battery Negative Cable Disconnect/Connect Procedure in Engine Electrical.
Remove the right wheelhouse panel. Refer to Wheelhouse Panel Replacement in Body Front End.
Disconnect the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor electrical connector.
Remove the CKP sensor bolt (2).
Remove the CKP sensor (1).
If necessary, remove the CKP sensor spacer bolts.
If necessary, remove the CKP sensor spacer.
Installation Procedure




If necessary, lubricate a NEW CKP spacer O-ring with clean engine oil.
If necessary, install the NEW O-ring to the CKP sensor spacer.
Important: The crankshaft position sensor spacers are machined with different timing positions. However, if the crankshaft position sensor spacer requires replacement, replace with a grade "B" spacer.


If necessary, install the CKP sensor spacer.
Notice: Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.

If necessary, install the CKP sensor spacer bolts.

Tighten
Tighten the bolt to 10 Nm (89 lb in).

Lubricate a NEW CKP sensor O-ring with clean engine oil.
Install the NEW O-ring to the CKP sensor (1).
Install the CKP sensor bolt (2).

Tighten
Tighten the bolt to 10 Nm (89 lb in).

Connect the CKP sensor electrical connector.
Connect the negative battery cable. Refer to Battery Negative Cable Disconnect/Connect Procedure in Engine Electrical.
Install the right wheelhouse panel. Refer to Wheelhouse Panel Replacement in Body Front End.
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thanks max once again

i will be printing this off and giving it to the mechanic to help resolve this frustrating problem, he feels all is put together corectly, but i am starting to second guess this, but never know, he replaced the sensor with no luck, only thing i can think of is having the reluctor wheel on backwards, will keep you informed
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egr deleated, PPE airbox mod, egr and boost stick from PPE, PPE dual fueler, PPE tuned, hightech turbo with a few of my own perks , BD drivers manifold, LB7 __________________________________________

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Maybe its the bolt that was left laying behind the wheel at the top in the first picture

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what they did today was remove the crankshaft sensor, then using a miror, they turned the crank till the gap on the reluctor wheel was at the sensor location, then using a second reluctor wheel and a second harmonic balencer with correct timing, then finding where the keyway slot is on the crankshaft, they set up the second set the same way, and yes it indicated that the reluctor wheel gap was at the sensor location indicating that it was installed correctly, (it took me a while to make sense of this too)

there last idea was to check the sensor install distance out once again

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nice truck and great power but not great on fuel
blown crank in two places after 44k
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Is this truck an Allison or 6spd?
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