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Old 10-16-2012, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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-45C / Starting / heat / No plug-ins

The above is what is going to happen here soon in the North of Alberta. Where I am, in the middle of butt F*** Alberta, we do not have the luxury of electrical 115V plug ins to allow my block heater to do its work.

I am considering a Pro-Heat system that utilizes diesel fuel to heat up the coolant and circulate said coolant throughout the engine block.

For fuel, I guess the extra 1/2" half cplg (now plugged) I installed in my slip tank will now come in handy as the source of supply fuel.

What i would like to know is this: I have a coolant bypass installed as per the DIY on this forum....could I tie into that for the two coolant lines coming from the heater such that the whole engine block would get heated up.??


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Old 10-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well ... 2 days later and research indicates that the Webasto TSL-17 is the unit to go with. Typically ~ 1250.00 CAD delivered..can be self installed as I plan to do. This unit will be hugely cheaper to run than plugging it in electrically. Fuel usage is minimal.

I have attached the tech specs for this unit. Install (if it arrives in time), during my days off: Oct 25-Nov 04. Just in time for the winter fun n games to start. Winter pipeline work on a SAGD Project in North Eastern Alberta.

FYI: (SAGD= Steam Assisted Gravity Drainage - a method for pulling "bitumen" (tar sands oil) out of the ground - they inject steam into a drilled well 3-400 meters down - steam loosens/dilutes the bitumen and pushes it back up to the pad (8-10 wells) - then into the pipeline we build to the plant - where they remove water, add diluent and off to market it goes. No pollution whatsoever. Pretty kewl tech. Plant is at 37,000 bbl/day projected by 2020 to 250,000 bbl/day). The water used for steam is also from a drilled well - brackish..its treated and salts removed and then used for steam. 92% recalimed and reused.

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Old 10-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I had read a thread a few days ago in another forum where a guy was considering using a small generator to run his block heater, but at negative 45C/49F!!!.

You may have found the best solution, even though it's costly.
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd much rather send my money to Canada for their oil than to the terrorists in the Mideast.We should make Canada the 51st State.


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Old 10-18-2012, 12:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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..We should make Canada the 51st State...
...hmm, that kinda talk is not taken lightly..I do recall last time we disagreed (1812) we burned down your presidential residence.? Had to paint it white I understand..? LOL

...but we will gladly give you Quebec...! Please (whining). Most of us Anglos are quite ready to boot their ignorant and entitled (_i_)'s right out of the country ... today!

As for running a gen set to power an electrical block heater...nahh, too much fuel, have to carry a 2500CAD item with a "steal me" sign on it in the bed, and in the end get maybe 40F engine temps when its -45C outside...I looked at an Espar Hydronic too...bit more money and wasn't that sold on the configuration of the inlets/outlets..same idea though.

Bought a TSL-17 tonight on e-bay BNIB from Quebec no less...hope he isn't a member here.!! LOL

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Old 10-21-2012, 10:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Looking forward to seeing the install.....have a Webasto sitting in the shop to install on my LBZ.
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Given its small overall size, I think it will fit between the outer cooler and the grill..might have to make a mounting bracket for it..but that should be it. Just wish the weather would hold out for a bit longer...its snowing here with -3C and 40km winds from the N. West..nasty stuff. Slowly freezin up..wish it would hurry..that way maybe I can get the truck washed and it will stay that way for a few months...

likely a 1/4" of hard dried mud EVERYWhere..

I'll get some pics up when I get on to it..likely next week. Still waiting for it to arrive at my home which is 765km south of me.

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One of our big mobile dark rooms is a top kick 5500 with about an 18ft dark room on the back. I'm pretty sure it's got an espar, not sure which model, but with 2 bus heaters in the dark room in -40 that thing is a sauna! Starting the truck in the mornings as well requires no glow plugs and the temp gauge is about half way up, so instant heat!! With that said though, after 2 years it shit the bed and has unsuccessfully been fixed several times. Might need to be replaced.

As far as reliability goes, I have a couple uncles that truck, and they have both had lots of issues with different types of diesel heaters. I don't believe either of them run them anymore just because of that. In our business, what else do you do though? They are awesome when they work, so let us know how it works on your truck.
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thanx Moe..I will. I am going to install it tomorrow. I noticed in the package this: they give you a hard plastic 1/4' line for fuel and to tie into the 1/8" barbed fittings you're supposed to use this flexible 3" long pce of rubber hose that fits over the plastic tubing as an adapter..one has to do this for some 8 joints all told. ? Stupid. I went and bought 15 ft of flexible 1/8" ID fuel line hose and will use that instead. 1 clamp on the nit 1 ea on either side of the fuel pump and the 4th at my spot from the slip tank I plan on using. The less places for potential leaks etc, the better I figure.

