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Old 01-22-2008, 10:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What states are requiring Federal or DOT Inspections for 1 ton trucks

been hearing of this from a fer new england states, but looks like it is reaching out to other states.

My father in law just told me that a friend of his just got pulled over and cited for pulling cows with a 1 ton dodge pickup because he had no federal dot sticker

my father in law also has a 1 ton truck and is getting worried about what he needs to do, the guy that go the ticket is still trying to figure out what to do, he paid the ticket but cannot figure out where or how to get certified in this state...noone seems to know


btw, this is oklahoma
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Old 01-23-2008, 05:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Most states if it has commercial tags on it.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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In California pickups cant go through the scales anyway. So pulling a trailer with animals would not count either. California pickup trucks have commercial plates too, but up to 1 ton are not subject to commercial laws when towing.
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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IN IL w/D or higher plates you must have it safety tested.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'll check the FMCSA book but since the insp is Federal and not state it goes by Fed laws. I'm pretty sure it is any vehicle single or combination 16,000# or above used commercially. States may make their own rules but they can't change a federal one. So I guess bottom line is even a 3/4 ton pulling a heavy enough trailer would need a Fed sticker.
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Old 01-24-2008, 09:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here is what I found on the FMSCA site. If ANY vehicle, single or combination used for business/ commerce and weighs 10,001# or greater it is considered a commercial motor vehicle. Section 396.17 says (this is awfully muddy IMO) if the state the CMV is registered and domiciled in has an annual inspection program that meets or exceed FMSCA requirements then no a FED DOT annual insp is not required. If this is the case for you then all states and Canada must recognize your state insp as a FED DOT insp. If your state does not meet this then yes you need the FED sticker.
To see for yourself go to FMSCA then section 396.17 then on the right is a toolbar, click on interpretation and it puts in in a more understandable way.
The problem I find with this is I can't find any FMSCA listing of what states they accept and what they don't.

Don't forget Stompin that if he is over that 10,001# he needs a USDOT# too.

If anyone else finds otherwise feel free to correct me. I was going blind reading all the damn lawerese
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:26 AM   #7 (permalink)
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There is no "federal DOT". Most states adopt (in part or in whole) the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration standards and rules. Those standards clearly only govern "commercial" use, defined as a vehicle "used in commerce" or in "furtherance of a business enterprise".
Many states have ag and farm-use exemptions from some of the requirements.
Some states (and within the various state statutes, differ) define "commercial use" differently. These can often be found in the vehicle registration, vehicle insurance and the rules-of-the-road statutes in each state.
On the roadside, if one is able to produce "proof" of ownership of the truck, the trailer and the load, and a "reasonable" person would conclude the "use" is private, not for hire, not in commerce, (backed up perhaps by how the vehicles are tagged and insured), most DOT officers would not issue a violation.
My use is strictly private, not-for-hire, non-commercial. My truck tags and trailer tags and insurance reflect this, and I have proof of ownership of any load. My truck is clearly marked, as well. I cross all scales as required, stop at inspection stations when required, and have never had any issue, and I am driving a 45' flatbed hooked to a S/A Freightliner with a sleeper (so I sue do LOOK commercial). I have a CDL-A, so that is not an issue, either, and my vehicles are correctly tagged for weight.
I would suggest that the victim in the initial post check with their state DOT and hopefully gain some clarification. But if truly non-commercial, no decals, inspections etc. are required to my knowledge, not on any Federal level, and not in the State of Florida.
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Old 01-25-2008, 09:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bonshawman, you sound knowledgeable on this and maybe in Florida you are in a state that does not require additional inspections. Here in Pa, Nj, and De almost all trucks runa FHWSA DOT inspection sticker on the cab and the trailer in additon to the state insp. stickers. I agree with all the other things you said and must admit I've never run into a Fed DOT cop personally but I have seen them on I-80 usually on Holiday weekends yanking trucks over. Their vans are marked FMSCA motor carrier enforcement. They get the state police to assist naturally.

I guess what Stompins FIL has to do is make sure he is 100% or make sure his loads and regestration will look like a personal deal if he is in fact for hire.
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Just got in a pickle not long ago in same situation. Turns out if you have a weighted tag, and you have cargo valued at a certain $ amount. and weight DOT requires like 750,000 policy and all kinds of crazy limits. Then the weight factor. If he is pullin for his self regs are not the same as if he is a haul co. and makes money but the tag must be set up for how much Max weight rig and cargo and trailer are hauling. I think it's going across the board state wise (fed. mandated). He is not required to get a DOT number until over 15,000 I think but half the time these jokers don't even know they have a book and if they find a way to write the ticket they start writtin! I would go down to the Vehicle Enforcement Station/State Patrol/ect.. and get the commercial book/guide and read the regs.
They are big fines and I thank good drive a Lowboy for a co. and have not had to pay with my money! LOL
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DOT number and all federal reugulations apply when at 10,001 GVWR and crossing state lines if engaged in commerce. Trust me I know. You can also read below.

General applicability
The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs) apply to all employers, employees, and commercial motor vehicles transporting property or passengers in interstate commerce.

Commercial Motor Vehicle: Any self-propelled or towed motor vehicle used on a highway in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle:

Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 4,536 kg (10,001 pounds) or more, whichever is greater; or
Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
Is used in transporting a quantity of hazardous material requiring placarding.


Exceptions to general applicability
Transportation provided by Federal, State, and local governments are exempt from
the FMCSRs. Occasional transportation of personal property by individuals for non-
commercial purposes, school bus operations, and transportation of human corpses, or
sick and injured people are also exempt.

Transportation provided by commercial motor vehicles transporting between 9 and 15 passengers (including the driver) not for direct compensation is exempt from most of the FMCSRs, provided the vehicle does not otherwise meet the definition of a commercial motor vehicle. Motor carriers operating such vehicles are required to file the Motor Carrier Identification Report (Form MCS-150), maintain an accident register, and mark their vehicles with the motor carrier identification number

In most states if the GVWR of the truck or combination exceeds 26,000 LBS GVWR then the fed regs. apply if the truck is engaged in commerce.
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