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Old 03-30-2012, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Water/Meth injectionon a LML??

Wanted to hear from LML owners that have installed water/meth injection on there trucks. Is any of the claims online true? Ive seen claims for stage #3 of 75-100 HP gains, 1-3 MPG increase, 300*F lower EGT. I would like to keep my drivetrain warranty. These claims seem like B.S. to me. Why would anyone buy a programmer lose there warranty, black smoke everywhere like a rebelling teenager, Cut all the exhaust out $$, if you could have numbers like that from a water / meth system? I would like to "wake up" the truck a bit. More interested in Towing Power than 4 wheel Smokeshows. My other Duramaxes have all had programers on them and drove very nice. Im leaning towards just going for it and deleting everything and getting a programmer for this one too if the water/meth injection is all B.S.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Really??? Not one person has anything to say good or bad about the water/meth injection kits. Ok how about any year Duramax Diesel( not just LML ). --- Propane Injection???? I'm interested in doing something to the truck that wont leave a "signature" for GM to decline my powertrain warranty.
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Old 03-31-2012, 08:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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theres a reason why propane has come and gone, it hurts engines.

yes, u can still find propane kits, but they're not as prevalent as they were back in 02-03 (the hay day of bully dog and trucks tv lol)
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Really??? Not one person has anything to say good or bad about the water/meth injection kits. Ok how about any year Duramax Diesel( not just LML ). --- Propane Injection???? I'm interested in doing something to the truck that wont leave a "signature" for GM to decline my powertrain warranty.
I installed mine 3 weeks ago, it works. I just don't have very good number jet to compare since I seldom run the same route, weight, or trailer. I have seen impressive gains, but the tank is way too small for me. Tomorrow I am installing an extra tank, it looks like I will need about 35 Gal to stay in tune with the fuel capacity I have (110 Gal).
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow 3:1 ratio Diesel to Water/Meth. I think the kit I was looking at was the "big" 7 gal tank. lol At 3:1 thats only about 21 Gal. of diesel or 3/4 of a tank of fuel and I would be out of water/meth. I guess towing would consume more and idling around town or easy driving would consume much less and mabey even none at all.
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Wow 3:1 ratio Diesel to Water/Meth. I think the kit I was looking at was the "big" 7 gal tank. lol At 3:1 thats only about 21 Gal. of diesel or 3/4 of a tank of fuel and I would be out of water/meth. I guess towing would consume more and idling around town or easy driving would consume much less and mabey even none at all.
Thanks.
I still have to work on the settings. First of all I did not install the egt probe yet as I prefer not to make any drastic changes before the warranty is almost gone. The instructions say the economy mode is only based on boost psi. To start I has it set to start too early, but towing raises boost and therefore fluid use. I tow 80% of the time so my use would be heigher then most. One big change was that in rolling terrain it stays at the rpm's and gear, doesn't kick down as much.
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Are we both talking about the Snow performance Diesel TOW-MAX kit or do you have a different kit?
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Are we both talking about the Snow performance Diesel TOW-MAX kit or do you have a different kit?
I got the stage 3 kit, economy and tow option.
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Hey guys. I have installed dozens of the Snow systems from the stage 2 and 3 series and now the tow max kits. All 3 of my trucks have the systems on them. I have dynoed with around 50-60rwhp results from my trucks and many customers cummins/dmax trucks. The 2.5 gallon reservoir is the most common source I install b/c of the space availability. I can say when towing, the truck will easily use the 2.5 gallons in less than 100 miles. Depends on nozzle choice and settings. If you set the cruise control, you can watch the accelerator back off proportionatly from the added power when the water injects. Theres the proof that the fuel is being impacted right there in the form of less throttle. I usually use straight water unless we are competing. The addition of 50% meth makes a huge difference.
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Hey guys. I have installed dozens of the Snow systems from the stage 2 and 3 series and now the tow max kits. All 3 of my trucks have the systems on them. I have dynoed with around 50-60rwhp results from my trucks and many customers cummins/dmax trucks. The 2.5 gallon reservoir is the most common source I install b/c of the space availability. I can say when towing, the truck will easily use the 2.5 gallons in less than 100 miles. Depends on nozzle choice and settings. If you set the cruise control, you can watch the accelerator back off proportionatly from the added power when the water injects. Theres the proof that the fuel is being impacted right there in the form of less throttle. I usually use straight water unless we are competing. The addition of 50% meth makes a huge difference.

Which kit would you recommend for most bang for buck. I looking for max HP/ Torque , for towing. And of course lower EGT, and better MPG. Want to feel it on the skinny pedal more than anything else.
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