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Old 08-14-2008, 12:23 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Amsoil Torqu Drive is also TES-295. I get it for $33 a gallon thru my commercial account. Going to change out my Trans Synd tomorrow.....Its got around 75,000 miles on it, figured its about due.
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:10 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Here are the TES 295 Allison approved fluids. Amsoil Torque Drive is not one of them — though it may be a fine product, its not Allison approved.

AN-011001 Castrol Heavy Duty Lubricants TranSynd
AN-031002 BP Autran Syn 295
AN-031003 Cognis Corporation Emgard 2805
AN-031004 International Truck & Engine Company Fleetrite Synthetic ATF
AN-051005 ExxonMobil Lubricants and Petroleum Specialties Company Mobil Delvac Synthetic ATF
AN-071006 John Deere & Company HD SynTran
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:38 AM   #53 (permalink)
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AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ is recommended as a direct replacement for TranSynd® Synthetic ATF in heavy duty, on and off highway automatic transmissions manufactured by Allison,® General Motors,® Ford,® Voith® and ZF® or wherever the standards TES-295, C-4, Dexron® III, Mercon,® Voith G-1363 or TE-ML 14C are specified. Examples of operations that benefit from using AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ include municipal or transit buses, motor coaches, garbage haulers, motor homes, delivery vans, emergency vehicles, school buses, dump trucks, utility vehicles, cement trucks, line haul trucks and tow trucks.

Where extended drain intervals are not specified by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM), it is recommended that AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ be evaluated with oil analysis at standard OEM drain intervals or more frequently to establish proper drain interval. Where extended drain intervals are recommended by the OEM, follow that recommendation. This includes the recommendations set by Allison® in document #1099F for TES-295 fluids.
AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ Q&A
PHYSICAL DATA
AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ Synthetic Transmission Fluid (ATD)
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Castrol/Allison Transynd® Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Physical Data
Torque-Drive™ TranSynd®
Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)
7.41 7.36
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445)
37.14 37.29
Brookfield Viscosity @ -40°C (cP)
8411 8400
Density @ 60°F (lb/gal)
7.038 7.047
Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 92)
230 (446) 232 (450)
Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D 97)
-55 (-67) -55 (-67)
Four Ball Wear Test
(ASTM D-4172B: 40 kg, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr) mm
0.45 0.45
Copper Corrosion (150°C, 3 hr)
1B 1B
Spectrographic Analysis

Boron (ppm)
133 136
Calcium (ppm)
28 29
Phosphorous (ppm)
230 235
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Looks like their chemical makeup is almost identical to Trans Synd. Thats why I am using it....and its cheaper.
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At $33/gal., Torque-Drive is the same as what Transynd and Mobil Delvac ATF is sold for in this area.
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AMSOIL claims that Torque drive is reverse engineered and identical to Transynd. It however is not a formally TES-295 certified fluid as ENAHS stated above. it probably has something to do with the cost associated with "certification" and AMSOIL not wanting to shell it out for formal certification. I also agree with ENAHS that I can get the Transynd or Mobil DELVAC SYN ATF for the same $/gal. All things equal, I would use one that is officially TES-295 certified. However, many on this site swear by Amsoil and I'm sure it would be fine.

Acutally, I don't run either now because unless you tow very heavy and regularly, or are in a service related function (tow truck, ambulance, taxi, delivery truck, etc.) I think it is a waste of money.
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AMSOIL Torque-Drive™ is recommended as a direct replacement for TranSynd® Synthetic ATF in heavy duty, on and off highway automatic transmissions manufactured by Allison,® General Motors,® Ford,® Voith® and ZF® or wherever the standards TES-295, C-4, Dexron® III, Mercon,® Voith G-1363 or TE-ML 14C are specified. <SNIP>
That's a funny quote. Who 'recommends' Torque-Drive? Amsoil, of course, seeing as how they make and sell it. Allison made your transmission and doesn't make oil. They defined a standard by which to determine what oils should be used to make the transmission operate as designed. There are half a dozen TES-295 certified oils available. Torque-Drive is NOT one of them. Torque-Drive isn't even cheaper than the certified fluids.

Why would one pay the same or more for a fluid that 1) does NOT meet the standard for extended drain intervals / severe duty, and 2) eliminates any chance of you getting a transmission problem covered under warranty.

If you have an LMM, you should be running either a Dex VI or a TES295 fluid. Period. End of story. If you want extended drain intervals or run in especially cold weather, run a TES295 fluid. If you have an earlier truck, you have to be aware of the serial number cutoffs jfarr has repeatedly pointed out as far as Dex 3 or Dex VI, OR use a TES295 fluid. Again, Torque-Drive is not TES295.

The myopic, 'Amsoil said it is as good as TES295, therefore it must be,' is just weird. What advantage is there to using a fluid that costs at least as much as something you KNOW is correct, but lacks the stamp of approval required for warranty?

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Look guys...I am not selling Amsoil or even trying to promote it. The reason I bought it was the fact that I can get it for $33 a gallon. There is not an Allison dealer close to my present location. And not everyone can buy Transyd for the same price. I recall Mike L saying that he could not get it in his area for less than $43 a gallon.

My trans warranty has long since passed and since it is identical to what I have been running, Transynd, I am going to put it in my truck.

Mike L built my transmission and said it was a good oil to use....as is a bunch of other brands too.

Its just like the "which motor oil is best" threads that are on the forum. Lots of choices...use what ever rubs your Budda.

Personally, I am comfortable with my choice and I ordered Amsoil for ALL the fluids in my rig. One stop shopping, like Wal-Mart. And delivered to my door in 24 hours.
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That's a funny quote. Who 'recommends' Torque-Drive? Amsoil, of course, seeing as how they make and sell it. Allison made your transmission and doesn't make oil. They defined a standard by which to determine what oils should be used to make the transmission operate as designed. There are half a dozen TES-295 certified oils available. Torque-Drive is NOT one of them. Torque-Drive isn't even cheaper than the certified fluids.

Why would one pay the same or more for a fluid that 1) does NOT meet the standard for extended drain intervals / severe duty, and 2) eliminates any chance of you getting a transmission problem covered under warranty.

If you have an LMM, you should be running either a Dex VI or a TES295 fluid. Period. End of story. If you want extended drain intervals or run in especially cold weather, run a TES295 fluid. If you have an earlier truck, you have to be aware of the serial number cutoffs jfarr has repeatedly pointed out as far as Dex 3 or Dex VI, OR use a TES295 fluid. Again, Torque-Drive is not TES295.

The myopic, 'Amsoil said it is as good as TES295, therefore it must be,' is just weird. What advantage is there to using a fluid that costs at least as much as something you KNOW is correct, but lacks the stamp of approval required for warranty?

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To get a TES 295 certificate from Allison is like a 5 year test program that costs about 250,000 and all the fluid you can supply. By the time you get approved your fluid will probably be outdated.
I think Amsoil is probably better than Castrol. Why doesn't castrol sell this fluid to any other source than Allison?
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As for the flushing do or don't. I just did the flush on mine last week. Flushed out the dexron with transynd. Wasn't a bad job at all. If you do 2 liters at a time like the instructions noted, it is nearly impossible to run the pump dry. I also changed my internal filter and replaced my magnet on the spin on, that must have been thrown away by the previous owner. I have actually noticed a difference in shifting too. Not sure if the old just wasn't doing its job because of age or transynd is just really better but it shifts smoother into 2nd and 3rd than it used too. I bought 5 gals on ebay for 142 shipped.
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