I've thought of adding a couple of 6V Trojan 235's True Deep cycle batts and using them to power an electric coolant heater..if only for as long as it takes to allow the truck to start....have to figure the numbers, but that might be a possible solution too...as long as the Trojans stay insulated..? some 450 amp hours on them..also depends on what an electric heater would draw for wattage I guess....and then comes the need for the second alternator I suppose too..! to charge the Trojans. Damn...

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Piper. It took me about 6 hours all told to get the unit installed. I will post some pics up tomorrow some time.

To have access to where i wanted to install, I removed both headlamps, corner lamps and the grill.

The unit sits on the lower light weight angle bracket that ataches to the lower outer rad support between the outer cooler and the grill. I used only 1 of the supplied studs and drilled a hole into the aluminum square tubing to attach. Underneath the unit I "glued" using "Goop" a 6" long by 1" wide ~3/8" thick pce of rubber. That was my main attachment point. I also strapped using two large gear clamps hooked together around the lower angle "iron" and around the back side of the unit. To prevent any damage to the unit I also slipped a 12" strip of same thickness rubber to act as a vibration dampner and it held the gear clamp nice.

I had gone and bought 15 ft of 3/4" heater hose. With the supplied copper reducers, I cut into the Heater hose at the firewall and inserted 1 ea into the two cut ends. I then routed the hose around the passenger side and in through where the pass headlamp goes. There is a pce of black plastic that is about 4" wide and 6-8 deep that sticks out to the right of the pass headlamp area and seemingly in the way...I simply drilled a couple of 1.25" holes and slipped the hose through them to gain nice unrestricted access to the heater unit. The heater pump connection goes to the hose that comes from the Cabin...that is the supply side to said pump. You will notice that the pump connection comes out of the heater at a rther bad angle and if you simply try to attach the hose to it you will end up crimping it and restrict suppl,y to the heater. It was a Sunday and I had to McGyver it by going to Home Depot - bought a 3/4" copper Street Elbow and a pce of 3/4" pipe. I soldered a 2" pce into the larger end of the elbow - cooled it off and then sanded both 3/4" ends to provide good surface area and inserted one end into the main hose, then cut a 3" pce of hose to fit on to the inlet of the pump with the other end going to the elbow. Worked like a charm and no restrictions in the hose.

For the fuel line, I didnt like the hard plastic line they provided and bought about 16' of 1/8" flexible rubber fuel line..doing so reduced the amount of little connections they expect you to do. If you have the kit, you'll know what I mean.

The fuel pump I installed on the outside of the drivers rail bout half way between tires using an existing bolt and nut to attach the large fuel pump clamp. Where the electrical connector goes is the flow direction of the fuel. So the Connector goes to the front of the truck. I did not bleed the line but should have done so. (its why mine did not fire right away-air lock.) To do so, just disconnect the fuel line from the heater unit and turn the unit on with either the switch or the timer module untill you get fuel.

(I may have to re-set the system: To do so, turn on the unit - remove the fuse from the big black connector on the harness and wait 5 min. shut the unit off and then re-insert the fuse. Then fire it up..I'm told by my friend at Eskimo Refigeration in Calgary that is likely the issue if I had tried to fire it up a couple of times..the unit goes into a "dormant stage" unitl it is re-set.)

As I noted I did not have to drop my tank to put the stainless U shaped fuel supply line in...simply tapped into my slip tank and ran it from there. (am damned glad I put that extra coupling there when I built the tank..!!).

As for the Exhaust tubing, I simply routed it and attached using some mnetal strapping to my stell bumper. the air inlet was tie wrapped up and out of the way of pretty much anything ...might added some fine mesh to it to keep curious bugs out of there during summer time.

Seeing as I am at work again in the far north and of course the flippin mud was back due to a bit of a warm spell...it is now freezing up again and hopefully it will stay that way till spring. As such I',m taking off early driving to Conklin to get a good wash and pay for some time in the wash bay to bleed my fuel line and fire this puppy up. They are calling for -20C by Sat night...time for it to do its job for me.! and it aint getting any warmer till spring...

I'll see about taking some pics of the install when I am there.

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