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Old 03-04-2011, 07:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Plugging in the Block Heater

I always have my truck plugged in when it gets cold around here. I leave it plugged in until Spring. One night I forgot to plug it in because I was in a hurry to get inside. The next morning I could not keep the truck running to save my life. It would not even idle correctly, until I plugged it in and tried it again a couple hours later. Until I started plugging it in, I never had any trouble like that before. Any thoughts?
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How cold is cold, and how cold was it the morning it wouldn't run?
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That doesn't sound right...are your glow plugs working? I've started mine at -20 deg C and it goes over on the first shot. There's another post in this forum toughting the cold weather starting abilities of our trucks. The OP of that post said his went over at -37 deg I believe.

How cold is cold, do you run the summer diesel out of your truck before winter and then park it with a full tank, and are you running any additives for the winter?
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Thanks soo much for the responses, I live in Maryland, a little town just 10 minutes outside of Washington DC. It was very cold that day it happened, probably high teens. When I tried to start the truck, it was running soo rough, I couldn't take my foot off the pedal without it slugging down and almost quit running. The check engine light was on too. It was then I noticed I forgot to plug it in the night before. My son suggested I plug it in, and wait a while, which I did and it was fine. I have left it plugged in every night since that episode. I never had this happen before, and I bought the truck new in 2005. It has approximately 18,000 miles on it. You will probably think this is stupid, but, could the truck have gotten used to being plugged in all the time, then, when I forgot to plug it in that night, it was reacting to not being plugged in? Can a diesel motor do that? I hope my posts don't sound too stupid, I have a lot to learn, but what is Winter diesel and Summer diesel mentioned in Skleppy's response? Also, I didn't know I was supposed to put additives in the tank during the Winter.

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I lived in maryland for over 4 years , never had a starting problem in the winter. the block heater is a separate system over the electronics of the truck. It is just a heater that warms the antifreeze in the truck, thus warming the block and the oil some what for an easier start in the cold. Does your glow plug light on the dash light up when you turn the ignition on and do you wait until this light goes off before turning the key to start the truck. These trucks have the glow plugs the warm the cylinders and fuel, a intake air heater that warms the air entering the engine and a fuel heater that warms the fuel if the temperature gets below 46 degrees F. I would suggest checking the glow plugs to make sure they are working properly. Charlie
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I live in western Md. I also have a 2005 that I bought new It has 71500 on It and I only plug It In If I need to go out early, sometimes It sits for a week at a time It has started In the teens with only the glow plugs, I think you may have some bad glow plugs.
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Thanks soo much for the responses, I live in Maryland, a little town just 10 minutes outside of Washington DC. How long were your glow plugs lit up- as long as usual, shorter or longer? It was very cold that day it happened, probably high teens. When I tried to start the truck, it was running soo rough, I couldn't take my foot off the pedal without it slugging down and almost quit running. The check engine light was on too. Did you fuel up last at your "usual" station, or somewhere different? If it was your "usual", look at the pumps and see if it uses what is called a "winter blend", or if they are only marked #2 and #1. It was then I noticed I forgot to plug it in the night before. My son suggested I plug it in, and wait a while, which I did and it was fine. I have left it plugged in every night since that episode. It is unnecessary to plug it in "all night", etc. A few hours is all that's needed, and even in the 20's it's not needed to be plugged in. Most of the newer/updated cords actually won't even allow the block heater to kick on until around 0 I believe. Mine has started at -35F, with no heater plugged in and the glows were probably on around 7 seconds. I never had this happen before, and I bought the truck new in 2005. It has approximately 18,000 miles on it. You will probably think this is stupid, but, could the truck have gotten used to being plugged in all the time, then, when I forgot to plug it in that night, it was reacting to not being plugged in? Can a diesel motor do that? No, there is another issue. I hope my posts don't sound too stupid, Don't worry about it, we've all been there, done that. I have a lot to learn, but what is Winter diesel and Summer diesel mentioned in Skleppy's response? Also, I didn't know I was supposed to put additives in the tank during the Winter.

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First off, as an FYI it is ALWAYS a good idea to run additives, with the ULSD now, a lot of the lubrication is out of the fuel- additives help replace that. There are a few good products out there for this, Amsoil makes AMSOIL concentrate and cold flow performance Improver and will help you tremendously. A lot of people (as well as me in the past) have used Stanadyne and had great luck with that (Performance Formula- takes care of gelling, and lubrication). The thing that you have to worry about is staying AWAY from products with alcohol in them- it drys seals out. I have the feeling that you gelled/iced up. If you are in the teens and only had straight #2 in your tank, you may have gelled/iced. This will cause crap running conditions as well. For only getting to the low teens, you should be able to run straight #2 with an additive and be fine. I would recommend changing your fuel filter out, then getting an additive in it and topping off with fresh fuel. The reason I recommend changing your filter out anyway, is if it has gelled on you, the wax particles are still in there and it will "plug" easier on you the next go around. For those temps, there is no need to plug in- the Dmax will be just fine.
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You will probably think this is stupid, but, could the truck have gotten used to being plugged in all the time, then, when I forgot to plug it in that night, it was reacting to not being plugged in? Can a diesel motor do that?
absolutely true !
I am totally convinced my truck took on the personality of my ex wife!

Every time something goes wrong all I hear in my head is "YOUR GONNA PAY DEARLY FOR THAT ONE MISTER! It might as well be printed in the dashboard DIC And noooo ...nothing i'm gonna do to that truck is gonna be cheap either... its gonna cost me one leg, a right nut and four toes too! Make it do something it doesn't wanna do and it will let you know exactly how it feels! Like its having its own little temper tantrums! Sound familiar!

Some days i wonder who really is in control behind that wheel

Getting back on topic I would tend to agree that fuel quality is a problem ... i dont know what happens in the US for fuel but we have some really premium fuel blends up here in northern canada for winter fuels and none of us seems to get this gelling problem.
You do happen to see on very cold days some of the 18 wheelers dead on the hiway knowing full well they filled up down south before coming up

Additives are good ....very good... as explained for other reasons besides gelling

Cold starts.... when its that cold expect it too rough rough for a bit ... i thinks it fairly normal for a few minutes then let it kick in to high idle on its own. Expect a ton of smoke too.... when the engine is that cold it cant burn any fuel properly till it warms up

Just my two cents worth... i think you are worrying for nothing
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You also mentioned that it had a check engine light on...did you scan it to see what codes came up?
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^^^^I agree, see what code you have. You shouldn't need to plug in at all if the temps are above 0*F. It's not even cold yet at 18*
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